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EX-Browns OL coach Bob Wylie rips Freddie Kitchens, saying QB coach Ken Zampese did all the coaching - cleveland.com
https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2019/08...e-coaching.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio — Former Browns offensive line coach Bob Wylie had some harsh words for the Browns organization in a radio interview Saturday.

For starters, he said he was surprised when Freddie Kitchens was hired as head coach considering quarterbacks coach Kenny Zampese was the mastermind behind the Browns’ explosive offense in the final eight weeks of the season.

“Baker (Mayfield) likes Freddie,’’ Wylie said on The Zach Gelb Show on CBS Sports Radio. “There’s a good relationship there even though (former Browns QB coach) Kenny Zampese did all the coaching there. Baker likes Freddie, so that had to (factor) into the decision.’’

Wylie, who was fired after the season along with the most of the assistants hired by Hue Jackson, charged that interim coach Gregg Williams didn’t get the head coaching job because Dorsey didn’t want him.

“My own personal feeling is Gregg was too strong a candidate for the seat,’’ Wylie said on The Zach Gelb Show on CBS Sports Radio. “I don’t think Dorsey wanted to go head-to-head with Williams like he had to do with Andy Reid in Kansas City, so he kind of filtered Gregg out of the picture.’’

Wylie, who left the Browns in late December because of a serious ankle and knee injury, said he heard about his firing from his daughter.

“My daughter called me and said, ‘Hey, dad, you just got fired today,’’ Wylie said. “That’s the first time I head about it.’’

Sounds like he had loyalty to the guys who were let go ... everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I don’t think he should be public about it.

No doubt Baker and Freddie have a good relationship. As to who coached how much? I don’t know any of that info of course

Never thought I would read this.

No different than with Hue.. sometimes its best to just keep quiet.

Bob Wylie is Hue’s guy. Zampese is Hue’s guy. All three are currently unemployed.

If the things Wylie says are true then there is cause to be concerned. You don’t get TV and radio appearances saying what everyone already knows.

Doesn't surprise me at all. I PMed w/a couple of guys and gave my thoughts on how I thought some of this went down w/both coaches and players who are no longer here. I an also not surprised by some of the reactions on here.

I'll just say that Wylie is not a "cookie-cutter" OL coach. LOL

I’ll trust Dorsey’s opinion of Kitchens over Wylie.

What makes me question the veracity of his statements is that I have seen Zampese be the OC for multiple teams and really saw nothing but band, vanilla, uninspired play calling.

If Wylie is to be believed, and I don't know if he is or not, then Dorsey picked the coach that he can control the most. That seems like a bad thing but it might also mean that the GM and coach actually get along for once which would be a nice change.

Zampese got fired midseason by the Bengals in 2017. He is currently unemployed after taking a job with the AAF.

Very good point.

If this were true, we would have heard it first from a sports reporter in Denver!

Just kidding.

I am sure there are some sour grapes here, but I am also sure that there are some elements of this that are true.

The extent of either is something that only the insiders know.

I am just speculating and I have zero proof at all.

I think the part about is daughter was true.

I think that Freddie was involved in the offense more than Bob is saying. I will say that perhaps Zampese helped out a lot, but I think Freddie put his stamp on things.

I think the relationship between Freddie and Baker is very, very true. That isn't a bad thing. I do think Baker's influence cost some coaches and players their jobs.

I think the Williams things is.......hmmmm.......not sure on that one at all.

Sounds a lot like sour grapes... if we win then I don't care what people say... if we lose then I'll get concerned..

J/c

I’m not sure if he’s accurate or not, but it makes sense. Not that I think it’s a BAD thing if Dorsey and Freddie are tight or it was a set up.

j/c

If the magic were coming from Zampeze, wouldn't we have heard about that last year while it was happening? The talk from the players and FO was all about Freddie. I don't recall anyone giving credit to Zampeze.

What's a Bob Wylie????

If Zampese was such a great coach how is it that when Hue and Todd Haley got fired that Freddie, who was the RB Coach, was named the interim OC and not Zampese who was the QB coach at the time and had prior OC experience.

MKC is such a hack. Of course, there's a possibility it all could be true. But Wylie gave the interview on Saturday. Same day she takes the controversial sound bites and writes an article. No research, no trying to get the other side of the story. She runs with the word of a guy who wasn't retained and may have an axe to grind.

For anyone that watches or listens to pressers, focus on MKC's questions. They are meant to get controversial sound bites. I can't stand her.

Is it news?

If so, then she, as a reporter, should report it.

Beat writers can't just report the good, and avoid the controversial .... even when it is as ridiculous as this appears. It's still news.

Sorry man. Sports writers aren't investigative reporters. The guy says it on a radio show and she reports what was said for those of us who didn't hear on the radio or see it on TV.

