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For Ukraine help, Giuliani turned to unlikely Florida fixers

https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-help-giuliani-turned-unlikely-201513947.html

MAGA: my attorneys got attorneys


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Lol, y’all should check out his twitter feed. Trump is lashing out like a hit dog.



This is how our POTUS talks about others. Great example he’s setting to our country. Really holding his head up high, here. Smh


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Former Ukrainian prosecutor: I'm not aware of 'any possible violation of Ukrainian law' by the Bidens

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/3789411002

So, the former AND current prosecutors for Ukraine said he Bidens didn’t break the law.

But don’t worry, Erik and others will tell us this is fake news, and to go read some book on Amazon in the bargain bin as proof of wrongdoing, like they did with uranium one.


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Qanon predicted all of this.

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Former Ukrainian prosecutor: I'm not aware of 'any possible violation of Ukrainian law' by the Bidens

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/3789411002

So, the former AND current prosecutors for Ukraine said he Bidens didn’t break the law.

But don’t worry, Erik and others will tell us this is fake news, and to go read some book on Amazon in the bargain bin as proof of wrongdoing, like they did with uranium one.


I love that story! It says that Trump keeps repeating "without evidence" Joe Biden's corruption. Biden bragged about withholding money.

I swear these people would ignore their own crotch being on fire if it went against their narrative.


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Lol. You might want to go look at why Biden was bragging about it. Again, the information is out there. But you’re Qanon nonsense won’t allow you to see the truth.

But please, keep harping on Biden as if anyone of us actually cares what happens to him. Us liberals on the board want warren or sanders anyway. We don’t care what happens to Biden, even though we ALL know nothing will happen to him cause he did nothing wrong.

Unlike your boy trump.


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Lol, y’all should check out his twitter feed. Trump is lashing out like a hit dog.



This is how our POTUS talks about others. Great example he’s setting to our country. Really holding his head up high, here. Smh


Well, he sure does things with a sense of style, I'll give him that.

On the other hand, POTUS44 endured 8 years of Foxabuse, GOP obstruction, accusations of foreign-born illegitimacy and even "You lie!" at a SOTU address... but never even once cried like a whiny little twitch. This one's whine is her daily default setting. Such a little Debbie Debutante.

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"Style... it's second cousin to class."


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Lol, y’all should check out his twitter feed. Trump is lashing out like a hit dog.



This is how our POTUS talks about others. Great example he’s setting to our country. Really holding his head up high, here. Smh


Well, he sure does things with a sense of style, I'll give him that.

On the other hand, POTUS44 endured 8 years of Foxabuse, GOP obstruction, accusations of foreign-born illegitimacy and even "You lie!" at a SOTU address... but never even once cried like a whiny little twitch. This one's whine is her daily default setting. Such a little Debbie Debutante.

Prince was right:
"Style... it's second cousin to class."


Fox abuse? One news outlet vs. 50 or more, when you add up all the lib papers. And 44 whined about fox all the time.

"You lie"? If you like your plan, you can keep your plan.

Whined about the news?
https://www.factcheck.org/2018/09/obama-fox-news-and-the-free-press/

Anita Dunn, who was then the White House director of communications, told the New York Times in an interview on Oct. 11, 2009, that Fox News was not a legitimate news organization.

“We’re going to treat them the way we would treat an opponent,” Dunn told the Times. “As they are undertaking a war against Barack Obama and the White House, we don’t need to pretend that this is the way that legitimate news organizations behave.”

She also said, when asked about snubbing “Fox News Sunday” with Chris Wallace, “we’re not going to legitimize them as a news organization.”

Same thing, different wording.


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Relentless tripe and whataboutisms... Trump broke the law, again. He's a crook, he thinks laws don't apply to him, and he knows he has millions of dupes that will back him. Don't be a dupe.

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They aren’t because they already know it’s indefensible.

That’s why all they can go is “the dems” and then play what about.


I did already. I haven't been posting on this as it's pointless to argue with a dem that's been convinced that Trump stole the election since the election. As I said before, same scam, new package.


rofl “Russia if you’re listening”.


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Relentless tripe and whataboutisms... Trump broke the law, again. He's a crook, he thinks laws don't apply to him, and he knows he has millions of dupes that will back him. Don't be a dupe.


Like you? You believe just about everything left wing media tells you. Obummer constantly called fox news "illegitimate". Trump calls the msm "fake news". You do know what a synonym is, right? Obummer lied knowingly about his health care plan. Trump lies about things too, especially during negotiations. Obummer lied to the people, Trump lies to democrats. Two sides of the same coin.


