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It's interesting reading comments here-and-there about grooming Gilbert for future trade value. I'm just happy that he looks like a guy who could be a long-term answer as our #2 QB.

I don't think any team is jones-ing to trade for a 28+ year old journeyman-at-best QB who looks like a decent backup.

I agree; there’s no doubt Gilbert deserves a spot ... us even trying to get him onto the PS would be foolish. He’d be picked up quite quickly IMO.

Now, in terms of Stanton, I think we’ll keep him IF we think he’s that important to Baker/Gilbert’s growth. That’s what it’d come down to in my eyes

I like Gilbert as the back-up, but I'm sure Stanton is going nowhere. He looked horrible in my eyes the first game, but for some reason the guy has a winning record as a back up. So there is that to think about. Plus he could be mentoring Gilbert also, which would be an asset to the QB room.

Stanton has a winning record because he has had incredible luck. It has nothing to do with him being good.

I understand that, but winning does make a difference. Many back-ups like him float around the league and never have any success. He has. He may suck, but he did something right to give him that record.

Totally with you, Eo. You say it better han I can sometimes.

I think Gilbert now at 2. I like Blough enough to PS him and run scouting prep.

We really needed Stanton last year for depth, mentoring, in-game help for BM. That time is past, so he is a luxury. Could we hire him? I think we can. Not sure he has the fire in his belly to be a starter. Maybe he does. But if you want to keep him as a player and the backup, I believe he has shown all he has. I do not feel it is enough or positioning us for backup going forward. Seems at odds with the "Consistency!" mantra Freddie preaches.

How refreshing to worry about this. Thanks, Eo.

The thing he did right was play for a team with a good defense. That’s it. His winning record is not indicative of his play.

Stanton is a coach. He is great for that room. No different than McCown was. But, we don't want to rely on him. He was pretty bad when I was at camp and at the O&B Scrimmage. Multiple missed cues, terrible throws. Keep him, use him for his coaching abilities, but god forbid BM goes down...you gotta play Gilbert.

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What do you guys make of Gilbert not playing last night?

Was it because they think they can sneak him onto the Practice Squad and no one will take him? I doubt if that strategy would work.

Was it because he has wrapped up the #2 job?

It couldn't be that he is going to get cut...right?

I have no clue but I certainly though he made the most of his opportunities when he was on the field. I don't understand it and I'm not sure if it really told us anything.

I was looking forward to seeing him last night. Oh well.

I just don't like Stanton's arm.

Stanton looked and has looked horrible.

Eventual trade bait?

You're right, I don't believe he would last long on the PS. Keep him as an active #3 for awhile, and see who comes knocking?

I would guess he'll be auditioning for someone on 8/29. I'd hoped it would be for our #2, but Kitchens has said otherwise.

Cutting him outright would disappoint me.

I actually think that he'll be the #3 initially. I also think he outplayed Stanton in pre-season games, but I sorta understand why Stanton would be the backup.

If, God forbid, Baker gets hurt, Stanton would be the first guy off the bench, but he'd have a short leash. IMO, of course.

I think Stanton was playing for his job last night to be honest .... he may be cut now

I think Gilbert is already the backup QB and will get all of next week

I'd hope... I don't think we need to carry 3 QBs. However, it's entirely plausible that we carry 3 QBs with Gilbert remaining inactive each week. If Baker is injured for any length of time, Gilbert will get the start with Stanton backing up.

I think it all depends if we think we can still win with Gilbert and how much Baker needs/wants Stanton on the sidelines with him.

I hope you're right. IMO, there's no way you should keep a 35 year old career backup with a 66.3 QB rating over a 28 year old with a live arm, prototype size, and some legitimate upside.

I agree Dave ... Stanton really shouldn’t be on the roster to be honest, at least from an actual playing standpoint

I do not see how he would be getting cut. That would make me really question the front office/coaches.

I agree that he would not be long for the practice squad. I think he makes the team. Stanton's actual play is not a part of his value and I do not think we can afford to have him as a part of the roster if it means not being able to keep Gilbert.

It probably won't happen, but I am in favor of only keeping two QBs. Baker and Gilbert. I would cut Stanton. If the Browns like Blough, they could put him on the PS.

Same here ... I’d cut Stanton and save a roster spot

My suspicion is Stanton still wants to play. The Browns still want him to be a mentor to Baker. The Browns are stuck. Cut him and he goes elsewhere. Therefore, cutting him in the Browns eyes isn't really an option.

U have to add to that Freddie was the QB coach in Zona when they kept two and then had to finish a game with no QB and then signed guys on Monday/Tuesday and they started for them 2 or 3 weeks in a row ....

Freddie mentioned that al least once in a presser ...

Will be interesting to see how this shakes out ....

TICK TOCK ... . LETS GOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo

There are a few teams that might like Gilbert. I like Gilbert for our #2 for the next two seasons. But I agree with the above.

Unless Stanton retires (still wanting to play or not).

Yeah, my guess is if we release Stanton somebody will pick him up to play ... and a player’s paycheck is a heck of a lot more than a coachs’

If Baker needs Drew Stanton around to be the best QB he can be then we have bigger problems than potentially cutting Drew Stanton.

This doesn't make any sense. Just because Stanton can't play the position doesn't mean he can't teach it.

Can he teach it better than Todd Monken, Ryan Lindley, and/or Freddie Kitchens? I am usually of the opinion that you hire coaches for a reason.

We will find out when the cuts come.

Whether Stanton stays or goes, we'll have our answer.

Stanton is not going anywhere and neither is Gilbert. Freddie will carry 3 QBs on the 53 man roster.

I think that's the way it will turn out.

I agree this is what will happen. I just don’t think Drew Stanton should be on the team because he is basically unplayable.

There's only one issue you seem to be neglecting to consider here. And yeah, I would be MUCH happier with Gilbert as the back up myself.

But what you seem to be forgetting is the players union contract. The NFLPA and the NFL have a contractual agreement that limits the time that coaches can spend working with players. Both on the field and in the classroom.

Those same limitations do not exist between players. Having someone like Stanton allows for more time to be spent working with Baker that coaches aren't allowed to do simply because of contract constraints.

Stanton on the 53, but Gilbert as the backup on the game day roster?

If we are to believe Freddie Kitchens, no.

During the off-season? Sure. Now? No constraints.

I agree ... My hope: Stanton gets cut ... My reality: He stays

Unless Baker really needs Stanton input during games we should keep the other two because they both show promise. Even Blough looked as good as Kessler last night. And Gilbert could start for some teams.