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They also made up the Biden rule. This is how a dictatorship works. Make up the rules as you go.


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They also made up the Biden rule. This is how a dictatorship works. Make up the rules as you go.


McConnell is using Biden’s own words from 1992, when George H.W. Bush was president and Biden was chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, to explain why he intends to block President Barack Obama’s Supreme Court pick in an election year.

"The Senate will continue to observe the Biden Rule so that the American people have a voice in this momentous decision" on who to name to the court, McConnell said in a March 16 speech on the floor of the Senate.

McConnell went on to quote some words from then-Judiciary Chairman Biden to show why the Senate’s disagreement with Obama is "about a principle, not a person."

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Yet it isn't an actual rule or law.


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So you are saying Cotton Eyed Joe was embellishing another story when he said what he said?

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So what does that have to do with Trump asking foreign governments to investigate his political rivals? Not only did he ask them to investigate Biden, but also to look into some wild conspiracy about Hillary's server.

You guys talk about TDS and you've all had HDS for going on a decade now.

Bait and switch is a very old con game used by carnival barkers like Trump forever and you just follow suit.

So let me get this straight. Trump wants to fight corruption but the only corruption he's fighting is what he claims comes from Biden and Hillary?

Mmmm hmmmmm....


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So what does that have to do with Trump asking foreign governments to investigate his political rivals?


It has "deflection" in common.... that's literally all they have


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So what does that have to do with Trump asking foreign governments to investigate his political rivals?


The President is the head of the Executive Branch of Government.
He has the FBI and Justice Departments answering to him.
It is his responsibility to have crimes investigated, no matter who the criminal is.

I suppose you would expect Trump to turn a blind eye if he spotted Liz Warren robbing a bank?

The Bidden investigation in Ukraine had already begun long before Trumps conversation with Ukraine's President.

Facts make you free.

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It had actually already been finished and concluded before Trump had his conversation with the president of Ukraine.

Former Ukraine prosecutor says he saw no evidence of wrongdoing by Biden

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-09-29/former-ukraine-prosecutor-says-no-wrongdoing-biden

There's no evidence for Trump's Biden-Ukraine accusations. What really happened?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-el...s-what-n1057851

So you can quit pretending Trump had anything other than political motivation in mind.


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Honest question: When Biden, as VP, told Ukraine "I'll be with holding the Billion dollars in aid if you don't fire the prosecutor within 6 hours".....the prosecutor looking into his son's all of a sudden wonderful job.........what did he mean?

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Honest question: When Biden, as VP, told Ukraine "I'll be with holding the Billion dollars in aid if you don't fire the prosecutor within 6 hours".....the prosecutor looking into his son's all of a sudden wonderful job.........what did he mean?


how many different ways must it be explained to you? the SAME prosecutor already said the investigation into the gas company started BEFORE biden's son was working for them. Hunter had nothing to do with that investigation.

Biden AND the EU wanted that prosecutor gone. and then republicans in the senate - some STILL in senate - signed a bipartisan letter supporting anti-corruption efforts in ukraine before trump was president.

learn to freaking read.


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but once again, Arch will come back in a few days still parroting debunked nonsense.


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It had actually already been finished and concluded before Trump had his conversation with the president of Ukraine.



Yeah, it was finished the day Biden had the Chief Prosecutor fired.

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Context is everything. Many nations were trying to get that prosecutor removed. The United states and many other Western European officials were trying to get him removed for allowing corruption to flourish in Ukraine.

This wasn't an effort to get dirt on a political opponent. Intent is crucial here.


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It had actually already been finished and concluded before Trump had his conversation with the president of Ukraine.



Yeah, it was finished the day Biden had the Chief Prosecutor fired.


No, no actually it wasn't. But you've never been one to let facts get in your way so I won't bother with it.


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It had actually already been finished and concluded before Trump had his conversation with the president of Ukraine.



Yeah, it was finished the day Biden had the Chief Prosecutor fired.


No, no actually it wasn't. But you've never been one to let facts get in your way so I won't bother with it.


Well at least you didn't try to say Biden didn't have the Chief Prosecutor fired. thumbsup

You are getting there.

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He and a lot of our lies were trying hard to get it done. And Joe came through!


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Context is everything. Many nations were trying to get that prosecutor removed. The United states and many other Western European officials were trying to get him removed for allowing corruption to flourish in Ukraine.

This wasn't an effort to get dirt on a political opponent. Intent is crucial here.


So, many nations were trying to get that prosecutor removed due to corruption in other nations eyes. Do I have that right?

And all of a sudden, Biden decides to with hold a Billion dollars as the prosecutor was investigating Biden's son?

Ironic.


Hell, I wish my dad could set me up with a $50,000 a month job of which I had no clue about how to do the job.