Not only did Hue lose the players, he had a divided coaching staff. Wiley is entitled to his view, and there is probably truth in his statements. This isn't a case where everything is truth on one side of the coin and untruth on the other.

I think his comments about Dorsey and Williams are probably true. Why wouldn't they have merit? If any of us went to hire someone, we would all pick someone we thought we could work with. Why would you not? That isn't a knock on Dorsey or Williams. Dorsey hired the person he thought would be the best fit for the team.

J/c

It’s kind of interesting that Hue, Haley, Wylie, Zampese don’t have jobs right now (unless I’m wrong)

Everything we heard up to this point is that it was Freddie that asked what plays Baker was most comfortable running; and that he was responsible for the creativity that was introduced in the offense. I don’t recall Baker ever mention Zampese in conjunction with his improved play the last eight games. For sure the o-line play greatly improved after the coaching change.

Fired coaches don’t help their prospects by dissing their former employers.And yeah, MKC does a disservice to all female reporters by constantly bringing the soap opera angles.

Agreed. Sounds like a case of sour grapes to me. I hope that's all it is. I would think JD knows more about how to run the team than some unemployed former coaches that were loyal to the previous head coaches. There has been a lot of positivity and optimism surrounding our Browns since last season ended and I hope it continues but as a Browns fan you can't help always looking over your shoulder waiting for the other shoe to drop. Hope it doesn't happen.

Is it?

Is it too much to ask to get something of substance from her? Her sole job seems to be to regurgitate things that will incite or be perceived as controversial. If that's what her job description is, maybe I'm off the mark with my comments.

Grossi does the same thing but on a smaller scale. He will actually write something of substance once in a while.

Players and other media know this and see this about Cleveland media and these two in particular. Baker openly mocks Grossi during pressers (I don't like it when he does that...not saying I agree with Bakers behavior).

It's something I've noticed from these two. Again, maybe that's their job and I'm the one who's got it wrong.

You missed the gist of my post.

Gregg Williams NEVER had a shot at the job ... EVER ... he got a courtesy interview like 30 seconds after the season ended ...

And it wasn’t GW vs FK ... there were another at least 3 or 4 interviewed ...

And here’s two things that clearly point to Bob acting out like a spurned child ...

- Zampese was the one that did all the coaching ... where was all that genius from Zampase at every other stop in his NFL career ... i was THRILLED to have him as the 3rd brain behind Hue and Haley ... how was i too know Hue somehow thought distancing himself from his own O was a smart thing to do ... BUT none of us have ever heard of Kenny being this great O mind and coach .. and if he’s such a great teacher and coach you’d figure he’d of been a hot butt commodity ,,, THAT MAKES NO SENSE ... 0 + 0 = 93 according to Bob’s math ...

- KJ didn’t want to get into a power struggle with GW ... ... thats absurd on a few levels .. 1st KJ has hit not one but two grand slams in his first draft and FA period that fueled last year’s turnaround and that pales in comparison to the IMMEDIATE IMPACT with the players we brought in this year .. sorry bobbie but thats BS at its best unless u think GW was going to turn into Billicheck overnight ...

In this case 0 + 0 = 9,891 .. its way off .. *L* ..

And u know Peen ... it would really SUCK IF the reason KJ hired Freddie was solely because they got along and Freddie would be his puppet ..

This is clearly a disgruntled ex IMO ...

PS. He don’t wear brown and orange no more ... u know the rest ..

I never said anything like that. I am just saying why would he hire somebody he might have a hard time dealing with?

Of course Freddie had to check off the boxes.

Sorry, i wasn’t clear enough ...

That was just a general comment not meant to insinuate thats what u said in your post ..

Sorry bro .. i can see how u thought that was directed at u .. oooops ..

The ONLY one saying this is a guy that's pizzed that he got fired? GMAB.

J/c

Other than the two internal candidates, who else did we seriously consider?

We did 2nd interviews with two others not named Freddie i believe ...

The dude from Minni, their OC now i think was one of them ..

Can’t remember the 2nd one ... if there was a 2nd one .. *L* ...

Other than with some on here and in the press GW was never a serious option .. EVER ...

That was 100% a courtesy interview ...

Yeah, I agree GW wasn’t a choice really ... I just couldn’t recall if we even interviewed a lot of others

We interviewed 4 or 5 others ... i was only talking about those invited back for 2nd’s ... and i’m not sure of that but i think there were two ...

This here should lend weight to which of the scenarios it the most truthful/likely (I'm sure there is elements of truth in some part of both sides, but having a small element of truth to a story doesn't make the whole or bigger story true - far from it) .... but to me the notion that the likes of Hue, Haley and Zampese don't have jobs because Baker is a pulling strings or a brat ... or because Dorsey is afraid of big personalities seems unlikely at best.

Thanks, I am with you there

j/c:

It's amazing how much inside information so many board members have.