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That doesn't excuse how Crennel handled (read: Botched) the entire situation.
Maybe not.. and the talking heads may be laughing now... but let's be realistic, if Quinn finishes the season looking strong, nobody will remember that couple of weeks of turmoil... nobody will care. It will be nothing more than a footnote to the Browns 2007 season...
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I'll agree that he mishandled the QB situation. But I wasn't there in Berea, so I don't really know how he should hve handled the situation. I've read that Chud had wanted DA, but Romeo favored CF--and equally confusing reports as to who was getting the upper hand in Camp. So I don't really know what to think about the whole competition.
I do know that once we drafted Quinn, it complicated the QB situation even more. As if the Anderson-Frye controversy wasn't enough---we throw a first rounder into the mix.
But even after that, I think that RAC should see an additional couple years. The QB situation will be SOLID next year. Quinn WILL start, there is no question about that. So, I'd give RAC a couple years where we are solidified at the key positions--with the players he wanted, to show us that he can get us some wins.
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if Quinn finishes the season looking strong, nobody will remember that couple of weeks of turmoil... nobody will care
your right DC, and I really hope that happens, but right now, evidence doesn't piont in that direction.
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So Heiden thinks Quinn is ready. Like you, I'm sure the players want Quinn in there as well. Problem is that Quinn doesn't know half the playbook yet, and isn't ready.
Do you actually know this? Or are you just assuming this giving his time with the team? If you have recent evidence of BQ's state or preparedness, I'd love to read it.
I haven't seen anything RECENTLY (ie within the last week) that would indicate how much of the playbook he knows.
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It's simple.. somebody said a week or so ago that for Quinn to play, they would have to scale back the playbook... then through discussions on here, various percentages have been cast about and dropped into sentences without really a lot of thought behind them....... Toad evidently likes the 50% number...
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It's simple.. somebody said a week or so ago that for Quinn to play, they would have to scale back the playbook... then through discussions on here, various percentages have been cast about and dropped into sentences without really a lot of thought behind them....... Toad evidently likes the 50% number...
Hehe.. thanks. I figured that's how it all came out. Everytime I hear someone on this board say, "He's not ready" I think, "How do you know how ready he is?" Unless it's coming from a particular female poster on this board or from someone on the team, I just think it's ridiculous to say it like it's a known fact, especially in direct contrast to one of his own teammates.
That's how it works around here though.
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Maybe not.. and the talking heads may be laughing now... but let's be realistic, if Quinn finishes the season looking strong, nobody will remember that couple of weeks of turmoil... nobody will care. It will be nothing more than a footnote to the Browns 2007 season...
The problem is that it's yet another wart on RAC's resume.
Ask yourself this question: Whenever the time comes for RAC to look for other work, will the GM's of other teams look at how he handled that QB situation? 32 out of 32 would, so no, people will care.
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Do you actually know this? Or are you just assuming this giving his time with the team? If you have recent evidence of BQ's state or preparedness, I'd love to read it.
I haven't seen anything RECENTLY (ie within the last week) that would indicate how much of the playbook he knows.
The evidence is right in front of you.
The answer to this question is the answer you're looking for:
If Quinn is ready, why wasn't he named the starter?
The unspoken word here is that Quinn is going to be the QB after the bye week. So why bother to wait a few more weeks if he's ready now? The obvious answer is: He ISN'T ready now. Physically, he's ready. So it's mental. So how can it be mental? He hasn't fully grasped the entire playbook yet. That takes time, and reps, things that he hasn't had enough of yet.
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Toad evidently likes the 50% number...
What better number for a self-professed fence rider?
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I'll give RAC a couple more years.
What? You're going to follow his career wherever he goes?
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I dont know who that QB was. Too young I suppose. I remember 92 or so on...95 and on I followed pretty closely. (Keep in mind I'm 21)
I really don't think Quinn is ready...at all. I just think Anderson is THAT bad..I'd almost rather have Dorsey out there. He has no physical ability, but at least he has half a functioning brain.