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Well some people comprehend that many nations who were our allies were trying to accomplish the e3xact same goal and some people want to twist it into something else.

Just like some believe Trump cares about corruption by only targeting his political opponents and nobody else.

I mean if you wish to bring up irony....


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So, with holding the aid due to the prosecutors intention of looking into biden and his son is fine.

Got it. Colors? Shown.

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lets not forget about paul manafort's connections to ukraine. man, Trump seems to know a bunch of people with ties there.

Trump-Ukraine scandal puts spotlight on Rudy Giuliani's business ties. Is he a 'foreign agent'?

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WASHINGTON — Rudolph Giuliani’s ties to Ukraine stretch back to at least 2008, when he announced that his firm was advising a former boxing champion who was running to be mayor of the capital city of Kiev.

Then, in 2017, about a year before President Donald Trump hired him to be his personal attorney, Giuliani Safety & Security began working for the city of Kharkiv in northeast Ukraine. Press releases described the firm as a consultant on Kharkiv's emergency response and security issues.

Giuliani’s emergence as a central figure in an effort to push Ukraine to investigate Trump’s potential presidential rival – a scandal that has led to an impeachment inquiry – has raised fresh questions about the former New York City mayor’s business ties and public appearances in Ukraine and other countries. One possible line of inquiry – and one that Senate Democrats have been pushing – is whether Giuliani's activities violate a federal law that requires Americans who work on behalf of foreign governments to register with the Justice Department.

This comes as the Justice Department has stepped up its use of the Foreign Agents Registration Act, or FARA, an 80-year-old law that Democrats say Giuliani may be violating. Once toothless and antiquated, the statute found its way into the public consciousness in the last two years at the height of the investigation into Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election and has been used to prosecute several people, including two men who once were close Trump advisers.

The ramped-up enforcement has dramatically changed the landscape not only for lobbyists for foreign governments, but also for others with foreign clients: international law firms, consultants and public relations specialists who, for years, have ignored FARA, experts say.

Some don't register because of the administrative burden and the stigma of being labeled a “foreign agent,” experts say. Parties also avoid registering in order to keep relationships with foreign governments and officials secret.

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Giuliani, who did not respond to requests for comment and has hired a former Watergate prosecutor to represent him, told the Washington Post that his work for foreign governments doesn't require him to register because it doesn’t involve lobbying the U.S., and he dismissed questions about his foreign clients as "diversions by Democrats."

But legal experts say Giuliani's comments represent a misunderstanding of how broad the FARA statute is, and the Justice Department's renewed focus on enforcing it should put him on notice.

"I think at the very least, the Department of Justice would be justified in taking a very close look at the arrangements that (Giuliani) has with these foreign principals. ... Given the backdrop, given the new changes in enforcement priorities, this would seem to be a case that would be ripe for the DOJ to at least ask questions," said Josh Rosenstein, a Washington, D.C. lawyer who advises clients on FARA.

A Justice Department spokesman declined to comment.

Rudy Giuliani: From 'America's mayor' to Trump's pit bull: he emerges as central figure in Ukraine firestorm

Ukraine ties under scrutiny
Giuliani’s business ties in Ukraine spilled into public view in September, following a whistleblower’s allegations that he was a “central figure” in an effort to pressure the country’s newly elected president into investigating former vice president Joe Biden and his son, Hunter.

House Democrats have subpoenaed records, including contracts that Giuliani and his security consulting firm had with his Ukrainian clientele. The long list of documents that the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence has demanded suggests a broad inquiry into possible FARA violations.

Among the documents requested pertain to “engagements, consulting, advising, or lobbying work” done by Giuliani or his firm on behalf of Ukrainian officials.

One of the Ukrainian clients that House investigators are focusing on is Pavel Fuks, a wealthy Ukrainian-Russian developer, who hired Giuliani’s firm to help improve Kharkiv's emergency services and international image. Fuks previously described Giuliani as a “lobbyist” for the city and for Ukraine.

“It is very important for me that such person as Giuliani tells people that we are a good country, that people can do business with us. That’s what we would like to bring to America’s leaders,” Fuks told the New York Times in June.

Experts say this comment should catch the attention of the Justice Department.

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“That’s precisely the type of activity that is within FARA’s scope,” said Matthew Sanderson, another Washington lawyer who advises clients on FARA. “FARA covers lobbying, but it also covers much more than that, including any effort to burnish the reputation of a foreign entity” among members of the American public.

David Laufman, a former Justice Department official who oversaw the enforcement of FARA, was more cautious, saying that if Giuliani were representing a foreign country to influence an “official action” by the United States, his actions “could come within the scope” of FARA.

