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Ambassador breaks with Trump, testifying the President directed diplomats to work with Giuliani on Ukraine

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/17/politics/sondland-deposition-impeachment-inquiry/index.html

It just keeps getting worse and worse for trump and Giuliani.


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Another Obama appointed Never-Trumper spills her half truths.

Enjoy.

Oops, thought this was about Maria Vonovich. sorry.


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I have done everything I set out to do as President. America is great again.

Cool. He should retire and go out on top.


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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Another Obama appointed Never-Trumper spills her half truths.

Enjoy.



WRONG.

Trump donor that Trump rewarded with an ambassador posting. He was sticking up for Trump as late as a few weeks ago. smh. But don't let any facts get in there with all your truth hate. TDS - truth denial syndrome.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Another Obama appointed Never-Trumper spills her half truths.

Enjoy.



WRONG.

Trump donor that Trump rewarded with an ambassador posting. He was sticking up for Trump as late as a few weeks ago. smh. But don't let any facts get in there with all your truth hate. TDS - truth denial syndrome.


Yes, I was wrong.

I was talking about ousted Ambassador Maria Vonovich.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Another Obama appointed Never-Trumper spills her half truths.

Enjoy.



It's a good thing you never tire of being incorrect. Just like I never tire of pointing it out.
#symbiosis

This dude bought himself an ambassadorship by donating megabux to Dolt45's campaign. This is what quid pro quo looks like.

Looks like the smart rats are getting wet on a daily basis.

Please continue to post baseless drivel without doing even 4 seconds of research. The entertainment value is off the charts.


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Maria Vonovich.


Never heard of her.
Is she someone who is only known by FOX news viewers?

WRONG AGAIN.

I can do this all day, Sparky.


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Marie Louise Yovanovitch (born 1958) is a member of the senior ranks of the United States Foreign Service who served as the 9th United States Ambassador to Ukraine.

I was indeed wrong about the spelling of her name.

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It's sad how patriots have become your enemy.


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
It's sad how patriots have become your enemy.


Well if you are speaking of Marie Yovanovitch, she is currently under investigation for illegalities while in office.

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And I wonder who is leading that?


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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Marie Louise Yovanovitch (born 1958) is a member of the senior ranks of the United States Foreign Service who served as the 9th United States Ambassador to Ukraine.

I was indeed wrong about the spelling of her name.


Got it. Thanks for clearing that up. But although she may have been appointed to that position by Obama, she is actually a life long apolitical public servant.

"Yovanovitch joined the U.S. foreign service in 1986."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Yovanovitch

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It's sad how patriots have become your enemy.


Well if you are speaking of Marie Yovanovitch, she is currently under investigation for illegalities while in office.


Hmmm. Drummed up to get her out of the way? Only on Fox News? I googled to fact check this assertion and could find nothing to support it.


https://lmgtfy.com/?q=Marie+Yovanovitch+under+investigation

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Marie Louise Yovanovitch


She, I knew about.
Hence, my poke at you.

You're catching up, a little at a time.


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Breaking News: Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff, said the U.S. froze aid partly to pressure Ukraine to investigate Democrats. He undercut President Trump's denials of a quid pro quo

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So it was partly quid pro quo?


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he admitted it and then told reporters to get over it.


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Drummed up


I think you mean "trumped up."


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Who would have ever thought that a nation less than the size of Texas with a population just above that of California and a GDP about the size of Maryland would be the focal point of so much political strife... weird.


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He undercut President Trump's denials of a quid pro quo


Until two weeks ago, Trump thought quid pro quo was the president of Viet Nam.


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he admitted it and then told reporters to get over it.


Oh I heard it. The stupidity of this group of people seems endless.


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WOW... I think Mulvaney thinks this is ok.

Mulvaney says push for DNC server investigation was one reason for Ukraine aid freeze

https://www.axios.com/mick-mulvaney-ukra...dc9cdc55f8.html

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It's almost head-scratching, until you think about how it even popped up in the news cycle.

