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Prominent Conservatives Call for Swift Impeachment
October 10, 2019 at 7:07 am EDT By Taegan Goddard 44 Comments
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“More than a dozen prominent conservative lawyers, including George Conway, offered their legal reasoning for an ‘expeditious’ impeachment probe into President Trump, creating a document they hope will be read by Republicans who continue to stand by the president,” the Washington Post reports.

“The 16 attorneys, many of whom worked in Republican administrations, wrote in a joint statement to be released Thursday morning that Trump’s now infamous call with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, the text messages between diplomats and Trump’s public call for China to investigate a political opponent are ‘undisputed’ events that amount to Trump violating his oath of office.”




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New Statement from Checks and Balances on President Trump’s Abuse of Office
October 10, 2019
Statement from co-founders and additional members of Checks & Balances:

In the past several weeks, it has become clear to any observer of current events that the president is abusing the office of the presidency for personal political objectives. Although new facts are being revealed on a daily basis, the following are undisputed, to date:

1) In a July 25, 2019, telephone call with the president of Ukraine – a summary of which has been released by the White House – the president requested “a favor” in the context of a discussion of Ukrainian security matters. Specifically, immediately after President Zelensky thanked the president “in the area of defense” and indicated a readiness to buy additional armaments consistent with a U.S. defense proposal, President Trump asked for “a favor.” The favor was to investigate a baseless theory relating to the 2016 investigation into Russian interference in the U.S. election. The U.S. president further requested that the Ukrainian president coordinate the requested investigation with both his personal attorney and the Attorney General of the United States, presenting both a blurring of lines between personal legal representation and official U.S. government business, and, the appearance of inappropriate politicization of the Office of the Attorney General. He then requested, additionally, that the Ukrainian government look into allegations relating to his Democratic presidential opponent, Joe Biden, saying “There’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great.”

2) Between July and September 2019, the Acting Ambassador to Ukraine, Bill Taylor, the (former) State Department Special Envoy to Ukraine, Kurt Volker, and the Ambassador to the European Union, Gordon Sondland, exchanged a series of telephone calls and text messages revealing that U.S. diplomats were involved in negotiating an exchange involving a White House meeting and foreign aid on one hand, and a Ukrainian investigation into a meritless allegation involving former Vice President Joe Biden, on the other hand. The text messages reveal that U.S. diplomats were seeking from President Zelensky an assurance that “he will help [the] investigation” while concurrently negotiating a “visit to Washington” and “security assistance.” These circumstances led career Ambassador Taylor to communicate that in his judgment it was “crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.” These facts are derived from text messages provided to the House of Representatives in connection with the deposition of former Special Envoy Volker and have been released publicly.

3) On October 3, 2019, the president stood in front of U.S. press cameras outside the White House and said, “China should start an investigation into the Bidens because what happened in China is just about as bad as what happened with Ukraine.” The president’s statement was broadcast widely.

A president takes the following oath of office:

I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

We believe the acts revealed publicly over the past several weeks are fundamentally incompatible with the president’s oath of office, his duties as commander in chief, and his constitutional obligation to “take care that the laws be faithfully executed.” These acts, based on what has been revealed to date, are a legitimate basis for an expeditious impeachment investigation, vote in the House of Representatives and potential trial in the Senate. Additional evidence that was detailed in the Special Counsel’s Report, related matters of foreign emoluments, and persistent obstructive activities should also inform these proceedings. In addition, given that some of the critical facts under consideration by the Congress have been facilitated by a complaint presented to the Inspector General of the U.S. Intelligence Community, any efforts by U.S. government personnel to inappropriately pressure, intimidate or expose the whistleblower or future whistleblowers who follow the procedures provided by law are contrary to the norms of a society that adheres to the rule of law.

As we said in an April 2019 statement, “free and fair elections, without foreign interference, are at the heart of a healthy democracy.” The Special Counsel’s report revealed, among other things, that the Trump 2016 campaign was open to and enthusiastic about receiving Russian government-facilitated assistance to gain an advantage in the previous election. The report was not only an exposition, it was a warning. The present circumstances are materially worse: we have not just a political candidate open to receiving foreign assistance to better his chances at winning an election, but a current president openly and privately calling on foreign governments to actively interfere in the most sacred of U.S. democratic processes, our elections. These activities, which are factually undisputed, undermine the integrity of our elections, endanger global U.S. security and defense partnerships, and threaten our democracy.