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NONE of that has anything to do with Trump asking ANOTHER country to interfere in the elections AGAIN! Bro, get a grip.

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Yes. Was just literally explained to you.


How much pledge have you gone through while practicing your spinning?



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How much shame and corruption are GOPer Trumpians willing to let Trump get away with bringing to the office?

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NONE of that has anything to do with Trump asking ANOTHER country to interfere in the elections AGAIN! Bro, get a grip.


Still willfully ignorant, I see. Asking a country to investigate a crime is not election interference, especially when that crime was committed in that country.

I suspect that you would prefer a democrat to win, even if they did take part in corruption in another country, just to have a democrat win.

Here's a little clue for you, Trump was cleared of any conspiracy in the election. Biden was brokering deals for his son (could also be called taking bribes) with a foreign power. No investigation has taken place yet.


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lol just, Erik is trying so hard. Trumps own administration can’t even spin it as well as Erik. Maybe Erik should go work for his fuhrer in the WH.


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Withholding aid while putting that request out there is illegal. Making that request for personal political gain is illegal. GMAB

I don't think you are willfully ignorant. There is nothing willful about it.

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Obummer lied knowingly about his health care plan. Trump lies about things too....


Yes. President Obama lied about this. Ultimately I still have a doctor. I still don’t have an affordable healthcare plan. Which leads me away from the past, which can’t be changed, to today..,

Corporal Bone Spurs lied by saying he had a plan for healthcare... (and the infrastructure, he pretty much lied about having a plan, any plan about anything, except lowering taxes for his big business buddies... which he did without haste.) ... Here we are three years later... how’s that healthcare plan he laid out?
Dude is a pathologically lying sack of crap without a plan to help the average man. It was never his intent. It’s not ever been in his blood to help anyone except himself and his cronies. Period.

I’ll take President Obama’s healthcare ‘lie’ with intent to help, over orange man’s lies without action.


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I'm going to break this down for you in hopes you'll comprehend it. And for all the other Trumpians that keep claiming it's nothing.

First let's look at one undeniable fact. Trump was holding back hundreds of millions in military money that was already appropriated for Ukraine. He knew it at the time of this phone call and so did Zelenskyy. It was a carrot being held over his head. Now let's get to the important parts, shall we?

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The President: Well it is very nice of you to say that. I will say that we do a lot for Ukraine. We spend a lot of effort and a lot of time. Much more than the European countries are doing and they should be helping you more than they are. Germany does almost nothing for you. All they do is talk and I think it's something that you should really ask them about. When I was speaking to Angela Merkel she talks Ukraine, but she ·doesn't do anything. A lot of the European countries are the same way so I think it's something you want to look at but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine.[b] I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine.


Translation; We do a lot for you but you do nothing for us. And if we don't help you, nobody else will.

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The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it. I would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with Ukraine, they say Crowdstrike... I guess you have one of your wealthy people... The server, they say Ukraine has it. There are a lot of things that went on, the whole situation. I think you're surrounding yourself with some of the same people. I would like to have the Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it. As you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named Robert Mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with Ukraine. Whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible.


Translation; I have a totally unsubstantiated conspiracy theory that a Democratic server may now be located in Ukraine. Could you look into that for me? HDS (Hilary derangement syndrome) I'm going to have my personal lawyer who has no official government capacity help along with involving the justice department who in theory should remain neutral.

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The President: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved. Mr. Giuliani is a highly respected man. He was the mayor of New York City, a great mayor, and I would like him to call you. I will ask him to call you along with the Attorney General. Rudy very much knows what's happening and he is a very capable guy. If you could speak to him that would be great. The former ambassador from the United States, the woman, was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.


Translation; I have a political opponent I'm trying to dig up dirt on. since I told you earlier that we do a lot for you and you do nothing for us and since I'm holding hundreds of millions of dollars of military aid over you head, I'm asking you to try and dig up dirt on him and his son.

Yes, I'm asking a foreign power to help me attack my political enemies.

When involving Guliana you may wish to take a look at The Logan Act. But probably not.

Turning the DOJ into a political tool to attack his personal enemies is about as whacked as you can get. I'm still looking into the laws that violates. The American tax payers are not paying the salary of the DOJ to be political lackey's for Trump.

So you keep making excuses.


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https://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-wallac...ng-my-question/

This just dropped. Omfg lolololol. Everybody please watch this. Stephen Miller completely dodges questions from Chris Wallace and just sticks to trumps talking points.

