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Whenever a quarterback takes over the starting job, you're going to hear the exact same things over and over and over again from his receivers... "*Insert name here*'s our guy." "We went and told *insert name here* we believe in him." "We think that we can make some things happen with *insert name here*."
It's funny how many people do not understand that.
It's the same with 'coach speak' and 'GM speak' and 'owner speak'.
You can't come out and say 'We're not to sure about *insert name here* 's ability. We might have to get rid of him.'
The team has to be led to believe in the coach(s) and player(s) they have......until such time as the guy is gone.
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What were your expectations of this season? Honestly, I am not expecting much this year because we are still missing in some key positions. To fully rebuild after gutting a team takes at least 3 years, then on the 4th you should compete well.
I expect slow and steady progress over the course of the season. Firstly,I'll address our D. This is their third year under the same DC and the same scheme. Did we make major upgrades? No. But we made some minor upgrades in our DL and both Wimbley and DQ are on their second year.
I feel that giving up 34 and 45 points respectively is innexcusable under that scenario. Do I expect shut outs,under 10 points? No I don't. But let's face it,what we are seeing is "zero progress" in the D with better talent and second year "top flight" LB talent.
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Heck, our QB situation isn't even secure this year! Do people honestly believe Quinn go out there and outperform the Bradys, Mannings, and Palmers in his rookie year?
On this point we completly agree. I don't expect our QB play to be great. If RAC hadn't told Phil he could get by with Frye and DA,would Phil had brought in a veteran to help stabalize the position? Your guess is as good as mine. But I think we'll see that was a very flawed plan.
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Anderson just gave us more time to better prep Quinn for his future success.
For the moment,you are correct.
But you see,steady progress means our O doesn't have to score 35-50 points a game to win. We've been told,and so was Jamal,that we're "commited to the run". Now how flawed of a plan is that when your D is giving up 40 points per game as an average? How is that progress?
And what exactly is your meaning of "compete well"? Are you saying by year three with the same DC that we should still be giving up 40 points a game? If so,we disagree.
How many OC's and DC's will it take before we see that there are major problems here? Would you be willing to see Granthom fired and give RAC another year if the D doesn't get better this year overall?
I expect a team on the field every Sunday that has a sound game plan. That if we fall behind,we make the proper adjustments at half time and come out with a different strategy.
I DON'T EXPECT our head coach to say "Well,we fell behind early and we just aren't good enough to dig out of a hole like that."
Now remember,he was talking about one and a half quarters of play to that point. The very next week,we scored 27 in the first half. How are we "not good enough to come from behind from 17 down again"?
No,I don't like having a guy telling our team "We're not good enough". That's not conducive to progress and it's bad for morale.
I DO expect us to be "competative" in year three and WINNING in year four.
So far,our D is 0-2. Our O is 1-1. And unless you feel DA is capable of playing that way on a weekly basis,we'll be in the same boat we were in last year. And that boat has a HUGE hole in it.
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Anderson had a good game, I'm not sold on him as a backup or a long term fixture in this offense. Let him play a few more games, let's look at his numbers and then go from there.
This was one of those days every single thing went right on offense.
That being said, I hope Quinn did take notes.
i'll agree the offense looked great but remember its the Bengals Defense.
How many drops did the Bengals Secondary have? They had to have at least 3 or 4 could be INTs.....
Not saying Anderson looked bad, he didnt but lets just say he was lucky on some of those throws which could of been INTs. and if they were interecepted....some of those TDs he scored wouldn't of been possible....
But lets just hope we can win some more and we can keep our QB consitant like this, lucky or not.
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No,I don't like having a guy telling our team "We're not good enough". That's not conducive to progress and it's bad for morale.
From what I saw on the field... all things considered, after he said that, morale was fine, in fact it was much improved.
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So far,our D is 0-2. Our O is 1-1.
Talk about bad for morale... let's divide the team between offense and defense and get them pointing fingers at each other that one side isn't holding up... the team is 1-1... the offense needs to build on what they did last week and find a consistent balance, the defense needs to improve.
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I still don't understand what it is some of you are looking for in a back-up??
I find if laughable some can't say the guy is good enough to be a good back-up.
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I still don't understand what it is some of you are looking for in a back-up??
I've been around here long enough to know that some people won't be happy until we have potential pro-bowl talent 2 deep at every position....
I'm all for upgrading when the opportunity presents itself, I'm also a realist. DA would be a very good back-up.