All roads lead to and from.... Russia.


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And yet, Biden is on video bragging about withholding funds unless a prosecutor gets fired with in 6 hours.

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And yet, Biden is on video bragging about withholding funds unless a prosecutor gets fired with in 6 hours.


You just don't get that that was done openly with the concerted efforts of a multinational coalition for the pure purposes of removing a corrupt prosecutor. The tin foil conspiracy that Trump is clinging to has been debunked. Please let that settle in because you and others keep bringing it up with the same result.

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And you just don't get that Trump has every right and it is his duty to find out how the Deep State started with its attempted Coup over the false and illegal accusations of Collusion.

The list of fired FBI and Justice Department heads is the result of investigations to date.

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Trump never understood the difference between the public sector and private sector.

And his Achilles heel is a conspiracy theory.

I will speculate that Putin fed him the line about Biden and Ukraine, and he took it hook, line and sinker. He might as well told him that Obama’s birth certificate was in Ukraine as well.

The Art of the Deal may have a messy conclusion.

His only hope was that he could build a stone wall in the Senate. But that became a bigger problem when he bailed in Syria. Leaving troops in the middle of that mess was not a smart thing to do.

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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
And yet, Biden is on video bragging about withholding funds unless a prosecutor gets fired with in 6 hours.

I don't like Biden soooo... I don't care. Go after him too if you want.


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
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And yet, Biden is on video bragging about withholding funds unless a prosecutor gets fired with in 6 hours.


You just don't get that that was done openly with the concerted efforts of a multinational coalition for the pure purposes of removing a corrupt prosecutor. The tin foil conspiracy that Trump is clinging to has been debunked. Please let that settle in because you and others keep bringing it up with the same result.


Oh. So, it was okay to withhold aid in order to get his son off the hook?

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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
And yet, Biden is on video bragging about withholding funds unless a prosecutor gets fired with in 6 hours.


You just don't get that that was done openly with the concerted efforts of a multinational coalition for the pure purposes of removing a corrupt prosecutor. The tin foil conspiracy that Trump is clinging to has been debunked. Please let that settle in because you and others keep bringing it up with the same result.


Oh. So, it was okay to withhold aid in order to get his son off the hook?


It wasn't done to get Hunter off the hook.

It had nothing to do with Hunter.

If that's what you actually believe - then, sorry, you are incorrect and that's been proven. I get that Trump is still lying and deflecting on this subject, but it's 100% - 1000% not accurate.


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So, why did Biden threaten to withhold the money if the prosecutor wasn't fired?

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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
So, why did Biden threaten to withhold the money if the prosecutor wasn't fired?


Do some research. It's not hard.

If you aren't that worried about doing some research to find out what happened - I'm happy for you to remain ignorant on the subject. If you want to ton continue to parrot the Trump deflection and lies, well, that's your call too.

I find going to multiple sources is beneficial - and foreign sources are sometimes less biased.

https://www.politico.eu/article/david-cameron-defends-biden-ukraine-scenario/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/...basis-quicktake

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/14/hunter-b...he-problem.html

https://www.axios.com/joe-hunter-biden-u...551759063c.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/...idered-corrupt/


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And, I'm happy for you to remain ignorant.

Why would little Biden say, in hindsight, his dealings were a bad look? Why would he cancel some of them?

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God bless You Arch.

Just out of curiosity - what does Biden have to do with Trump ordering the withholding of approved funds (what was it - $390 million?) unless a foreign government dug dirt on Trump's political opponent? .... in a alternate universe where Biden was guilty of heinous crimes - it sounds like you are cool with Trump pulling that sort of thing to undermine a political opponent. Most think it's unAmerican ... but I understand if you want to buy into Trump's lies and care more about keeping Trump in office than you care about the Truth or the USA.


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Oh - and item 3 of the list of links I provided answered the question that you just asked.

I realize that I'm not going to get an a straight answer from you, or a meaningful conversation. Have a goodnight.


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The trumpster is being investigated on, as you stated, $390 million.


