DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Dolphins give Minkah Fitzpatrick permission to seek trade

He was unhappy. You need to clear out the old negative energy to get all the new players to buy into winning. I doubt they would've let him go without getting a 1st rounder which can most likely replace a slot CB/safety. If he were a Myles Garrett they'd probably keep him to build around later.

J/c

There’s no doubt the Steelers saw a trend the last two weeks: Their defense had no control over the middle of the field (TE’s, drag routes, RBs, etc) .. they get Fitzpatrick who is under team control for 3 years at a cheap price.

I get the thinking ... but I’d get it more if they were secure at QB

That wasn't a cheap price.

I agree, but I’d probably pay it if I were a contender and needed help in the secondary Thing is, I’m not sure they’re a contender anymore

A lot of Miami's players have been complaining and wanting out. They were doing it even before the season started. That should make people think about what happened in our situation, but it won't. LOL

Exactly the thought process I had when I saw the trade. Exactly.

We have acquired a 2020 first-round pick, a 2020 fifth-round pick and a 2021 sixth-round pick from Pittsburgh in exchange for safety Minkah Fitzpatrick, a 2020 fourth-round pick and a 2021 seventh-round pick.

https://twitter.com/MiamiDolphins/status/1173948783408877569

IMHO, this is Trent Richardson 2.0... although Minkah had already slide in the draft.

He was far from being a stud last year.... very far...

A BIG Bounty for a Team Going Nowhere

I'm surprised some members on the board aren't singing the praises of Chris Grier.

Lol thats an unreal amount of draft ammo

They should be. The plan that he is enacting is a great way to build a team when the team is stuck in mediocrity.

The ones that understand what he is doing get the process and appreciate it.

And they'll have more. They'll be trading down multiple times in the first round and acquiring future firsts. I wouldn't be surprised if they trade out of their own first round pick to a team looking to take a QB.

Hello Miami Tua.

I think this move tells everyone what the Steelers think of Rudolph.

I do see this as a bad move, it reeks of desperation and I have no idea why.

The Steelers lost AB, they lost Bell, Ben is gone for the year, 4 of their 5 starting OL are over 30... and if Ben does come back will only have a year or two left in the tank.. they have some decent young talent but they are entering into a bit of a rebuilding phase and just gave away a ton of draft picks..

I think it just goes to prove that anyone can sell off enough assets to gain cap space and draft capital. It doesn't take a genius.

I don't think it takes a genius. It just takes someone with the right process (meaning the right way of thinking about things). It is hard not to have your process corrupted when you are in a competitive environment.

I think it just takes someone willing to fall on the sword.

But hey, at least with the Dolphins it looks like they are managing to do it all in one year instead of dragging it out longer.

Agreed. And they have a better idea of what he is than anyone else. That doesn't mean they are right and it doesn't mean he will be good.

Even if he is "good" this year what does that even mean? He's not going to be as good as Roethlisberger was last year when they missed the playoffs and they're already 0-2.

On top of all of this they are on the hook for Roethlisberger next at a cap number of $33.5M.

Like someone else said, this reeks of desperation.

If that's the case then it's even harder than I said. Imagine being hired to what probably is your dream job and then doing things that you know will get you fired.

Tanking is a strategy that has worked in both baseball (both the Astros and Cubs tanked hard and won a World Series) and basketball (the Spurs tanked to get Tim Duncan). In football it is tougher because fans anticipate the season so much that it's hard to tell them that you are basically throwing away multiple years.

From what I've heard here on Pittsburgh radio, he will play safety.

I'm not so sure about that. I mean I guess I would have to look at the average length of an NFL GM at any one job to make a determination of my opinion on that.

The thing is, a GM has a guaranteed contract. It's not like the players who only have the guaranteed portion of the money guaranteed. So even if you tank and are out on your ass in two years, most contracts are four at least four years. So you're going to get paid anyway.

And if your resume doesn't quite add up to what the league is actually looking for in a GM, that makes the temptation even sweeter.

My guess is that most people who take a GM job would prefer to be working than unemployed.

With Chris Grier it seems like everyone is on board with the plan so it'd be hard to fire him even though the team is going to be terrible for an indeterminate amount of time.

And I think this is a horrible take.

Selling off players adds to cap space. Trading away players adds draft capital.

Thank you, John Madden.

Basics are easy.

I don't think they gave up a ton of draft picks. The lower round exchanges pretty much are even. They traded their first for Fitz.

Fitz can play. He's proven that. First round picks are not a given. Think about it............C. Coleman, Njoku, Manziel, Phil Taylor, Gilber, Weeden, TRich, etc, etc.

I could be wrong, but I suspect the Steelers will probably finish in the middle of the pack. Somewhere around wins. Fitz was the 11th overall pick and is a proven commodity.

There is no right or wrong answer here and I'm not "arguing" w/you. Just a friendly debate because I don't want to be part of the other discussion [sic] that is taking place on this thread. LOL

Tells me they think he is ready to perform, and are bolstering their Def to make a run.

It also could mean that Tomlin is feeling some heat (and their GM) and want to remain as competitive as possible to avoid a big falloff

Nah. They have been grooming Mason to take over. Its now become sooner rather than later. I have no doubt they make move regardless of Bens status.

Their Def is puke, and they have not been able to address in the draft, so they use draft capital on a young and solid starter who could be really really good, and is extremely versatile.

Tomlin is getting some heat, but he isn't involved in personnel decisions. Kevin Colbert, the GM, handles those duties.

Now they don't have a #1 Pick to draft a real QB which IMO Rudolph Isn't ...

Nick Saban heaped more praise on Fitz than any other player he has ever coached.

I think Pitt made a great trade and i think folks are reading WAY WAY WAY TO MUCH into this being linked to Ben/Mason ... not referring to u ... not sure actually, i can’t remember what u said and am to lazy to go look it up ... so i guess if the shoe fits, wear it .. *L* ...

Fitz is an extremely talented 2nd year football player ... this was a GREAT LONG TERM MOVE for them ...

The fact he became free the same weekend Ben went down is 100% a coincidence IMO ... they would have made this move if Ben was still healthy ....

He’s a BALLER ....