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Not really so much replying to you....
I held off coming in here until today. I was really mad watching the whole game yesterday. Wanted to cool off for a sec before I posted. I specifically decided only to read the first page and then the most recent page.
1. I'm hopeful that this game will simply serve as the kick in balls that this team needed. They listened to all the hype, and then they went up against a grinding, consistent, solid-but unspectacular Titans team. You gotta bring it every Sunday, even if you're supposed to stomp a team.
2. Refs - I really just want to get this out of the way now. I thought the refs were alright. They had a couple bad calls against us, and they let some stuff go on the Titans side, but it really wasn't that bad. Seriously, nobody here can say that they haven't seen FAR FAR worse. In my living room, the vast majority of the time I would be all like "WTH!?!?!?!" until they showed the replay. Some calls were ticky-tack, but very few were straight up bad (Robinson blindside, OBJ PI are really the only two straight-bad calls I can think of off the top of my head).
3. Discipline - Usually, team discipline falls on the coach. What we saw yesterday goes so much further than what can be put on one person (head guy or not). Our starting LT kicked a guy in the head and got ejected. The level of stupidity you have to sink to for that to happen is totally 'nother level. The repeated late hits on Mariota early on (those were not bad calls) were totally stupid. The smack to the head from Garrett. There are more examples. The stupidity exhibited by this team throughout the roster and throughout the game yesterday can't be pinned on the coach. If it were regular, run of the mill discipline issues, that would be the coach. This is different.I don't put it all on Freddie, but (and it's not fair) it's now Freddie's problem to fix. While I'm all-in on the Freddie bandwagon since he's the guy, I'm really curious as to how he handles this mess (and I say that because I said before I didn't think he was ready to handle a team, especially this type of team, with his experience). Honestly, I'm not trying to say I told you so... really, I'm not. But I do want to point out that Freddie's "alright, let's see what you got" moment is here, probably a little sooner than he thought.
Sidebar: I hope someone (Freddie, Dorsey) gets in Robinson's ear and lets him know that Trent Williams wouldn't have gotten ejected and basically single-handedly caused the o-line to implode on opening day. Let him chew on that all week. Along those lines, I wouldn't be too disappointed if the coaches and FO decided to make an example of someone. Releasing that bum TE that apparently can't catch or block (Harris?), replacing Robinson (would be tough to do) or Hubbard (also tough) with some Dorsey trade magic I think would send a message. I normally don't talk like this, and I cringe when people jump on here and are all like "release this guy, baaaaaaah!" but what we saw yesterday was new-low-bad. I think a strong response could be warranted.
Now the bad, but not comically bad...
Offense - We got a taste of what this offense is capable of on that first drive. I think if you strip out some of the more outlandish stupidity we saw (Robinson, Hubbard getting beat like a rented mule and Harris apparently trying to block for the first time in his career), the offense showed flashes of what it could be with lots of inconsistency. The inconsistency was what I was expecting. I did see them trying to get back on track early when it looked like the wheels might start coming off. They started running the ball fairly well, mostly. Starting hitting on some passes again. I think people that are able to look past the more ridiculous stuff will see an offense that, when it's focused and not getting in its own way, showed it can be both explosive and strong. I really was happy with the way they started to respond to adversity after initial trouble (and before it really went to hell).
Baker: I thought he did better than I think many will realize. He wasn't good, but he wasn't all that bad. He really didn't fall apart until the very end there. I was surprised he didn't start forcing things sooner. He's still a 2nd year quarterback. He got had by a saavy, grinding, well-executed Titans D. Still Baker showed some bright spots, and hung in there longer than I thought he would. What I wasn't happy about was his accuracy and occasional bouts of holding the ball. Many of his throws were off, guys had to reach all over the place.I remember seeing this last year... he seems to kind of waver, game to game, with his accuracy. Hopefully he'll bounce back in this department like he's shown he can. Don't be mistaken, the drops were also an issue, but Baker also wasn't delivering a good-enough ball.
