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j/c:

I think the Browns can improve on their rankings, but the questions that I have read/heard deal with the following:

--Freddie hasn't been a HC on any level. Saying he is ready is wishful thinking. That doesn't mean he isn't ready or won't be a good HC, instead it means we have no idea. Fantasy Island won't change that.

--I saw this in one of the links....Can the OL protect our qb who tends to hold the ball too long at times because he is looking for big plays?

--Has the team learned how to win? They were 1-6-1 against teams w/winning records last year. They were 0-3 against teams w/winning records after the coaching purge.

--Will teams figure out Baker? He didn't do well in Haley's offense. Other QBs have, including Big Ben. If he is a system qb, it would be easier to figure him out.

--The concern if this team will implode if things don't go well right away? Lot's of big egos, young players, a lot of guys who haven't won much on the pro level, and a HC who has never been a HC.

So............I can see why the Browns are not ranked higher. The Browns may pass all of those questions w/flying colors, but that doesn't mean folks who raise them are being unreasonable.

Given that power rankings are nothing but opinion, and often constructed just to create reactions, I'm surprised folks put so much stock in them.

Who is putting a ton of stock in them? Additionally, given our record last year and especially factoring in our record against teams w/winning records, I am surprised folks are putting so much stock into the opinions of folks saying how great we are going to be. I'm even more surprised that folks are acting like Fantasy Island is a real thing. LOL

Ya ... this is the same team as last years .....

Adding Sheldon, Vernon, OBJ and Hunt won’t matter much .... All the pups like MG, ObiWan and Njoku and others having a 2nd year under their belt won’t matter much .... guys like Bake, Ward, Nick and Avery going into year two as opposed to being raw butt rookies won’t matter much .... then throw the cherry on top of the pie that don’t matter .. Greedy ...

I’m about 98 or 99% positive having the coaching staff that started the season in tact at the end of the season won’t matter much either ...

Yup .... thats definetly the recipe for a middle of the pack team ... ...

These are the only rankings that matter to me:
https://sportsbookwire.usatoday.com/2019/09/05/updated-nfl-super-bowl-betting-future-odds/

Not because I'm a sports better, but because Vegas doesnt screw around when it comes to money.

Well, I guess you twisting my words into things I did not say is a step-up from you just laughing hysterically at my comments. So, there is that.

It's gotten to the point where you don't even attempt to talk football w/me. That's fine, but remember that the next time you want a breakdown. My opinions are either hysterical or cause for eye-rolls.

It seems, more and more, that it just maddens you when people get excited. It's uncanny.

People aren't necessarily putting stock into anything. They're just hyped up and excited to watch competitive football.

So according to that we’re ranked 7th

Maybe that has more to do with the last 4 times i’ve asked u questions i’ve gotten only 1 response ... and that response was to tell me U may respond with a PM (witch i never received) cause u were sick of being insulted by your posse in that thread .... meanwhile u had the time to reply to another post i made telling me the word whore was vulgar ....

So u had the time to grade yet another post and tell me i was vulgar but u couldn't take the time to answer my legite questions ....

Now as is par for the course u wanna play the victim .... you’ve gotten quite good at it ....

It may end up being fantasy island ... u never know .... but i’m Not living this season in fear of my own shadow ... crappy butt way to go through life and i’m GOING TO ENJOY THIS in the here and now not in the “what could go wrong will most likely go wrong” mindset some CHOOSE to live in ...

PS. The best part is i still get to learn from U regardless of weather were in a “feud” or not ...

Another good football post.

I feel differently. I made that statement in reply to someone who said he was surprised folks put so much stock into the power rankings when no games have been played yet.

I feel that some of you are "maddened" or angered if others want to look at the big picture and then it becomes some personality quiz, such as your post to me.

I haven't predicted gloom and doom for the Browns. In fact, I am very excited for the season and have said so. Repeatedly. However, there are questions and I don't see why you guys are getting so irritated about it.

And for folks who have known me a long time, I don't see how in the hell you can't figure out why I am tempering expectations. Hint: It has to do w/job security when the crazy expectations are not met.

I’m still scarred from the mid-80’s. I’m very grounded, and cautiously optimistic. I would consider a 9-7 record with a playoff berth a massive success. We have a lot to prove on the field, and a non-cupcake schedule.

Not trying to be a wet blanket, but giving my honest opinion.

Yep yep. Got it. If anyone makes any comment whatsoever, we're "so irritated".

And you are on a one man crusade to save Freddie's job... By bringing up five times per day that if we don't do well the fans and media will call for his head.

Seems to all make sense now, my bad.

I don't feel like playing this personality game w/you. I will be glad to respond to you if you want to respond to the football comments that I made above, but I don't want to continue w/the personality crap. Here they are again:

All good and valid points that I agree with. I'm cautiously optimistic about our season and hope we win 12 games but I have my reservations.

That's not really the way it works.

Plus, I think most books are very exposed on the Browns. Meaning if the Browns win it all they are going to lose a lot of money. Meaning they don't actually think the Browns are going to win it all.

Wait a minute...wait a minute now...aren't you in his posse? I've always considered you a Versaette.

I don't like it when everyone gets out of character. Throws me off.

Whose job do you think needs securing,

Head Coach Freddie?
Someone else specifically or in General. Dorsey?
No answer necessary.

Oh, okay. I was responding to your snide remark about Fantasy Island, now you want "football talk". Got it.

-- No one knows if Freddie will be a great coach, nor is there any harm in thinking he's ready. He's been a coach and waited for this day for a long time, he seems to act the part, that's all we've got. I think he's ready -- that shouldn't make you mad and certainly won't contribute to him being fired if he's not.