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What were your expectations of this season? Honestly, I am not expecting much this year because we are still missing in some key positions. To fully rebuild after gutting a team takes at least 3 years, then on the 4th you should compete well.
I feel that giving up 34 and 45 points respectively is innexcusable under that scenario. Do I expect shut outs,under 10 points? No I don't. But let's face it,what we are seeing is "zero progress" in the D with better talent and second year "top flight" LB talent.
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Anderson just gave us more time to better prep Quinn for his future success.
But you see,steady progress means our O doesn't have to score 35-50 points a game to win. We've been told,and so was Jamal,that we're "commited to the run". Now how flawed of a plan is that when your D is giving up 40 points per game as an average? How is that progress?
And what exactly is your meaning of "compete well"? Are you saying by year three with the same DC that we should still be giving up 40 points a game? If so,we disagree.
How many OC's and DC's will it take before we see that there are major problems here? Would you be willing to see Granthom fired and give RAC another year if the D doesn't get better this year overall?
I expect a team on the field every Sunday that has a sound game plan. That if we fall behind,we make the proper adjustments at half time and come out with a different strategy.
I DON'T EXPECT our head coach to say "Well,we fell behind early and we just aren't good enough to dig out of a hole like that."
Now remember,he was talking about one and a half quarters of play to that point. The very next week,we scored 27 in the first half. How are we "not good enough to come from behind from 17 down again"?
No,I don't like having a guy telling our team "We're not good enough". That's not conducive to progress and it's bad for morale.
I DO expect us to be "competative" in year three and WINNING in year four.
So far,our D is 0-2. Our O is 1-1. And unless you feel DA is capable of playing that way on a weekly basis,we'll be in the same boat we were in last year. And that boat has a HUGE hole in it.
I expect in year 3 of rebuilding more fight and wins, now playoff hopes and superbowl hopes are still off in the future. Year 4 and 5 is where we will see the benefits of our past 3 years' picks and FA pickups. I think a big key that is missing over all this rebuilding, unfortunately, is a reliable, steadfast coaching staff. How many coaches have come and gone over the last 3 years.
A lot of money and effort was put into our Offense in the off season. We can definitely see the attempt to fix last years' attrocity. How many times did we go to the red zone just to see 3 points or a turnover? I'd hope that our line improvements and the inclussion of Jamal will change that this year. I believe that this staff believes that our offense is darn near close to where they want it, personel wise. I have a feeling more money will be dumped into the Defense (though the pickup of Peek was huge for us this year), Quinn will get his start next year, have a solid backup in DA's experience this year, and we cheering for a playoff team.
I remember seeing Quiinn play at ND throughout his junior and senior years and wasn't too impressed with his play. There are reasons he fell so low in the first round and it seems we, the fans are missing that. He did impress me with a decent preseason play, though. Above all, I really don't want us to be let down by an ill decision in forcing Quinn to take the reigns before he is ready and our line is ready; and to see another round 1 bust through injury or inexperience(though those days may be over since Savage took over).
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I still don't understand what it is some of you are looking for in a back-up??
I've been around here long enough to know that some people won't be happy until we have potential pro-bowl talent 2 deep at every position....
I'm all for upgrading when the opportunity presents itself, I'm also a realist. DA would be a very good back-up.
I picture reliability like Pitt has in Batch. History has proven already, if Ben Roethlisberger goes down, Batch can go in and lead the team to vitcory. Thats a good backup.
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I picture reliability like Pitt has in Batch. History has proven already, if Ben Roethlisberger goes down, Batch can go in and lead the team to vitcory. Thats a good backup.
And Anderson not only led the team to victory, but had a record-setting day while doing it.
I'm not gonna get all giddy, I need to see something 3 times before I'm convinced of something. (Once is a fluke, twice is a pattern, three times is for real...you know how that saying goes)
But still, considering half (or more) of the backups in this league can barely convert a first down, I think we have a keeper in DA.
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He's got the ability to be a top notch backup. No doubt. He's the kind of guy who can come in for a game or 2 and light it up. Once teams would have an opportunity to get some film on him he would fade though. So while a top notch backup...hes a below average starter. JMHO
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Peen, is that any more laughable than just a few weeks ago calling him a "bum" and now saying that, after one game, he can be a quality backup?
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Call me crazy, but I want to see more than one Brilliant game before I decide what he is and isn't..
Anyone that makes it on an NFL roster is capable of ONE GREAT GAME.. Proof, Kelly Holcomb! For that one playoff game against Pittsburgh, the guy was Lights out,,, then bubkiss.. Average all the way...