Overall, if I were to make a ranking of things that went wrong, Baker would show up a couple times on that list, but would be fairly far down. The accuracy issue is serious, but that game was just such a cluster- that I think there are a bunch of even more serious issues to focus on first. I was lurking in the game thread but didn't post and was way too mad to come in here last night. I had expectations that this would be different-but at the end of last year I thought we should have kept everything the way it was with Williams as head coach retain most of the coordinators. I never expected to see the cluster that took place on the field yesterday. It seemed everything went wrong. You can't have continuity when there are three or four flags on a drive-both offense and defense. I don't think I have ever seen such an undisciplined game. I think the titans used the hype and the old Vrabel/New England tactics against us. I remember from the replay that Robinson was cleaned off a pile before he kicked the dude. Not giving him a pass. Myles supposedly was upset being held all the time. I thought he was going to get yanked also, but it was an open push, not a punch. They definitely got in our head, by the end of the game they were in Bakers head. I still think we did not do enough to address the offensive line-especially in the running game and that needs addressed. But with all the poor play and penalties, after Njoku scored, we were down by 2 points near the end of the third and lost by 30.
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Oh BTW other teams have film on Baker now.
He can't sneak up on defenses anymore
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The tweets commenting on this picture are hilarious.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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"They did a great job of blocking that one guy." 
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Oh BTW other teams have film on Baker now.
He can't sneak up on defenses anymore I think Baker will be fine if he wants it bad enough and is willing to work in a manner that may not necessarily be "his way". IMO, Baker will be the least of our worries for many years to come.
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"They did a great job of blocking that one guy." Is it me but whoever the two Browns in the bottom right are, they look like they are running pretty crisp routes... in the wrong direction of course, but crisp none the less
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so... the media give the Browns stupid high expectations and when we don't meet their expectations, they pummel us into the ground?
sounds about right.
we were never a 13-3 team. we are and always have been built as a .500 team. From there, we could overachieve to 10-6 or falter to 5-11 because of injuries, poor OL, or lack of coaching.
We still need time to gel and take our lumps as a team.
I really hope Freddie coaches this team back into next week's game. If not, it will be a really long season and I don't think he will survive the offseason if we don't win more than 6.
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Firing Freddie at the end of the season no matter the record would be a very Browns thing to do.
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"They did a great job of blocking that one guy." Is it me but whoever the two Browns in the bottom right are, they look like they are running pretty crisp routes... in the wrong direction of course, but crisp none the less I think the two at the top are Bitonio and Tretter. On the right possibly Kush and Chubb. On the left, Hubbard and someone I cannot recognize.
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Seeds of the Browns’ rout by the Titans were planted during the second fight-marred practice vs. the Colts
Updated 11:32 AM; Today 9:56 AM
Cleveland Browns head coach Freddie Kitchens talks with the officials after offensive tackle Greg Robinson was ejected from the game in the first half, September 8, 2019, at FirstEnergy Stadium. (John Kuntz, cleveland.com)
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Cleveland Browns head coach Freddie Kitchens talks with the officials after offensive tackle Greg Robinson was ejected from the game in the first half, September 8, 2019, at FirstEnergy Stadium. (John Kuntz, cleveland.com)
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By Mary Kay Cabot, cleveland.com
CLEVELAND, Ohio — The seeds of the Browns’ 43-13 rout by the Titans were planted during their second joint practice in Indiana last month, where they lost their composure and became involved in five separate skirmishes.
The Browns’ near-record 18 penalties for 182 yards against the Titans — including Greg Robinson kicking Kenny Vaccaro in the face and Myles Garrett whacking Delanie Walker in the mouth — can be traced back to that out-of-control day in Westfield, Ind.
The fights broke out despite the fact Freddie Kitchens and Colts coach Frank Reich vowed heading in they wouldn’t tolerate it.
Reich had seen his Colts spoil joint practices the year before with the Ravens, and he was having none of it with the Browns.
"We're football players. We're professional football players. We're not fighters," Reich said after the fights with the Ravens. "This is not the MMA, we're not in a cage, so that's unacceptable. We've got little kids up in the stands. We're role models. That's not what we're looking for.
"It’s bush league. It’s undisciplined. Teams that do that, and players who do that, lose. That’s not the team we want to be."
Kitchens also threatened consequences if the teams tussled, same as he did back in Cleveland when Chad Thomas and Pharaoh Brown exchanged punches during camp. The entire team ran gassers in the sweltering heat.