Chris Wallace is basically arguing with Erik lmfao


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lol just, Erik is trying so hard. Trumps own administration can’t even spin it as well as Erik. Maybe Erik should go work for his fuhrer in the WH.


Eric is as close to a Russian bot as any of them I’ve ran across on the net. Just saying.


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This is what the president actually said.

Translation: This is what I wished the president said because I don't like him.

You sound like a preacher interpreting the bible for his own benefit.


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https://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-wallac...ng-my-question/

This just dropped. Omfg lolololol. Everybody please watch this. Stephen Miller completely dodges questions from Chris Wallace and just sticks to trumps talking points.

Chris Wallace is basically arguing with Erik lmfao


In all your years, you've never heard of a politician not answering a leading question. What a simple life you must lead.


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Intent to help? I'd be a lot better off today if they'd keep their intentions to themselves. Please stop helping me.


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You crack me up. You know exactly what he meant and it's exactly like I said. It's as plain as the nose on your face and you did nothing to dispute it.

You must be a Navy man because you're certainly willing to go down with the ship.


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[quote=PitDAWG]You crack me up. You know exactly what he meant and it's exactly like I said. It's as plain as the nose on your face and you did nothing to dispute it.

You must be a Navy man because you're certainly willing to go down with the ship.

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Are you threatening my life and family? I know exactly what you meant due to hire you always interpret others.


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Are you threatening my life and family?



Man you must be sick to even ask that! You know damn well he did nothing remotely like that! Deplorable.

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Lol he’s lashing out now. Sad to watch


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https://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-wallac...ng-my-question/

This just dropped. Omfg lolololol. Everybody please watch this. Stephen Miller completely dodges questions from Chris Wallace and just sticks to trumps talking points.

Chris Wallace is basically arguing with Erik lmfao


It's no wonder guys like Erik and others on here think Trump is infallible, watch this crap they see everyday. Mark Levin, for a man with his life experiences, is disgusting. Bill Barr 2.0.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/chris-wallac...ng-my-question/

This just dropped. Omfg lolololol. Everybody please watch this. Stephen Miller completely dodges questions from Chris Wallace and just sticks to trumps talking points.

Chris Wallace is basically arguing with Erik lmfao


Man, all those whataboutisms and gaslights make my head hurt.

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Are you threatening my life and family?



Man you must be sick to even ask that! You know damn well he did nothing remotely like that! Deplorable.


If he can interpret whatever he wants, so can I.


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Lol he’s lashing out now. Sad to watch


Actually, I've been laughing at all you libs all week.


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So here are some thoughts on why this is different...

It is easy to understand. Trump withheld congress approved aid for information on Hillary’s sever and an investigation of the Biden’s. Both are tied to his chances for reelection.

Rudy and other personal layers are trying to obtain the same information.

Trump links Rudy to Bill Barr. Is this a personal effort or an administration effort?

The DOJ and the White House became involved in efforts to quench the complaint when they had no statutory authority to do so. We can go back and forth on the merits, but the White House and DOJ were clearly aware of the potential damage contained in the complaint.

The complaint itself has proven to be accurate in many areas. Many of the bits were known or reported prior to the complaint.

Mitch may have had enough. It was not a good sign the Schumer vote was allowed.

On the other hand I don’t think the server stash is as bad as made out. But I bet that server contains some popcorn worthy material.


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Hey newsflash!
Trump ain't going anywhere.

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Hey newsflash!
Trump ain't going anywhere.


if you mean he isnt escaping to moscow, then i agree.


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Hey newsflash!
Trump ain't going anywhere.


if you mean he isnt escaping to moscow, then i agree.


He may be impeached, but he ain't being convicted by the Senate.

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Hey newsflash!
Trump ain't going anywhere.


if you mean he isnt escaping to moscow, then i agree.


He may be impeached, but he ain't being convicted by the Senate.


ill give you that. but we will see. depends on what info comes out, such as what other communications trump was hiding in that server.

there's a chance trump put the GOP in a position where they simply have no choice.


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Hey newsflash!
Trump ain't going anywhere.


if you mean he isnt escaping to moscow, then i agree.


He may be impeached, but he ain't being convicted by the Senate.


ill give you that. but we will see. depends on what info comes out, such as what other communications trump was hiding in that server.

there's a chance trump put the GOP in a position where they simply have no choice.


If the GOP senate kicks out Trump, they , the GOP, they will use every senate seat up for election in 2020. We will revolt.

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