By the way, Average is ok for a Back up I would think
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Call me crazy, but I want to see more than one Brilliant game before I decide what he is and isn't..
Anyone that makes it on an NFL roster is capable of ONE GREAT GAME.. Proof, Kelly Holcomb! For that one playoff game against Pittsburgh, the guy was Lights out,,, then bubkiss.. Average all the way...
By the way, Average is ok for a Back up I would think
Adding to this, Holcomb was the perfect backup. The guy who could go in and play well in relief and well in a spot start or two.
If he could do more, he'd have the word "starter" attached to his name, which he did and we all know how that turned out...
We're not gonna have Montana starting and Young backing him up.
By the way, Holcomb had more than one great game.
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If he can play like that every week he'll be a great starter and Brady can be the backup.
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Holcomb's skill set MIGHT have been "perfect", but he wasn't the perfect backup. He was a locker room cancer that was convinced he was much better than he was. He divded the locker room by politicking for the starting job. That's not a "perfect" player of any proportions.
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Peen, is that any more laughable than just a few weeks ago calling him a "bum" and now saying that, after one game, he can be a quality backup?
So in your coaching opinion Anderson isn't at least a NFL back-up??
So I take it the guy should be cut, because that is what I conclude from your reply. 
Sorry man, from where I sit you either don't know very much or somehow expect back-ups to be way better then they are around the league.
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No, I haven't said anything about Anderson. I just don't understand how Anderson goes from being a "bum" in your eyes a couple of weeks ago to now being a good backup....unless all backups are "bums".
I think Anderson can be a good backup. I thought the same of Frye. Neither were starting material...at least not yet.
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If he can play like that every week he'll be a great starter and Brady can be the backup.
If he can play like that every week he's on the road to Canton... let's temper our expectations... 
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DA will get brought back down to reality when we play Baltimore, I really think he'll be facing some heavy pressure that game. However, he could have another decent game, ok 5 TD's is a great game but I don't expect that again, against Oakland. Then again, maybe not? LOL All in all, I'd say he's safe as our backup once Brady Quinn is fully ready.
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Trusted friend advised Savage to land Anderson Sunday, September 23, 2007Mary Kay CabotPlain Dealer Reporter Oakland, Calif.- Browns General Manager Phil Savage was scouting a Louisville-Oregon State game in 2005 when he received a tip from his good friend Mike Riley, head coach at Oregon State. "He said the Ravens were going to waive Derek Anderson [his former Oregon State quarterback] and try to get him on their practice squad," recalled Savage. "He said, 'You really ought to take a shot on him. I don't think you'll regret it.' " Savage had received helpful advice from Riley before, when he coached under him with the San Antonio Riders of the World League of American Football. Just six weeks after Riley hired him to coach tight ends and running backs in 1991, Savage got an offer from the Browns to become a quality control assistant under Bill Belichick. "The Riders' season was just about to get under way, and I didn't want to leave [Riley] hanging," said Savage. "But he pulled me aside and basically ordered me to take the Browns job. He said, 'I've got guys that would give their right arm to go to the NFL.' " Savage obeyed - and after five years in Cleveland and nine in Baltimore, he ascended to Browns general manager. So when things unfolded as Riley said they would and the Ravens waived Anderson on Sept. 20, 2005, Savage called him back for another quick scouting report. "I told Phil that I thought Derek would be a very good pro quarterback," said Riley in a telephone interview. "I told him that I was absolutely serious - that I thought he'd be a great story some day." Savage claimed Anderson off waivers the next day and his friend's advice has been dead-on so far - Anderson's been a great story. Last season, Anderson came off the bench in his NFL debut (except for one play earlier in the season) to lead the Browns to a 31-28 overtime victory over the Chiefs. Last week, after taking over for the departed Charlie Frye, he responded with a five-touchdown, 328-yard performance in a 51-45 victory over the Bengals. Today against the Raiders, he'll try to lead the Browns to back-to-back victories in the same season for the first time in 60 games. "Let's hope Mike's second piece of advice to me works out at well as his first," kidded Savage. Riley tried to spread the word about Anderson when he was coming out in 2005 and even introduced Savage to him during warm-ups of the East-West Shrine All-Star game. But Savage already had his sights set on Akron's Frye in a middle round - and D.A. was a hard sell. "Derek had thrown