“You saw what happened last time,” Kitchens said. “We don’t practice penalties so if we start practicing penalties, there are consequences.”
But all that changed when Kitchens didn’t like his team’s practice tempo on the first day of joint practices. In fact, when a scuffle broke out between the two teams the first day, Kitchens didn’t make his players run.
“We will see what caused it and what happened and then evaluate the situation, but we’re not going to take anything from anybody either,'' he said.
Pressed further, he said, “At some point, you have to stand up for yourself. If it’s a penalty then it’s a penalty.''
On Thursday of that week, after a pep talk at the team hotel from Kitchens the night before to set their own tempo vs. the Colts the next day, the Browns were overhyped for the session and lost their cool. They engaged in five skirmishes, and during one bench-clearing scrape in which Browns linebacker Ray-Ray Armstrong threw haymakers, Reich was out on the field trying to break it up.
The Colts, I’m told, were surprised by the Browns’ approach considering the “no fights” mandate.
Again, despite almost half a dozen melees, Kitchens didn’t follow through with consequences, at least not in view of the media. Instead, they applauded themselves, ignoring the fact they lost their cool and could have suffered injuries.
“Message was received,’’ said Browns receiver Odell Beckham Jr., who sat out team drills and skirmishes in Indiana. “We came here to impose our will the same way we would do in the regular season when it comes up. We’re not backing down from anybody and I love that mentality. That’s all I’ve ever known. Like I said, you don’t want it to happen but it happens sometimes."
Kitchens also seemed pleased with the punch-'em-in-the-mouth demeanor of the second day.
“We identified that problem last night, and they came out and fixed it,’’ he said. “That (uptempo style) is how we’re going to practice.
“We learned a lot about ourselves from the standpoint of that’s how you have to approach it. You keep your tempo. Let everybody else adjust to yours, not the other way around.”
Up-tempo, intensity and toughness are great. But the Browns practiced penalties and set the tone that day in Indiana and it carried over into the opener.
Vaccaro, on the other hand, described the Titans’ philosophy.
“Vrabel just preaches that all the time, no dumb penalties, the second guy’s always the guy to get caught,’’ he said. “Coach does a great job of preparing us for those situations. We were the least-penalized team in the league last year, that’s being coached, that’s the culture, that’s what we do.
Player for player, the Browns were arguably the better team on Sunday, but they were out of control and must flip the script in a hurry. They play three night games in their next four and the pressure is on.
“At the beginning of the week, the keys were to play with greater effort and greater finish,’’ said Vrabel. “Play with better detail, technique, and fundamentals. Win the penalty battle, and win the turnover battle. You can see how that turned out.”
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I disagree, its squarely on the coach when he promotes fighting the colts and says we don't need to practice penalties. hes giving these guys free range to react however they want, and it showed.
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Firing Freddie at the end of the season no matter the record would be a very Browns thing to do. Hiring Freddie was a very Browns thing to do... see Rob Chudzinski. Neither had been a head coach. So, yes, firing him after one season would also be a Browns thing to do. Regardless, I really want to see Freddie succeed even if I didn't want him to be the HC and I wanted things to stay the same. I will go so far as saying that I want Freddie to be the HC of the Browns for the next 25 years. Time shall tell.
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I won't comment too much on specifics. I was at the game, need to watch it on film to clear up a few things. A note on that... The replays for all controversial calls were never shown at the stadium. Our whole section was actually getting heated about it. Every run of the mill play - replay. Almost any penalty - no replay. It was just stupid. Had no idea anyone got kicked in the head. Being at the game, you would think "the fix was in", because they weren't showing us how egregiously stupid our penalties were.
Really there is a single word that describes nearly everything we watched:
UN-PRE-PARED... In every aspect.
Watching live - I was a concerned about scheme, on both sides of the ball. Too many long-developing plays on offense, Baker holding the ball too long waiting for them. Defense not creating enough pressure up front, playcalling not mixing it up enough. A Greg Williams defense would have been more successful yesterday imo. Maybe it was an arrogant approach because of our talent on the defensive line. You can't beat an opposing NFL offense if you never have them "guessing".
Mixed message: During camp we spent a bunch of time in pads, "physicality" was the buzz word. Then we heard of the team running sprints because someone committed a penalty. The next day, there was a fight, and Freddie turned the other cheek - no sprints.