Jonathan H. Adler
Donald B. Ayer
George T. Conway III
Carrie F. Cordero
Charles Fried
Stuart M. Gerson
Peter D. Keisler
Orin S. Kerr
Marisa C. Maleck
Trevor Potter
Alan Charles Raul
Jonathan C. Rose
Paul Rosenzweig
Andrew Sagor
Jaime D. Sneider
J.W. Verret

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imma post this from Fox news that way the MAGA hatters cant claim fake news:

Two Giuliani associates linked to Ukraine investigations indicted on campaign finance charges

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/giuliani-associates-indicted-on-campaign-finance-charges

also, they got a big ole fat picture of Don Jr hanging out at dinner with these two clowns.

hey, home come Trump is demanding an investigation into Giuliani and his associates over corruption?

he said its his duty to investigate corruption, right?

Only possible corruption of political opponents.

Rudy Giuliani's associates were headed to Frankfurt and had one-way tickets

https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/impeachment-inquiry-10-10-2019/index.html

aye they were trying to bolt lolololol

Republicans are fine with this?

Former Texas Rep. Pete Sessions was pushed by Giuliani associates to back effort to eject Ukraine ambassador

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/10/politics/pete-sessions-indictment-giuliani-associates/index.html

Okay. So hear me out. What if? I know this is going to sound crazy... But what if?... are you ready???

What if trump ACTUALLY completes one of his campaign promises by...

...draining the swamp.
How you say?
He’s invited every corrupt sleazy scumbag to work at his side. One by one they go down. My hope is more and more fall. Handcuffs in backorder amounts. The swamp monsters he’s kept at his side get hauled off and imprisoned... finally one day him too.

Swamp drained.
Mission complete.
We, the rest of sane America, can go on.

it makes sense he is the deep state, after all.

McMaster: 'It's absolutely not' appropriate to solicit foreign help in US elections

https://thehill.com/policy/defense/46524...eign-help-in-us


McMaster practicing some CYA. He had to see Trump acting nuts on more than one occasion and said nothing.

Rudy had just had lunch with them at trump tower before they went to the airport

I just saw a video that’s on twitter from Minneapolis tonight at the rally. Lots of protesters chanting lock him up and the sounds of whistles were everywhere.
You know what they say about karma

Wow. Again folks, read the article. The more we learn about this, the worse it gets for trump.

Pentagon officials deemed withholding of aid to Ukraine was illegal

https://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-official...-090046566.html

Boy oh boy. Like I said, read the article.

Rudy Giuliani was reportedly retained for 'hundreds of thousands of dollars' by an associate's firm Fraud Guarantee

https://news.yahoo.com/rudy-giuliani-reportedly-retained-hundreds-065604964.html

Giuliani, the gift that just keeps on giving.

Trump and Giuliani are SO in bed with Putin, it's obvious as hell. I have nothing for anyone who supports this crap and Trump. Traitors one and all IMHO.

You already called us traitors and such over your fake news on Collusion.

This time Trump is doing it in broad daylight.

And while you call it fake, Mueller made it clear he would never know the truth about it because the witnesses were lying.

Even your media has given up on the false song of collusion as the FBI heads were fired over their lying and debauchery.

Yet you hold on, like Don Quixote, fighting that windmill to the last.

So sad.

I gave you the facts. From the very person who questioned the witnesses. But you never were one to consider facts.

Nobody gave up on that, there are charges waiting for Trump to be ousted by vote or impeachment.

2nd time in a month... lmao

White House accidentally sends Ukraine talking points to Democrats again

The White House accidentally sent Democrats a list of talking points related to ex-Ukraine Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch’s Friday House deposition, two sources with knowledge of the email told The Hill, the second time in a month the administration has sent its Ukraine talking points to Democrats.

The email included guidance for Republicans seeking to defend the president from potentially damaging witness testimony from an ambassador who was removed from her post in May under controversial circumstances.

In copies of the guidance shared with The Hill, the White House encouraged Republicans to adopt a series of messages designed to turn the tables back on Democrats, including attacks on House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff’s (D-Calif.) handling of the investigation.

Yovanovitch told House lawmakers that she was removed after “a concerted campaign" against her from President Trump and his allies.