a lot of interceptions his junior year (24 TDs vs. 24 INTs) and teams seemed to put a lot of stock in those junior stats," said Riley. "By the time he got really hot at the end of his senior year, teams had already overlooked him." Early in his senior year, Anderson had a bad game against Cal and OSU got crushed, 49-7. The home crowd booed him mercilessly. "I went over and put my arm around him and he was literally shaking," said Riley. "But the next day, he was the first one there watching film and waiting for us." Anderson finished the season red-hot, winning six of his last seven games. Included was a big victory over Oregon in which he threw for 351 yards and four touchdowns; and a win over Notre Dame in the Insight Bowl in which he threw for 358 yards and four touchdowns to win MVP honors. Ironically, the opposing quarterback that day was a freshman named Brady Quinn, who's now waiting his turn behind Anderson. "We didn't know each other, but I remember him having a big arm and great pocket presence, many of the same characteristics everyone saw last week against the Bengals," said Quinn. His only loss in that sizzling stretch was a 28-20 heartbreaker against eventual national champ USC, which had won 29 of 30 in the series. The Trojans' passing game coordinator that day was Lane Kiffin, now the Raiders' head coach. "[Last week's game] reminded me of him at Oregon State," said Kiffin. "When he gets rid of the ball and has time, he's got a big-time arm and real accuracy. Hopefully, he won't be in that rhythm [today]." Riley felt all along that Anderson was a better prospect than a lot of the quarterbacks in the 2005 draft, but Anderson - who threw 29 TDs against 17 INTs as a senior - slipped to Baltimore in the sixth round. The Browns picked Frye in the third round, 67th overall. "I'm really excited for Derek right now," said Riley. "No matter what happens, he keeps persevering. Like Derek would say, 'Just keep firing it downfield.' " Zastudil out: Punter Dave Zastudil (back), cornerback Gary Baxter (knee) and guard Isaac Sowells (personal reason) did not make the trip. Scott Player, signed Tuesday, will replace Zastudil. To reach this Plain Dealer reporter: mcabot@plaind.com, 216-999-4670
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Anderson answered this.... I guess the question was "Who's your INT machine?" .......  Sorry, I had to do that.
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he came back fine.
He is good enough to be the back-up answer, that was the original question of this thread.
He showed it again today IMO.
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he came back fine.
He is good enough to be the back-up answer, that was the original question of this thread.
He showed it again today IMO.
Indeed he did...
And hopefully not for more than a game or 2...
A 2nd half???...YES...5 games???...NO...
So it goes in the NFL...And that's OK...
JUST GET QUINN IN THERE...
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I think DA should keep starting as of now. Brady Quinn should sit for now IMO. DA didn't do that bad considering he only had a few possessions in the second half since our D couldn't stop Oakland's offense, now that is our real problem not DA.
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Anderson IS a real problem, and since this thread is about Anderson specifically.........
The king of hot-and-cold....well.....the worm turned. He made some HORRID decisions with the ball today, and that contributed to the loss.
Quinn should get in, but no sooner than the day when he has a complete grasp of the playbook and plenty of film-sessions. Until then, we might as well accept the fact that Anderson, with all his limitations, is our guy.
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Quinn should get in, but no sooner than the day when he has a complete grasp of the playbook and plenty of film-sessions.
I agree 100% Toad. My problem is trusting the people who are making these decisions. Quinn came in as an NFL ready QB from all reports I heard and very intelligent. If this is true I don't see any reason the kid is not ready now.
We are starting our backup and sitting our starter, and to me that just does not make sense! 
Just wait till next season, I have heard that for over 40 years!
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There's a rough transition from college to the NFL for QB's, moreso than any other position. When combined with a holdout that cause him to miss 16 sessions (I believe that's the number), he is in a deep hole. Odds are that he wouldn't do much better than Anderson right now, so rushing him doesn't do much for either himself or the team.
Furthermore, as much as it pains me to say it, we need to develop Anderson. He shows enough to be a backup, and we need to find out how high his ceiling is. Is this guy a future #2? Beating up on the defensively challenged Bengals doesn't answer anything. Just ask Holcomb.
I don't like to go to bat for Anderson. Quite frankly, I see the same stiff that I saw in college. His mind just doesn't have NFL speed. However, he stands a better chance against the Rats, if only because he has timing with our starters. Quinn doesn't.
Quinn will get in soon enough. Now really isn't the time. The bye-week is the perfect place. Let's see how RAC handles this while his butt is being burned by the hotseat.....