I think this team needs to be knocked down a notch this week. Playing physical, even playing angry, does not go hand-in-hand with playing without discipline. Maybe the message was that we were going to play like bullies and not take anyone's crap, but tantrums and undisciplined play is not the answer, regardless of officiating or what shenanigans the other team is pulling.
NOT okay -- at all.
Can't win in this league if you can't protect the QB. And no, I'm not blaming the OLine for yesterday's loss. My biggest concern is the same as it was weeks ago, an OLine on thin ice if somebody gets injured (or decides to kick opposing players in the head and gets ejected). A lot of this can be helped by scheme, max protect, two TEs, backs (if you bother to have one in the backfield on more than 20% of the plays) chipping on release, etc...
Back to the basics boys. Sadly, we have seven days to answer a lot of questions. Some of the answers may need to be drastically different than we thought they would be carrying our "hype" into week one.
HERE WE GO BROWNIES! HERE WE GO!!
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j/c:
Some heated commentary today:
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Browns are getting destroyed (and rightfully) on all platforms ... so, it’s a wake up call or it’s goodnight. The good news: It’s only one game of course
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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So much overreaction after one game.
If they beat the Jets the narrative will be did they right the ship.
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Yep, that was a BIG (and BAD) change from last year .. 11 personnel is not for us
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Yep, that was a BIG (and BAD) change from last year .. 11 personnel is not for us I think with a more mature and experienced Baker it can be. Baker is a gunslinger and likes to push the ball down the field. He likes the big play. Freddie and Monken are the same. We are stacked at the skill positions to run an offense like that. But maybe the team isn't ready. They didn't play much together in the preseason. The OL isn't tried and true. And they didn't really do it last year. Maybe they need to ease into this thing. Freddie should have pulled back the reins yesterday.
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Where is Eotabs " what did Eotab see " thread?
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Yeah, I agree ... that needs a LOT of chemistry, timing, etc ... you need a lot of time with the OL and you need your run game to also be in synch with it. You’re correct: maybe in a few weeks we can do it more frequently, but there’s no WAY we should have been so heavily reliant on it week 1 Yep, that was a BIG (and BAD) change from last year .. 11 personnel is not for us I think with a more mature and experienced Baker it can be. Baker is a gunslinger and likes to push the ball down the field. He likes the big play. Freddie and Monken are the same. We are stacked at the skill positions to run an offense like that. But maybe the team isn't ready. They didn't play much together in the preseason. The OL isn't tried and true. And they didn't really do it last year. Maybe they need to ease into this thing. Freddie should have pulled back the reins yesterday.
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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The purposeful non-showing of many replays in the stadium is part of a consideration to quit being a season ticket holder. It's ridiculous.
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I'm surprised that no one mentioned that of Mariota's 25 completed passes, only 4-5 went to WRs. He threw to his backs and TEs all day and we couldn't stop that plan...again.
Blame it on the LBs or the Ss...I don't care...but I've been watching that same movie for years now.
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I am not too worried about this team YET.
Our noob coaches might take a few games to get a handle on things, as far as discipline, flags, playcalling, etc
And our players need to gel.
I guess expecting perfection out of the gate might have been a bit ambitious. Lets give them some time.
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I'm surprised that no one mentioned that of Mariota's 25 completed passes, only 4-5 went to WRs. He threw to his backs and TEs all day and we couldn't stop that plan...again.
Blame it on the LBs or the Ss...I don't care...but I've been watching that same movie for years now. Watching the game it just had the feeling that we were being outcoached.
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I'm surprised that no one mentioned that of Mariota's 25 completed passes, only 4-5 went to WRs. He threw to his backs and TEs all day and we couldn't stop that plan...again.
Blame it on the LBs or the Ss...I don't care...but I've been watching that same movie for years now. Watching the game it just had the feeling that we were being outcoached. I don't disagree. But I don't think it was in a way we (or at least I) would typically take that to mean. The Titans didn't do anything fancy, so I don't think it was like losing a chess match. I feel like it was more that the Browns came in to the game with major assumptions and a general game plan, with an attitude that they were good enough to wing it... then they were genuinely shocked when the Titans didn't go along with that plan.