I agree that the Crennel BLEW it. I knew Frye wasn't the long term starter...but I didn't expect him to pack it in. That's kinda what it looked like, he was so afraid to make a mistake...that he made mistakes.
I think as soon as Quinn is comfortable with the playbook he needs to be in there. Like you said, hes not great at anything, but he's good at everything. He appears to have the tools to be an above average QB in this league.
I think waiting till the bye week is the best possible scenario. He gets two weeks exclusively with the first team, and by then the OL should be more familiar with each other. I just hope Anderson doesn't suck bad enough to have Quinn go in next week.
My comments before might have been misleading. It wasnt so much and endorsement of Quinn as an "omg not Anderson" kinda vibe. lol
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"We're not good enough to overcome a hole as deep as we dug."
Maybe he isnt good enough to teach his team how to fight out of a hole.
Everytime he opens his mouth it is getting worse.
And I am not talking about his waistline.
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Um, Excuse me. I never said I felt sorry for Romeo. If he wants to coach like an incompetant boob, then he deserves to get called on it. If I feel sorry for anybody, it's the fans.
why all the hate for Romeo??...I feel bad for him that he's struggling so much,...It's not like he's TRYING to fail.
Well it sure doesn't look like he's trying to win either. Guy just stands there showing no emotion when we get 4 penalties on 1 botched punt and he just stands there. I'd be in every single one of those guys faces giving them a piece of my mind. But he did nothing, made no expressions nothing. That lack of intensity he had even showed in our players. Romeo's seat should be on fire now.
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What would exploding do? I'd rather have someone that actually could control their emotions and handle things logically than one that explodes in a crisis. That gets said alot around here and makes NO sense. Good thing Tressell is always hollering and going off on everyone in sight or OSU would never win a game. 
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They don't need to be emotional,they just need to know how to coach. 
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Damn it is good to have the hopping frog and the lily pad of realism back to the boards... The tadpoles have missed ya big guy!  Some on here mentioned it in other threads (pitdawg I believe it was) about having Quinn with a scaled back playbook... Let's be real here, ALL of the QB's have had the same Playbook to study for the same amount of time... Just that Quinn wasn't available when the majority of it was rehearsed and implemented during camp... I would venture to say that the kid is within a fart of knowing the playbook just as much as Anderson if not more... Only diff (and a big one at that) being that DA has had some saddle time throwing the bullets... To me, it makes sense to just ease him along with the stuff he DOES have down and keep adding to it... Again bro, welcome back!
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Pit, with all your statements you are making me sound like an RAC apologist, but I will say this. If the man couldn't coach, he wouldn't have 5 SB rings, be one of the most respected DCs in the league, and have made it to where he is. He CAN coach....maybe not to your (or our) satisfaction, but he CAN coach.
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Exactly. It doesn't bother me a bit that Romeo doesn't show emotion during the game. Neither does Tressel, no one gets on him for it. All that matters is that they get fired up behind closed doors, and they know what they are doing. And of course their players have to like them.
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Pit, with all your statements you are making me sound like an RAC apologist, but I will say this. If the man couldn't coach, he wouldn't have 5 SB rings, be one of the most respected DCs in the league, and have made it to where he is. He CAN coach....maybe not to your (or our) satisfaction, but he CAN coach.
NOT one person can despute his skills/track record as a Defensive Coordinator... The rest of that book though is nearing it's final chapter I am afraid...
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Yes, but that involved coaching. That's my point. You don't have that success if you can't "coach" players.
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If the man couldn't coach, he wouldn't have 5 SB rings, be one of the most respected DCs in the league,
We're not talking about being a DC. We're talking about being a head coach.
Is it then your assertion that "every successfull DC or OC in the NFL" are head coaching material? That because they can succeed as a DC or OC in the NFL,that means they will succeed as a head coach?
I thought not.
