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The offensive line is the weakest part of the team (besides kicker). Fans complain about the worst part of any team. We're just not used to the weakest part of the team being average instead of the worst in the league.

This is an opinion. Opinions are fine, but it is an opinion and not something that you can prove factually.

Nope. Not an opinion. Look at this chart about offensive line play:

https://tinyurl.com/2fcpre6

You should be taken out and shot at dawn.

Just because you can't handle the truth about our offensive line doesn't mean you get to threaten me.

You're right. I apologize. You should be beaten before you are shot.

You must really hate Eric Kush.

Bingo. Greg Robinson had half a season of not being terrible when he's been among the worst offensive linemen in the league the rest of his career. Eric Kush is a journeymen. Chris Hubbard is an average linemen. The thing is you combine all that with Joel Bitonio and JT Tretter and what you get isn't bad, it's average. Average, for one of the weakest units on the team, is pretty good.

I am concerned about the offensive line. Am I "We just drafted 92 year old Brandon Weeden in the first round" concerned? No.

j/c:

I trust Dorsey over guys on this message board. If he thinks the OL is fine.............well, that is fine by me.

Do we know Dorsey thinks the Oline is fine?
For all we know he is working his butt off trying to improve it.
Maybe not, he could be fine with the oline the way it is.
Point is, we don't really know what Dorsey thinks.

I am guessing you haven't followed the flow of the thread and misinterpreted my intent. LOL

Possibly
I have popped in on this thread intermittently but have not followed it closely

j/c

I'll be shocked if JD does not add an OL before Opening Day.

Who? and Why? Opening day is about 10 days away.

(" You'll be shocked if John Dorsey doesn't add an Offensive lineman by opening day")

So will I?

Will you be shocked if he doesn't make a trade for Trent Williams or another guy to start?

I ask because that is what this argument is about. bonefish is on a crusade about it.

I wonder how the OL will look when Chubb Odell, Vice Grips, Njoku, Callaway, Higgins and Baker all on the field at once.

Imagine when Hunt comes back in week 8... and everyone else is healthy woah. that's just mean.

That’s the rub .. we haven’’t seen the entire offense togetehery yet; it’s tough to know exactly how we look until the season starts

The offensive line today has the same OT's that played in the last half of last season. Unless you are trying to hold the penalties Harrison continued to make in the first half of last season against "the offensive line of today"?

So you can't use all of last year to compare Robinson as a starter at LT.

As I said before, those two OT's did okay last year. Nothing you post can really change that.

As I said before, the only change is the RG and I agree that's still a big question mark. But let's not pretend we can call Baker's play against the Bucs an anomaly while yelling how the OT's from last year are suddenly trash when they too performed okay last year.

Robinson commited 8 holds in 8 games ... THATS HORRIBLE ...

He was not good last year ... being better than Harrison does not in and of itself make someone good ... the bar was set pretty low ...

The TE’s may be a weaker group (i don’t think so but its a legite argument) but the TE’s aren’t going to derail the O ... the OL can ...

U don’t want Trent ... thats fine .. but enough about Robinson not playing like a BUM last year ... it’s simply NOT TRUE ...

Just like the sashiettes are doing with Gonzalez ... ya’all are making Robinson out to be something he just wasn’t last year ...

Vers talks about bone being on a crusade ... like vers isn’t on a crusade of his own ... *LOL* ...

I didn't say he was good. Comprehension problems? I've said all along he was average.

And I've never said I didn't want Trent. I have said I wouldn't give up the farm for a 31 year old LT with an injury history. It's all about the price tag.

j/c

That brings up a good point about penalties: they killed us at times last year, especially from the OL. Kitchens has made it a point to improve in this area ... Robinson is a key candidate in this regard.

I think he's looking at options for RG. I will also be shocked if he gets Trent Williams. I'm not necessarily against TW, I just don't think it will happen.

IMO...he cannot be comfortable with Kush as a long term starter OR Corbett as the primary backup C. (I think Kush is the preferred backup at C.) I think there is much fire with the smoke over Forbes...but he's not ready yet...and we want to win now.

I am on a bit of a crusade. I am defending the guys on the OL. One more time for guys like you who want to ignore it. PFF had them ranked as the second best group in the NFL last year. They provided Baker w/a ton of time to throw and some great sight lines.

Yes, we lost Zeitler and that is significant. But, losing one guy does not make you go from 2nd to 32nd. I think they are getting unfairly blasted. And that it the thing w/an OL...........they are easy to bash because their errors are so easy to see. Give up a sack or a pressure and people freak out.

Perhaps you remember when Charlie Frye was our QB? Or when Brandon Weeden was our QB. The media and many fans were saying how utterly terrible the OLs were, and then DA took over for Frye and Hoyer for Weeden and somehow, those two OLs looked great.

I have always contended that most fans and media members don't have a freaking clue when it comes to evaluating OL play.

j/c,

Can we all agree that our OL is not as good as it could be?

Robinsons not average ... he was below average last year unless u wanna pretend the holding calls don’t matter ... so there ... *L*

Guys like me that want to ignore it ... ...

We have a guy in Forbes who seems to be developing into the RG position. Frankly, I'm more worried about LT than RG although RG is still a concern for now. The situation may get better as the season progresses.

And not that preseason matters but his hold nullified a first and goal last game. Tampa's PI in the end zone by was offset by his hold.

Yeah, I wish we had Schwartz, Zeitler, and Joe Thomas to go with Bitonio and Tretter

Of course. However, that isn't what has fueled most of the OL conversation on two separate threads.

My contention that the OL is good enough because it would be too costly to upgrade it the way bonefish and others want to.

The talk is getting either Trent Williams or Laremy Tunsil.

The Redskins don't want to trade Williams. They would want a lot in return for him. It's been said that they would want a first round and more. He's 31 and has been injured a lot. He has a big contract and he wants even more money. He has also acted strangely while demanding this trade. I don't think he is worth the cost and I doubt Dorsey does, either.

Tunsil, the man most famous for his gas mask, would also be expensive. There is a report that Miami might trade him to Houston for Clowney. Are we going to give up Myles Garrett for Tunsil? I think not. I don't see Dorsey making a move like that.

Our OL has protected Baker very well. He has had huge sight lanes when throwing and when the first read is not open, the OL gave him a lot of time to throw. This OL is taking too much grief. And I already know that it will get worse because folks will rail against them every time they give up a sack. Because, you know, other teams never give up sacks and their qbs have all day to throw. [I am not directing that last comment towards you.]

I just checked again on Tunsil and appears the Dolphins are not willing to include Tunsil in a trade for Clowney. I'll post the link below. But, what does that tell you about the cost of the Browns trading for Tunsil?

Look, Dorsey has already spent a ton of money and I don't think he is going to make huge trades like trading for Tunsil or Williams this year. I don't think either trade would be in the best interests of the Browns future.

Here is that link: https://dolphinswire.usatoday.com/2019/0...-clowney-trade/

No, they're not average if that's all you consider.

Alex, I'll take Rick-Rolled for $200 please.