-- So we should be predisposed to blaming Baker if the OLine can't protect him? Meanwhile, you have already predicted (numerous times) that everyone will blame the Line if Baker struggles. That's all fantasy as well. It's just talk, your opinion is no more valid than anybody else. You tend to predict things that will come to pass and then embrace your opinion as if it's fact. Don't care what happened in the past, this team is just about "brand-spanking-new" in every respect.

-- 0-3 against playoff teams. Yep, not good, going to have to beat the good teams. Will they? Don't know, that's why they play the games. Promise you they're not afraid of anyone, think they can beat anyone, and have the talent to beat anyone. If this was an ongoing problem, I'd be worried, it was one season during a dramatic turn around. Two years ago they couldn't beat anyone in the NFL.

-- Figure out Baker? Probably not, he AND our scheme will be multidimensional. What this has to do with Big Ben when Haley was here for 8 games, I'm not sure. Seems like a reach there bud.

-- Depends on what you mean by "go well". If we struggle and lose a few, heck no. If we suck? Yes, and it should.

The point is to have a discussion.

I mean what is the point of all the hype? What does it mean? I don't think there is anything wrong w/it. I also don't think there is anything wrong to bring in other opinions. I don't think we all have to think exactly the same way and that independent thought is okay and promoting discussion on a subject instead of parroting others is a plus.

I guess you could put me on ignore if my posts bother you so much?

Well, this isn't so much a prediction as it is an observation. It' happened to every HC we've had since 1999. Anyone who has been paying attention knows this.

Hell, i predicted 10 wins and you would have thought I shot someone's dog according to Diam.

Riggghhht. So Vers should scold everybody that says anything too positive (in his eyes) because posts on here will lead to great expectations, and great expectations will lead to a great big implosion. I guess I could understand if it was his board and he made all the rules, but it's not. It's a community of posters that are welcome to have any opinion they like. Most understand that, some always get their panties in a wad.

I lament the day Freddie gets fired and Dorsey states at the press conference that he had to go because a bunch of people at dawgtalkers set him up for failure.

I really didn't comment on the rest of it. But in case you missed it, we here at Dawgtalkers aren't "the media and the fan base".

Exaaaactly. So why does it matter if people are overly optimistic? How is that going to get someone fired?

That in and of itself doesn't get someone fired. It's all of the bad media and fan pressure that comes with disappointment that gets people fired. And no, not from Dawgtalkers.

What people miss in all of this, is while we see this as a passion and a sport, for NFL owners, it's a business. A bunch of PO'd fans don't sell tickets and merchandise.

This team just went through a huge tank job to rebuild. I'm sure the Haslams feel it's time yo recoup the money they lost the past few years by having a putrid team they put on the field. It's time to "show them the money!" They won't repeat that process without trying new coaches and a new FO if the natives get restless. It's a business to those in power, not a sport. And to build that business you have to keep the natives happy.

Do you see the relevance when folks say the Browns are going to win 14 games and win the Super Bowl? What's the difference, bone?

I don't see why it bothers you that I posted the articles? Do you complain about the "positive" articles? I get the feeling that some of you are trying to stifle others.

A minor point, but the Haslams haven't lost any money, the value of the team has grown by about 1.3 billion dollars since they bought it, if I'm not mistaken.

GC, I don't think it's exactly the same team as last year, (shoot) there are a lot of differences, let me highlight just a few.

Jabril Peppers, and Breshad Perriman are out of the picture and Duke Johnson. Carlos Hyde is not going to go through the grinding of yards for the early season games,
The returning 3rd year HC is out, and Whatever role Haley had, he's out also, and Gregg Williams has been gone for 6 months.

So this 2019 season is a brand new experience waiting to showcase itself.

Bring it on.

When you're just winging it on 9 out of every 10 posts, those are minor details.

On the topic of the thread, I honestly don't think the Browns are hype this is very real, thats not to say they are perfect but my God they are loaded and healthy at least to start they are.

They will roll today the Titans gave up 42 sacks last year and they are missing their probowl left tackle but even with him I believe we roll in this game.

We aren't a perfect team not yet we have some areas of concern namely the O line Bake needs to take what the defense is bound to give him. Last season in some of the close games he would look to make the big play and leave receivers running underneath routes wide open and throw into tight windows on deeper routes, he needs to start taking those plays, when he does the deeper stuff will open up and this will also take the pressure off the O line. He does hold the ball trying to make the big play, he needs to do better taking whats easily there.

We have 2 stud running backs or we will, the WR group is the best in the NFL, while the TE situation isn't ideal Joke is no Joke he should have a career year.

The hype will increase ten fold after our 1st 2 games we are a team truly ready to roll, they just need to keep their feet on the gas pedal. Show up and play hard on every down we win lots of games this year, this is NOT hype, not in the least IMHO

Nice to know some thing's never change

j/c:

Hey, here is a pretty good power ranking. Perhaps, ESPN is buying into the "hype" of how good the Browns are. They have us ranked 10th, which is higher than any other team in the AFC North. Pittsburgh is 11th.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/27396496/nfl-preseason-power-rankings-hot-seat-entering-2019

For what it's worth, I have the Browns ranked somewhere around 8th to 10th at this point in time. Factors that I use are talent, coaching, experience, culture, last year's performances, and new acquisitions. I have a feeling that the writers who do such rankings use similar criteria.

I do think the Browns can move up the rankings, but they can also move down. All that depends on some of the things I brought up earlier.

I also think it's cool that we are no longer ranked 30th to 32nd on the most of the lists. It shows we are making progress and gaining respect. Hopefully, that trend continues.

So true...so true.

NBC sports has the Browns ranked number 5, so what?

I don't get the "so what" part?

But, I'm glad they have us ranked so high.

This is a bit high IMO, but I get it ... Vegas has us as like 6-8 in terms of favorites