Other Ukrainian officials named in the subpoena are Gennady Kernes, mayor of Kharkiv, and Vitaly Klitschko, mayor of Kiev. Giuliani advised Klitschko during Klitschko's 2008 mayoral bid. The Kiev mayor and former boxing champion visited Giuliani last July.


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Giuliani's business ventures involving Eastern Europe have been guided in part by a company that boasted of doing image consulting to companies and clients with Kremlin ties. TriGlobal Strategic Ventures, a consulting firm whose website lists locations in Moscow, Kiev, New York, London, Zurich and Vienna, has a longstanding business relationship with Giuliani. Among TriGlobal's clients, according to older versions of the firm's website, was Transneft, Russia's state-owned oil pipeline giant that's subject to U.S. economic sanctions.

Simply having business ties in the form of consulting work with foreign governments is not enough to require registration under FARA, experts say. But little is publicly known about Giuliani's contracts with foreign governments. His firm, for example, had not disclosed how much it was paid for his consulting work, or what the terms of its contracts are.

“DOJ may very well want to ask questions … to get to the bottom of what the facts really are,” Rosenstein said.

Giuliani’s proximity to the president also could raise questions about whether foreign officials with whom he is connected are using the relationship to get information about U.S. policy, experts say.

“That’s arguably registrable under FARA, so you can very quickly get into troubled waters,” Sanderson said.

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Are speaking engagements covered by FARA?
Giuliani kept another side gig even after he became Trump’s personal attorney.

In October 2018, he attended a conference in Armenia, where he met with the country's acting defense minister. Two months later, he met with the king of Bahrain. In both meetings, relations with the United States were discussed, according to the two countries.

Former New York City Mayor, Rudy Giuliani, delivers a speech about Iran in Warsaw, Poland, on Feb. 13, 2019.
Former New York City Mayor, Rudy Giuliani, delivers a speech about Iran in Warsaw, Poland, on Feb. 13, 2019.
In February, he traveled to Poland, where he spoke in front of hundreds of supporters of the Mujahedeen-e-Khalq, or MEK, a controversial Iranian dissident group, and called for a regime change in Iran. Months later, he was in Albania, speaking for the same group, which the United States once labeled a terrorist organization.

These public appearances were among the several activities that merit an investigation, Senate Democrats wrote in a letter urging the Justice Department’s FARA unit to begin an inquiry.

But Laufman, who left the Justice Department in early 2018, said the types of activities the senators cited do not, on their face, violate the statute. Merely giving paid speeches to foreign groups, whether in the United States or in other countries, does not require registration – unless the speech was part of an effort to influence foreign policy and public opinion in the U.S, he said.

"There would have to be a full exploration of facts to determine whether a speech as described in and of itself would trigger an obligation to register," Laufman said.

Rosenstein said Giuliani’s ties to MEK should set off alarm bells.

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Giuliani has acknowledged that MEK has been his client for more than a decade, and he has spoken on behalf of the group during events held in Washington – which then raises questions, Rosenstein said, about whether the speech was intended to influence the American public.

Giuliani also has not said whether he was paid for the speeches, but high-profile speakers at MEK rallies routinely get paid tens of thousands of dollars.

For 50 years, the Justice Department used the FARA statute in only seven criminal cases. Laufman said that changed in 2015, when the department began a more aggressive enforcement of the law.

The number of FARA cases has more than doubled in the last two years, largely because of the prosecutions from special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Among those who have been prosecuted are two men who were in Trump's inner circle: former national security adviser Michael Flynn, who has yet to be sentenced, and former 2016 campaign chairman Paul Manafort, who is in prison. Greg Craig, Barack Obama’s former White House counsel, was also charged; he was later acquitted.

“FARA itself and its enforcement really should no longer be viewed as sort of this sleepy old legal regime,” Rosenstein said. “And instead, you’ve seen a real awakening of the regulators.”

In Giuliani’s case, there’s a “real and present danger” that he would end up violating the law, Sanderson said.

“One contact (with a foreign government) or one act can trigger registration, so he certainly should be careful, particularly when he’s throwing stones at others,” Sanderson added.


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rofl

And targeting no other people than your political opponents for no other possible reason seems to be fine with you.

Pot meet kettle.

I don't know why you feel the need to keep running down these rabbit holes. You try it every once in a while only to run away with your tail tucked between your legs. Then after a while, you pop up here again. It's frickin' hilarious.


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Where was the hysteria when Slick Willy and even Bush did the same thing? Its funny how some things really bother you and some things don't.

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I guess we'll find out, right?

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???

did social media exist then as it does today? no.

also, can you provide a link from a credible source detailing how bush and clinton sent their personal lawyer to go dig up dirt on one of their political rivals for an upcoming election?

thanks a bunch.