She also said in her opening statement that the State Department had "been under pressure from the president to remove me since the summer of 2018."

Yovanovitch’s ouster came two months before Trump’s July 25 phone call with the Ukrainian president — now at the center of Democrats’ impeachment inquiry — in which Trump asked Kiev to open an investigation into former Vice President Joe Biden, a leading 2020 presidential candidate.

“We are not concerned with any information Yovanovitch might share, because the President did nothing wrong,” the White House email meant for Republicans said. “But we are concerned that Schiff is putting her a precarious position by having her testify in secret without State Department lawyers be present.”

"It raises serious questions about why Schiff is willing to put career officials in such risky situations while bullying them with legally unfounded threats of obstruction charges," the email continued.

It added that Schiff "is willing to ride roughshod over fair process and to use career officials to further a baseless political objective."

The email marks the second time the White House has unintentionally sent talking points to Democrats in recent weeks, after an administration official inadvertently emailed them suggested rhetoric defending the July 25 phone call.

The White House did not immediately respond to The Hill’s request for comment.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/46545...democrats-again

An article in the NY times also revisits how Ukrane refused to cooperate with Mueller ... in exchange for, or at the same time as needing missles from Trump ! LOL. You cant make up this schtick.

Some of the sharper congressional Dems are on this stuff like pitbulls on a steak. I like Adam Schiff for exactly that reason. He's like the honey badger, he don't give a damn. Trump and his allies can call him whatever they want, he just keeps going.

He a liar and a fraud. For over 2 years he said he had definitive proof of Trump colluding with russia. He never produced any evidence. Now he got up in front of congress, and told a complete fabrication about Trump's call with Ukraine. It was so full of crap that he had to come back and say it was a parody. He then claimed he knew nothing of the whistle-blower, but then it come out he had his staff working with the whistle-blower. Now the whistleblower will not even testify behind closed doors, but will only give a written statement. He's trying to do a closed door impeachment.

If he's got actual evidence, he should bring it out. Otherwise, he should use his "info" for campaign slogans and lies.

Yeah we have Manafort in a fake jail cell also

Trump's admin stonewalled the Mueller investigation, lied in interviews, and LIED LIED LIED to his supporters with the aid of Fox News. There is ample evidence that Trump and company worked with Russia to win the election in 2016. There is ample evidence that Russia interfered in that same election. What did NOT happen is the right bringing his corruption to justice. What did NOT happen is any sort of exoneration. AND Mueller's report was covered up by Barr, so that none of us know the whole TRUTH that was uncovered. But you go ahead and crawl back into the mucky state of delusion about how great Trump is... it's traitorous.

Being reported this morning that Rudy is now under criminal investigation.

If there is so much evidence, start writing your dem house representative to bring it forward. They keep saying they have it, but they never produce it. Hell, I'd even call die Trump's impeachment if they actually had it, but they don't. We've already had a 2+ year investigation, and they couldn't prove anything, because there's nothing to prove. Call your congressman and demand their evidence is brought out. Call shiff and demand his evidence is brought out. Start your petitions and chants for your congressmen that keep ytelling you they have evidence, because you're wasting all your time and effort trying to convince those of us who already know this is nothing more than a political game from the dems.

Please.

If he shot someone on 5th Ave, you'd not only vote for his re-election, you'd hide him out in your attic and lie to the cops.

#inthetank100&

I think that it would be beneficial if the questioning was more neutral in content.

The facts are sufficient.

The facts associated with this impeachment investigation are far simpler to comprehend.

First, Trump is directly associated with the effort.
Second, Congressionally approved aid was involved.
Third, This story involves both governmental (State Department) and Personal (Rudy) people. One or the other could possibly be understood. Both make it clear that this is more likely campaign related, and the President was using the State Department for his re-election.

It's great to see you have finally realized this about Trump.

Then get off your butt, call your congressman, and let's get that trial going.

Don't take my words out of context. The Democrat media does enough of that already.

Let's get all of his co-conspirators along with him first. Rudy is already under criminal investigation now. Soon Pompeo and others will be joining him.

It's the only way to make any sense out of your comments.

If he murdered someone, no. If he shot them in self defense, hell yes.

There's no criminal investigation. This is nothing more than trial by media.

Did you fail at another attempt at humor? Poor thing.