Biden, despite bragging about how he got a foreign countries prosecuter fired over a 1 Billion dollar aid deal, involving a prosecutor looking into his inept sons arrangement, gets no press, or gets ignored.

Happy ignorance.

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Oh - and item 3 of the list of links I provided answered the question that you just asked.

I realize that I'm not going to get an a straight answer from you, or a meaningful conversation. Have a goodnight.


I love the automatic dismissal of an opinion, and fact, that you just did right there.

Carry on. I'll answer. But, sadly for you, I'll answer with fact.

The lib's on this place STILL can't get over the fact that trump won, fair and square.

Seriously..............not a single President in our history has withstood more investigations than YOUR president. And still nothing.

Honestly, for the sake of some posters on here, I've wished the dem's would come up with something that sticks...........but come on..........over 3 years of investigations and hard feelings, and nothing?

I mean, how many times do you need to strike out before you realize you're out?

Shoot, even the media is on your side.

And nothing. The current impeachment process is..............going exactly like the collusion process, the Mueller report (remember when you all were just waiting for the Mueller report to come out?)

As I've been saying for 3 years: I guess we'll find out. So far, nothing burger, without cheese.

And trust me, the dem's are going way out of their way to find something, anything. If they do, great. I'll admit it. If they don't? Will you?

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The lib's on this place STILL can't get over the fact that trump won, fair and square. Trump Won- Fact ... fair and square ... Fact, although Russia was trying to influence the result in Trumps favor (also Fact)

Seriously..............not a single President in our history has withstood more investigations than YOUR president. And still nothing. I don't know if this is true or not. But Mueller report into the Russian interference was 100% justified. Trump coercing a foreign government to dig dirt on his political opponents is worth investigating. Guilliani running a shadow - Trump approved but not in the best interest of the USA - is worth investigating. His Lawyer - Cohen - was also worth investigating. As was his Campaign manager Manafort .... District of New York obviously has several things it has found to be worth investigating. . . . and when you say "Nothing" .... you choose to ignore the Mueller report highlighting obstruction and also ignore that there are many in prison as a result .... and that Mueller said too many were lying to get to the truth about "collusion"

Honestly, for the sake of some posters on here, I've wished the dem's would come up with something that sticks...........but come on..........over 3 years of investigations and hard feelings, and nothing? See above

I mean, how many times do you need to strike out before you realize you're out? Only in the modern world of instant everything does this seem like "everything" is over - things take time. Ukrane looks to have him dead to rights doing something totally illegal and un-American ... but there are plenty that will want to ignore facts and deflect and create false stories about Biden and such rather than look at what Trump did and is doing

Shoot, even the media is on your side. There is media bias on both sides. Although most of the "middle of the road" slightly left leaning media is accused of being socialist by the commander in chief. The fact anyone accepts Trump calling the Media "The Enemy of the People" is pretty scary. Now it doesn't even get a second mention ...

And nothing. The current impeachment process is..............going exactly like the collusion process, the Mueller report (remember when you all were just waiting for the Mueller report to come out?) If you paid attention and did more research from more sources you'd know that this is anything but like the Mueller process.

As I've been saying for 3 years: I guess we'll find out. So far, nothing burger, without cheese. Disagree.... and if Mueller had actually exonerated Trump, and all the other arrests were made ... it would still have been 100% legit and worthwhile. And even as exonerated in this alternate reality ... when Trump withholds approved funds to force an ally to dig dirt on his opponents ... it should be investigated, period.

And trust me, the dem's are going way out of their way to find something, anything. If they do, great. I'll admit it. If they don't? Will you? I didn't vote for trump - but like most, I wanted him to succeed. AS it is he looks like a 3rd rate crook with his own best interests at heart and not those of the USA. .... I accepted it when he was elected and accept it if he's found to have done nothing wrong.

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Speaker Pelosi isn't refusing to hold a vote on impeachment. She is refusing to hold a FOURTH vote on impeachment. There have already been three votes. They all failed. Miserably.

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