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he came back fine.
He is good enough to be the back-up answer, that was the original question of this thread.
He showed it again today IMO.
You want your backup completing under 50% of his passes, missing wide open targets and not looking at others, throwing more INTs than TDs and posting QB ratings under 60 against a defense that going into this week had given up the 4th most passing yards in the league?
Sorry, but the DA of old has returned from his one week hiatus... and he still stinks.
We're... we're good?
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DA didn't do that bad considering he only had a few possessions in the second half since our D couldn't stop Oakland's offense, now that is our real problem not DA.
LMAO!!! Is this something that you truly believe to be a fact? Did you watch the game????
Each team had 5 possessions in the 2nd half. Oakland's first two possessions went like this:
5 plays----19 yards----PUNT
3 plays----24 yards----FUMBLE
Cleveland scored a TD on their second 2nd half possession, but that was sandwiched in between 2 three and outs because our illustrious QB cannot see the field. Sure, he gets rid of the ball quicker but Lord only knows where it's going..........
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LMAO!!! Is this something that you truly believe to be a fact? Did you watch the game????
Each team had 5 possessions in the 2nd half. Oakland's first two possessions went like this:
5 plays----19 yards----PUNT
3 plays----24 yards----FUMBLE
Cleveland scored a TD on their second 2nd half possession, but that was sandwiched in between 2 three and outs because our illustrious QB cannot see the field. Sure, he gets rid of the ball quicker but Lord only knows where it's going..........
Now I realize DA isn't the long term answer but as bad as he may have looked yesterday he still put us in a position to win and that's what counts. It's not DA's fault the 2nd FG attempt was blocked.
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And it's not the defenses fault that DA threw the ball right to two different linebackers and missed a WIDE open tight end in the end zone.
The obvious (or not-so obvious) point is that winning and losing does NOT cure all.
Would have winning yesterdays game changed how Anderson played during the game?
Not in the slightest.
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Anderson has shown the ability to come into the game cold and play a competent game. He'll be a fine backup.
At this point, he has started 5 games, and played well in 3 of them. He played so-so yesterday, and poorly against Tampa last season. He's a young guy. If this was his 15th start, I'd be more concerned. As it is, I see enough to think that he'll be OK as Quinn's backup.
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Anderson has shown the ability to come into the game cold and play a competent game. He'll be a fine backup.
At this point, he has started 5 games, and played well in 3 of them. He played so-so yesterday, and poorly against Tampa last season. He's a young guy. If this was his 15th start, I'd be more concerned. As it is, I see enough to think that he'll be OK as Quinn's backup.
How low are our standards? Since when is a "so-so" game one where a quarterback puts up a 57.0 QB rating? I call that horrible. DA has played well in the KC game that he subbed into (not a start), he played well for half of the Baltimore game and he played well versus the Bengals.
The thing that kills me isn't even his stat line, it's watching him play. It's watching him miss Heiden wide open in the end zone on a throw that even I could make. It's watching him ignore Jurevicius (who looked disgusted after the play) as he makes a poor decision to throw to the shorter route into coverage. It's watching him throw to a guy on a slant without even seeing the linebacker camped out waiting for the throw. It's locking onto receivers overthrowing, throwing behind and throwing all over the place.
He doesn't have the accuracy or the smarts to cut it in the league. I can't watch a 57.0 QB rating and say this guy deserves to be our backup.
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he came back fine.
He is good enough to be the back-up answer, that was the original question of this thread.
He showed it again today IMO.
If Frye had a game like that you and Ammo would be out looking for a Hit Man.
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he came back fine.
He is good enough to be the back-up answer, that was the original question of this thread.
He showed it again today IMO.
If Frye had a game like that you and Ammo would be out looking for a Hit Man.
Not if it was the back-up in the game.
That is what you guys haven't figured out yet.
The question isn't is the guy good enough to be the starter.
Face it....you guys are still sore your man got cut from the team.
Once you get past that and look at things the way they are, then you might have a chance of understanding.
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he came back fine.
He is good enough to be the back-up answer, that was the original question of this thread.
He showed it again today IMO.
If Frye had a game like that you and Ammo would be out looking for a Hit Man.
Not if it was the back-up in the game.
That is what you guys haven't figured out yet.
The question isn't is the guy good enough to be the starter.
Face it....you guys are still sore your man got cut from the team.
Once you get past that and look at things the way they are, then you might have a chance of understanding.