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did social media exist then as it does today? no.

also, can you provide a link from a credible source detailing how bush and clinton sent their personal lawyer to go dig up dirt on one of their political rivals for an upcoming election?

thanks a bunch.


I would take the time to look it up but you would just call it whataboutism.

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I guess we'll find out, right?


Most of us already understand the story. But you are right in the aspect it will take others longer to figure it out.


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???

did social media exist then as it does today? no.

also, can you provide a link from a credible source detailing how bush and clinton sent their personal lawyer to go dig up dirt on one of their political rivals for an upcoming election?

thanks a bunch.


I would take the time to look it up but you would just call it whataboutism.


translation: you dont know jack crap.


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I would take the time to look it up but you would just call it whataboutism.


AKA- Making an excuse not to take the time to provide any sources that can back up my false allegations.


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And if it doesn't pan out like you think it will, I will laugh my ass off. (please note: I didn't say to you what ocd said to me.)

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???

did social media exist then as it does today? no.

also, can you provide a link from a credible source detailing how bush and clinton sent their personal lawyer to go dig up dirt on one of their political rivals for an upcoming election?

thanks a bunch.


I would take the time to look it up but you would just call it whataboutism.


rofl in other words, I have nothing.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
???

did social media exist then as it does today? no.

also, can you provide a link from a credible source detailing how bush and clinton sent their personal lawyer to go dig up dirt on one of their political rivals for an upcoming election?

thanks a bunch.


Clinton and Bush were never falsely accused of colluding with the Russians to get elected so there was no need for their lawyers to do international investigations.

Facts will make you free.

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???

did social media exist then as it does today? no.

also, can you provide a link from a credible source detailing how bush and clinton sent their personal lawyer to go dig up dirt on one of their political rivals for an upcoming election?

thanks a bunch.


I would take the time to look it up but you would just call it whataboutism.


translation: you dont know jack crap.


That’s another name for Dawg duty. Lol


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did social media exist then as it does today? no.

also, can you provide a link from a credible source detailing how bush and clinton sent their personal lawyer to go dig up dirt on one of their political rivals for an upcoming election?

thanks a bunch.


Clinton and Bush were never falsely accused of colluding with the Russians to get elected so there was no need for their lawyers to do international investigations.


Think about that for a second. Collision is not a crime.


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And if it doesn't pan out like you think it will, I will laugh my ass off. (please note: I didn't say to you what ocd said to me.)


Well if Trump is impeached I won't laugh my ass off. I think it's a shame if anyone of power in our political system is found guilty of corruption. You may take great joy in it, but that in itself speaks volumes.


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Collision is a crime if it’s a hit and run.


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Putin is behind all of this. He’s twisting this world in two and he has trump in his back pocket. Friggin sheep are blind.


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They’re popping champagne


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Collision is a crime if it’s a hit and run.


That made me laugh. thumbsup

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Support for impeachment reaches highest level in Fox News poll


A record of respondents in a Fox News Poll said they wanted President Trump impeached and removed from office.

The poll released Wednesday found 51 percent of respondents supported Trump's impeachment and removal from office. Four percent of participants said the president should be impeached but not removed, and 40 percent are completely against impeachment.

Support for impeachment and removal has risen 9 points since July, increasing 11 points among Democrats, 5 points among Republicans and 3 points among independents.

Voters in swing counties, defined as where Hillary Clinton and Trump were within 10 points in the 2016 election, supported impeachment at a rate of 52 percent, 10 points above a comparable population in July.

Some demographics that typically back the president also had increased support for impeachment, with a 5 point increase among white evangelical Christians, an 8 point increase among white men without a college degree and a 10 point increase among rural whites.

Among the 40 percent against impeachment, respondents cited as reasons: 21 percent thought Trump did nothing wrong, 20 percent said the inquiry is politically motivated and 15 percent didn't believe the allegations.

A total of 66 percent of respondents said it was not appropriate for Trump to ask foreign leaders to investigate political rivals, compared to a quarter who said it is appropriate. While 43 percent say the Ukraine call was impeachable, 27 percent say it was inappropriate but not impeachable.

The House has opened an impeachment inquiry on the president after a whistleblower report revealed Trump asked the Ukrainian president to look into former Vice President Joe Biden and his son.

Polls have been showing growing support in public opinion for impeachment.

The Fox News poll surveyed 1,003 registered voters between Oct. 6 and 8 and has a margin of error of 3 percentage points.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/46...n-fox-news-poll

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Trump is an idiot


But you’ll vote for him again. rofl


How do you know that he voted for him? I’m under the impression he didn’t vote for him.


He voted for trump. He’ll vote for the idiot again. Just like the rest of the sheep who think trump is an idiot but won’t vote for a real functioning adult.


"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
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