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I'm surprised that no one mentioned that of Mariota's 25 completed passes, only 4-5 went to WRs. He threw to his backs and TEs all day and we couldn't stop that plan...again.
Blame it on the LBs or the Ss...I don't care...but I've been watching that same movie for years now. People have been blaming our DL, but they were getting pressure. The difference is that Tenn called for a lot of quick passes to the backs and TEs and their qb got rid of the ball quickly. Conversely, our coaches called a lot of slower-developing plays and Baker was holding the ball too long.
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Yep, that was a BIG (and BAD) change from last year .. 11 personnel is not for us
I think with a more mature and experienced Baker it can be. I hope you are right, but I'm not sure about that. Knowing that he only had to read half the field, had max protection much of the time, and often threw to his first read after Freddie took over is somewhat telling. Baker didn't look so good in Haley's offense. He didn't look good yesterday. It seems everyone is concentrating on the OL, but the play-calling and Baker were also issues. Even the safety is evident of that. Yes, Hubbard gave up a quick pressure, but we had no one to help, and Baker held the ball way too long considering he was in the end zone. I was screaming "throw the ball..." I think it is too early to say he can't play in such an offense, but I also think it's too early to say he is a franchise qb. He's got the moxie for it. He has the arm for it. He displays leadership. I just don't know how well he gets the nuances of the position. I'm not making any predictions, but I think it's something to watch closely.
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I hope you are right, but I'm not sure about that. Knowing that he only had to read half the field, had max protection much of the time, and often threw to his first read after Freddie took over is somewhat telling. Baker didn't look so good in Haley's offense. He didn't look good yesterday. Is it really telling Vers? Are rookies expected to do those things? I'm not attacking. I'm asking a serious question. Are we holding him to too high of a standard at this stage? Although he was only asked to do those things last year, he was a rookie and he did them well. It's like he passed the first test. Now he needs to take the next step and keep adding to his game. Keep developing. All the reports coming out predraft was that he was extremely intelligent. Had excellent memory. For me, it's just processing speed. But I think he can get there with time, reps, and experience. He is by far the best prospect the Browns have drafted since the return. Got to take our time and develop him.
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Did you read my entire post? I thought I said it was too early to say he couldn't do it and that it was too early to proclaim him a franchise qb.
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Anyway..........I think the talk of Freddie and the undisciplined penalties is noteworthy. I think MKC took some liberties w/his quotes and that is lame, but some of his quotes were a bit out there. I remember saying he talks too much.
It was one game and hopefully we clean things up, but the number of undisciplined penalties was disturbing. We seemed undisciplined in multiple areas yesterday.
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I did read the entire post but you never expanded on why him only doing those things as a rookie was telling.
Should we have expected him to do those things as a rookie?
Maybe we should have. Just trying to bring some perspective.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I can’t remember which thread it was, but I remember being extremely concerned about Walker and their RBs out of the backfield ... quite simply, their WRs suck and Mariota cant throw accurately .. for us to not be prepared for their game plan is either an awful indictment on our coaching staff or lack of execution by our players
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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On the prediction thread, I was expecting a very close game. The Titans have a very talented secondary, and heck their front 7 looked better than ours as well....You can't win, when you beat yourself up first.
-We tried to be too cute,and it showed...Poor coaching and play design...execution was even worse.
-Harris is getting a lot of blame, heck Njoku should be getting more blame...This guy did NOT improve on blocking, Harris was called for the hold, but it was Njoku...saw 3 holds on Njoku alone.
-Why the hell did we can flipping our OTs,I know with the ejection and Lamm getting hurt...But made no sense to keep flipping around, made it impossible for them to get comfortable or up to speed...But we flipped them what 4 or 5 times?
-Hubbard was horrible, I think he looked iffy last year...He was manhandled yesterday.
-Greg Robinson is an idiot, and very well cost us big...He was getting hustled by 210 lb S Kenny Vacarro...and decided to kick him in his head...Line was more horrid without him.
-Vernon flashed for one play I saw, then disappeared all game...He was pressuring Mariota well in one play,Whitehead was an idiot and hit Mariota when he was going out (This was very near their own end zone, Whitehead kept that drive alive for them)
-Myles Garrett has at least one stupid penalty a game...or at least it seems...