I'm past it Peen. I could see that Charlie was done in this town. But I do think he would have been a much better backup than DA. The Browns could hardly get a play off in the 1st half. Not that that was DA's fault but for the guys that said Frye was inaccruate, Sunday they saw real inaccuracy.
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Frye could scramble but not pass. Anderson can't scramble, but can get hot as an NFL passer. That makes him the better QB.
Sad part is that at one time I favored Frye over Anderson, even if I thought the battle was for who would be the better backup 
The kicker is this: You don't need a backup to be as good as a starter, but you do need him to be able to use all the playbook. Well, Frye couldn't do that. He shouldn't have been here on opening day to begin with. That falls into the lap of Crennel and Savage.
Is Anderson good enough to be a starter? No. Is he good enough to be a backup? Yeah, probably is.
Keep in mind that Frye got 19 starts when the pro-Frye crowd clamored that he needed more time. Well, Anderson now has his 5th start.
I know Anderson doesn't have the mental game to be a starter, but he has far more upside as a backup than Frye does. The truth is that while he played a bad first half, Frye couldn't have made the throws that put us in a position to kick the field goal at the end, and it's not like Frye ever showed any more consistency than Anderson has.
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Anderson IS a real problem, and since this thread is about Anderson specifically.........
The king of hot-and-cold....well.....the worm turned. He made some HORRID decisions with the ball today, and that contributed to the loss.
Quinn should get in, but no sooner than the day when he has a complete grasp of the playbook and plenty of film-sessions. Until then, we might as well accept the fact that Anderson, with all his limitations, is our guy.
DA's problem, like all of our QBs is that he's young, thats it. Even so-called top notch picks like Leinart are having problems and he has 2 years under his belt and arguably better talent around him. I know these figures are fluffed up because of the cinci game, but hopefully you get the point. Like anything in life, when you are young, you are going to make a lot of mistakes.
DA's stats
Co Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate
51 98 52.0 32.7 760 7.8 253.3 7 4 37 37.8 37T 15 0 2 84.6
Leinart's stats
Co Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate
46 85 54.1 28.3 454 5.3 151.3 2 3 23 27.1 40 4 1 2 62.6
I agree that Quinn doesn't go in untill he has mastered the playbook and film. I hope when Quinn does go in, we don't have as much problems as the Cards and Niners have with Leinart and Smith, repectively. My hope relies on how smart everybody claims Quinn to be. This program's future offensive success is on his shoulders. I think Cleveland has all the talent they need on offense as far as the line and skilled positions. If Quinn is solid, then the focus can be put exclusively on making much needed defensive moves.
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DA's problem, like all of our QBs is that he's young, thats it.
NO...It's not
He does a couple things I like...He does in fact have an arm...And he does in fact get rid of it quickly...Sometimes TOO QUICK...He's got very little gifted pocket presence...He can't feel pressure...Sometimes he gets rid of it too quickly...And misses wide open guys when he's got all day to throw...Jurevicious comes to mind in this one...THAT'S A PROBLEM...
Youth is a problem when you're adjusting to the speed of the game...Learning to read coverages...Learning a playbook...Timing with receivers...These are problems that can come with time...
INACCURACY... Now there's the REAL problem...Whether it be from his footwork is really not important...What's important is that he makes throws under ZERO PRESSURE that just make u say "WTF WAS THAT GOIN???"...That's a MAJOR PROBLEM...
U cannot display his type of consistent inaccuracy at this level...It will KILL drives at any time...YOUTH has very little to do with it...He has always been a low 50's percent QB...If it was in having YOUTH related problems reading coverages...He could very well improve those completion figures...IT'S NOT...He's flat out not an accurate QB...It's the one thing he's consistent at...
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Whether it be from his footwork is really not important...
Actually, it is sort of important... As much as others on this board think that NFL players should have all of the fundamentals down when they reach the NFL, fact is many don't.
Improving footwork, which in turn improves accuracy and consistency, is something which is is very coachable and very teachable and just involves somebody working with him on a constant basis... and something I dare say, he's never had until now...
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It will KILL drives at any time...YOUTH has very little to do with it...He has always been a low 50's percent QB...If it was in having YOUTH related problems reading coverages...He could very well improve those completion figures...
See, we disagree again... I think his inability to read coverages would be significantly harder to fix than his accuracy... There are drills which can be done to improve footwork through repitition and once he gets better at it, that will never go away... reading coverages is a constantly changing, week to week, thing.. and I just don't think he'll ever be really good at it.
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