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#Browns Freddie Kitchens said rookie OL Drew Forbes flashed in game and earned more reps. Has gotten a few at first-team RG the last two days.

@ScottPetrak

#Browns coach Freddie Kitchens said rookie Drew Forbes got more reps with ones at right guard today because he flashed in preseason opener last week and first joint practice with #Colts yesterday. Freddie said it's like a reward system, like a gas card

@NateUlrich

I could see Forbes taking over the starting RG at some point in the near future.

The game of football, I think it's always been a run first game,

Running, Tackling, Blocking, then;

passing, is what you do when you have to,

but the thing is, if you chose to pass, you have to test the waters deep, to stretch the whole field and make the defense defend the whole field,

that sets up the short passing,

I've been thinking recently of all the Browns championships I've hear of and how, they always had better running backs than they do on an average year,

I mean, I don't know how passing can be considered the most efficient,

Woody Hayes, said when you pass three things can happen, and two of them are bad.

Sadly for now, it seems like all the right guard candidates suck.

Jury is still out on the kicking game, but going into his 2nd year I am not convinced of Corbett. I do hope he succeeds, but at 33rd pick this is the biggest question mark on Dorsey's time here. But, for all the good things he has brought to the club and our many riches, I can accept it. I am pulling for the guy and hopeful he can grow. Schwartz became a great player, but many of us were unsure of him in his early days too.

I noticed a couple years ago that my opinions and your expressed opinions on whether (any given player) was good or bad were almost 100 percent in opposition.

You are right that there is no clear superstar in there, and I think Kush will eventually start,
If Forbes is getting attention, maybe it means Forbes is showing toughness,
But isn't he more naturally a taller outside tackle, backing up in pass protection,...
instead of a (standing shorter stance), inside, seek and find, (forward run blocking) guard?

Corbett doesn't suck, he just has limited upside, but he can be useful in situations, in my opinion,

Pretty sure Kush will end up the starter, but only because I was pretty sure "one of" the three guys they signed in Feb/Mar was going to start, from the day they let Zeitler go.

They didn't get a first teamer in the draft this year, and they didn't appear to have a guy in position to transition in during year two, from last year;

except Corbett, Figure it's going to come down to Corbett and whichever one of the three Feb/march guys, (free agent vet signing), that they chose to fill that same role,

Looks like Corbett, ..excuse me,.. Looks like Kush is going to get the starter role, and either way I think they'll be fine,

If Forbes, is getting attention, and reps, it's probably a reward for something Forbes has been showing in practice and camp.

I don't think they'll, the guys going to suck,

They just don't have a "superstar" in there like they did with, (or close to with), Zeitler.

They'll be fine, Kalais, is a journeyman center backup interior guy , with similar potential and upside, but he's got a minor injury these weeks.

Ok, every stop freaking out. We might not have a Zeitler, but I doubt if any of these guys “suck”.

WELL, I agree that there are serious questions on Corbett. But, I wouldn't say he "sucks". I trust Dorsey's talent evaluators, but the kid needs to step up and show serious improvement this season.

BUT, get used to it...as fans many in here used to say Mitchell Schwartz and Buster Skrine sucked (only to boo hoo a couple years later when the FO didn't re-sign them or let them walk).

I agree about Corbett. Time to take the job, if you’re going to be the man. If it just so happens that another guy is better, then, it is what it is. I’m sure we all wanted him to be the more better Zeitler, but, to be honest, that was a big ask. Zeitler is a damn good player.

J/C

Based on the fact that Corbett has played so late into the game, I think it’s safe to assume he’s on the bubble.

Not to mention, if he’s gonna be a center he cannot have snaps like that ... he had Ike 4 terrible snaps

j/c:

Corbett looks like poop (technical term) the first two games.

Corbett, the highest 2nd round pick you can possibly get, may not make the team.

It happens....all teams miss on picks (possibly re: Corbett).

It isn't a dig on Dorsey. It is just disappointing.

If Corbett doesn't work out, it is a ding on Dorsey. But one pick doesn't make or break a GM.

You can focus on a missed pick, but objective folks would look at the Browns having the worst roster in the NFL pre-Dorsey to perhaps the most talented roster AD. And he did it in just two years.

Incredible!

Exactly. If Corbett is a bust, and as far as I'm concerned the jury is still out on that, It's only one pick. What about all the other good picks, trades and pick-ups JD has made? How can anyone badger him on Corbett and not look at all the other positives. Ridiculous.

I think the Browns had one of the worst rosters pre-Sashi too.

I think we all know why Memphis is focusing on Corbett.

j/c

At this point, probably best that we get back on-topic...

I agree.

Back on topic...Corbett sucks.

But I hope the Browns don't give up on him.

That would be a very Browns thing to do.

I heard something interesting the other day regarding the Steelers. First, no one develops players like the Steelers do. That's why I think they should be considered the favorite in the north. But what I heard was that they have a 3 year plan for all of their draftees. I found that comment interesting.

Because Doug Lesmerises said he was bad, so I obliged.

He didn't say he was bad. He offered no take whatsoever other than reporting the guys alternating at RG. He did NOT talk about technique, strength, explosion, etc.

But, I am not surprised you consider him a good source.

J/C

Corbett’s performance was not good today. I mean, we’ve already been shown (per the coaching decisions) that he can’t play RG ... well, he can’t play C right now either. Plus, I’ve read “experts” that are trusted w/Browns info that his effort was poor as well

Can you provide some specifics? I tried watching him today and it was very difficult.

Not calling you out, but it seems like it's a popular thing to rip the dude. I have experience at scouting and I found it almost impossible to see if he was doing a good or bad job. What did you see that led you to such a strong position? Please provide specific examples. Thanks.

Well, just to start with ... he was at center for the entire game (that I saw) ... and he had probably 4-5 snaps that were VERY bad (disrupted/destroyed the play and got our QB into danger)

He also was shown being screamed at by the coaching staff (I saw the clip on twitter and it was due to a lack of effort from the comments I saw).

I saw 2-3 times via replay that he was beaten by the DT and whiffed, which caused losses of yardage.

I’d also add (just from a coaching perspective) that there’s a reason he was still in at the very end of the game. You don’t see many guys who are even close to starters (or even real backups) in at that point in time. The coaches clearly did it for a reason

Thanks for answering. I didn't see all that. But again, thanks for answering.

I literally laughed when I read that. Thanks!

Corbett is struggling I agree, but I also saw Cam Erving struggle here. Worst lineman ever I thought. Hasn't he started for the Chiefs for the last few years? Corbett is entering his second season with 1 start and has played in 11 games. I think we can give him the year to develop, unless the talent behind him is so much better. Dorsey saw something or we would not have drafted him.

Yes, I agree. He'll get another year to learn how to snap, and block.

Yep, there are a ton of offensive linemen who have been busts over the years.

j/c

My concern is that if Campen can't get him there...maybe he really just cannot GET there.