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Stop using your political tactics here. You said that RAC "can't coach". That is what I took issue with. RAC CAN coach. That is different from if he is a head coach. You know it. You're starting to talk in circles to make your point right and others wrong. Leave that in politics so we can discuss the Browns with the passion and respect it deserves 
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Ok everyone...Chant it with me. TOMLINS NUMBER 1....TOMLINS NUMBER 1....  Seriously...this whole thing...while a fun read....is about as meaningful as someone's POWER RANKINGS... HACK
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It's a popularity contest... Steelers have a big fan base... the guy won big... of course he'll get the votes... when the Steelers lose he'll drop... happens with anyone...
it'll take a lot for RAC to get bumped back in decent looking numbers... even if we beat the Bungles I can only see him bumping up to like 30s... maybe 40s... who knows.
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I asked you what signs you saw that RAC would be a successfull NFL head coach.
You came back with,well he's been a successfull DC.
That had nothing to do with the question I posed what so ever. If you have nothing of substance to reply with,fine.
Don't blame me for it though.
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How'd he get 16%?
Steeler fans voting ..... 
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So how can it be mental? He hasn't fully grasped the entire playbook yet. That takes time, and reps, things that he hasn't had enough of yet.
I agree with that in a sense that he's unable to read NFL defenses and relate that to the playcall (including route running) instinctually before the snap and after. That will take years.
But what you said was "Problem is that Quinn doesn't know half the playbook yet." To me, that's quite different than "fully grasping it," and I really just wanted to know if you read something indicating his progress.
See, I'm really just interested in BQ's progression in practice. That is the key to our season right now. Since practice isn't open to the media that makes it difficult. You mentioned "half" and I just wanted to know if you knew something solid. But I know now you don't so we can let it go.
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I DO hate the kneel down crap-- that can be practiced and run for something good if you are, oh in a good sized hole. We need a pirate type to go after it. Better be better, Romeo. Your travel agent is on the phone, May the Elf be with us! 
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They don't need to be emotional,they just need to know how to coach.
Tha'ts your quote. RAC can coach. Stop trying to change the issue. This isn't a political thread where you bounce around what you say to try to blame others for disputing what was said.
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Ok everyone...Chant it with me.
TOMLINS NUMBER 1....TOMLINS NUMBER 1....
Seriously...this whole thing...while a fun read....is about as meaningful as someone's POWER RANKINGS...
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I really don't see how he could earn a number one ranking for beating the Browns but as you said...it means about this much in the big scheme of things.
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I really don't see how he could earn a number one ranking for beating the Browns but as you said...it means about this much in the big scheme of things.
Look at the number of people who voted... some are a couple thousands, others are less than 100... the fact that Tomlin won just means that Steeler fans have more time to vote... 
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Tha'ts your quote. RAC can coach. Stop trying to change the issue. This isn't a political thread where you bounce around what you say to try to blame others for disputing what was said.
He's shown ZERO signs he can be an NFL head coach as of yet.
If he has,please list the qualities he has shown in that department. As a DC he had success. Wheather that was in large part by Bill or RAC.
But as a head coach in the NFL? Please list those "coaching qualities" that you have seen on game day to indicate that. I've asked you this before,but your only reply was the respect of his players and that he was a good DC. And somehow pretending that success as a DC is a direct garuntee at success as a head coach. Nothing could be further from the truth.
As I asked then,is it your assertion that ALL successfull DC's and OC's can be successfull NFL head coaches?
I would appreciate answers to these legitimate questions rather than double talk and avoiding them Coach.
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Ben Roethlisberger threw a career-high four touchdown passes
Seems like whenever anyone obtains a career high,all they need to do is play us.This is getting old real quick.
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LOL, YOU are talking about double talk? You are the one that said that RAC "can't coach" and I refuted that, yet I am the one with the double talk? Why can't you stay on point. You said RAC can't coach. You're wrong.