-Richardson(DT) killed us on that drive, he had what 2 or 3 penalties that kept them alive...Knucklehead like he's nearly always been...Had a good tackle downfield I'll admit.
-Baker...poor accuracy and thought he was in Oklahoma again. I called it and said he will throw a couple picks this game, worse...he threw 3...I knew we would be rusty, but this was horrid. Ball placement issues and happy feet tends to do you in.
-Kirksey looked really good on the flat, saw him make a few plays and looks better than his down year last year.
-I honestly cant remember any LB beside Schobert and Kirksey
-Ward looked off imo...And still cant tackle.
-Burnett looked good on his blitz, went untouched though...Then He disappeared.
-Why did we keep flipping/changing returners all day...I knew Hilliard went down, but I saw Johnson and Landry flipping often.
-Ogi flashed more than anyone in our front 7
-Why do we always abandon the run? Chubb looked good
Very disappointing game...we still play like it was week 3 of the preseason (Bucs game)
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I was most concerned about our LBs coming into yesterday but they were probably the best unit on our D during the game ... Randall was quite bad, as was Ward. And Our DL ... one of our strengths ... had about 3 times too many penalties, maybe more
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I was most concerned about our LBs coming into yesterday but they were probably the best unit on our D during the game ... Randall was quite bad, as was Ward. And Our DL ... one of our strengths ... had about 3 times too many penalties, maybe more Yeah Kirksey and Scho looked well imo...I however don't recall Taylor, however I did miss some plays, and shut the game off near the end...There was times when I thought Coley would have played better than Richardson, he had a lot of dumb plays. Ward seemed timid of contact, and couldnt bring down AJ Brown...I'm not sure who was responsible for those other huge gains though. And I recall when Randall got hit with PI while jumping on Humphries before the ball got here.
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This was expected. While preseason is not a great indicator of much, it is a great indicator on personnel groupings. We ran mostly 11 personnel in the preseason. On the surface playing three wide receivers and one tight makes sense as we have three very talented wide receivers that need to be on the field and only one above-average tight end. Whether that is the best strategy with this offensive line is up for debate (especially after the first game).
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The OL play before Robinson's stupid move wasn't good at times...was bad at times...was good-enough at times...and sometimes we were busy looking for big plays rather than taking what was there...more to follow.
When Hilliard went down, it's as if we decided to quit throwing the ball to the RBs. When Higgins went down, we seemed to lose the inter-mediate/security-blanket for Baker.
The decision(s) to NOT run the ball at times were maddening...especially right after Lamm came in. How about an easy running play to get him loosened up?
I haven't seen the game yet on TV, but from the stands there was a lot of crap going on that wasn't being called on the Titans. Call it what you want....read Richardson's comments after the game...but from where I sat and the number of times fans screamed "HOLDING" while we were on D was crazy. The holding of our receivers 10 yards downfield was infuriating...uncalled...and contributed to our offensive woes. Things you don't get a chance to see on TV...just an incompletion or Baker holding the ball too long. The Titans were careful to be dirty FIRST and not retaliate. It's like a joke that everyone was "in on" except us. It doesn't condone the stupid things we did...but that game was officiated very unevenly.
I'm going to count the number of good plays we negated with a penalty and the number of difficult spots we bailed the Titans out of with a penalty.
The illegal block call on Robinson early on was replicated by the Titans on Henry's long score...but one was called and one was not. BS. The call on Randall for PI was putrid. Richardson's "roughing" penalty was bangbang and he shoved the QB...didn't "hit" him.
They won't say it publicly...but the Titans got in our heads with BS that the refs weren't calling against them..then consistently called AGAINST us. You can choose to be righteous or virtuous or above-the-fray...and the Browns should not have retaliated like they did...but that game had a lot of favorable crap for the visitors.
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I was most concerned about our LBs coming into yesterday but they were probably the best unit on our D during the game ... Randall was quite bad, as was Ward. And Our DL ... one of our strengths ... had about 3 times too many penalties, maybe more The LBs were not good. The Titans knew we couldn't stop the underneath stuff last year...and we proved that we still cannot. Four completions to WRs out of 25. No one played WELL...but the LBs were poor.
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