Now, as to you avoiding the subject and changing it from what you said, I have answered them. RAC is respected by coaches, players, and FO staff accross the league. He has shown an ability to handle the tough situations as a DC and as a head coach. Now that the pieces are in place, it's ridiculous after one game this year to say that he can't do the job. I don't know what you do for a living, but it's kind of hard to build a house without the proper tools to do so. You need a hammer to drive in nails and you won't look too much like a house builder doing it by trying to hammer a nail with a sponge. Let's see what the man can do with the tools he now has before we decide he can't do the job.
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Tha'ts your quote. RAC can coach. Stop trying to change the issue. This isn't a political thread where you bounce around what you say to try to blame others for disputing what was said.
Here's the question Coach. I've been asking you all along. It has NOTHING to do with being a DC. Yet again you've avoided it. My question is about him being able to be a head coach. You know it has been all along.
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But let me ask you something.................
What "tangible evidence" has RAC shown you that gives you any degree of evidence or confidence in him likely becoming a successfull NFL head coach?
Having the team prepared?
Great half time adjustments?
Steady progress?
Being decisive?
Being a good leader?
I mean,I've heard people say he should stay,but other than "hope that it all just works out" I haven't seen anything "tangible" in regards to them mentioning "actual NFL head coaching qualities" that give a reason for their position?
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There it is Coach. I asked it almost 24 hours ago and you've done nothing but claim this ISN'T the question I asked.
Now either you can answer it,or you can't. But you can quit claiming that this wasn't and isn't the question at hand,because it is. Not a DC but as a head coach.
Once again,according to your logic,just because he made a good DC,autmomaticly means he will be a good head coach? Because that seems to be your assertion. These two jobs are nothing alike. Even you know that. So you really need to quit pretending that they are.
So there it is Coach. The REAL question. Not the one you "claimed" I've been asking.
So are you going to answer it now or keep pretending that wasn't the question to begin with?
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Geez, pit, drop it already.
I'm just reading thru this thread. You stated that RAC "can't coach". That is a fact.
CoachB stated that RAC can coach, i.e. his super bowl rings, his respect as a dc. CoachB stated that maybe he's not HEAD coach material, but he can coach.
That should be the end of it. Those are indesputable facts: what you said, and how coach responded. End of story.
Yet, you twist and turn and go after coachB's throat over something he NEVER stated, nor implied.
RAC has been a great coach - just not here. Can't you just let it go, or do you ALWAYS have to be right, even to the point of making up things others say - things they haven't said, and then using those unsaid statements against them?
Come on. Wanna debate? Debate. Just don't put words in people's mouths and then attempt to use those words against them. You don't like it if it's done to you, yet you seem to quite enjoy doing it to others. It gets old rather quickly.
I know you could care less what I say, and that's fine.
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Geez, pit, drop it already.
I'm just reading thru this thread. You stated that RAC "can't coach". That is a fact.
CoachB stated that RAC can coach, i.e. his super bowl rings, his respect as a dc. CoachB stated that maybe he's not HEAD coach material, but he can coach. And when I said he can't coach,everyone KNOWS we're taliking about in the "head coaching capacity. You ain't the calvery,so save it!
That should be the end of it. Those are indesputable facts: what you said, and how coach responded. End of story.
Get your nose out of it Arch!
I've discussed this with Coach since yesterday. He knows as well as everyone following this board that I asked coach to tell me what he's seen to indicate RAC has what it takes to be an NFL head coach.
And guess what? So far,he hasn't shown ANYTHING to show he can!
Somebody has to coach this team. HEAD COACH this team. In that capacity,RAC can't Coach.
Why don't you mind your own damned business!?
People following these threads know EXACTLY what I've been asking Coach now you want to fly in here and the middle of things and shoot your mouth off about something you don't have a clue about.
Keep your nose in your own damned business and quit jumping into the middle of something you don't have a clue about!
Quit acting like you have ANY poower to tell me what to post. Because you don't. Quit playing the fool!
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