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I guess basic math isn't your strong suit. We were there and Turkey didn't attack the Kurds. The moment Trump pulled out (Stormy Daniels reference), Turkey attacked. Is that math too complicated for you?


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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
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Didnt Trump run on a campaign promise the he doesnt want to police the world?

Why is anybody surprised?


Because he turned around and deployed the same amount of troops in Saudi Arabia. So actually he's just policing a different part of the world. Why do people keep buying his BS?


Wrong.

Not Policing.

We have lots of troops in Saudi Arabia as we prepare to invade Iran if necessary.

Please stop making up your own facts.

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So we now need a war in Iran putting our Troop's lives at risk? Trump ~ All they have is sand, a lot of sand, let them play in it...

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Yes. But you ignored it.

I didn't ignore it. I just admitted that if you posted it, I missed it. I even apologized if I missed it.


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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
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Originally Posted By: EveDawg
Didnt Trump run on a campaign promise the he doesnt want to police the world?

Why is anybody surprised?


Because he turned around and deployed the same amount of troops in Saudi Arabia. So actually he's just policing a different part of the world. Why do people keep buying his BS?


Wrong.

Not Policing.

We have lots of troops in Saudi Arabia as we prepare to invade Iran if necessary.

Please stop making up your own facts.


What a load of absolute junk ....

The troops in Syria weren't policing anything either then - by your warped sense of reality. I guess I shouldn't be surprised by what you type. It's pure Trump propaganda.


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
So we now need a war in Iran putting our Troop's lives at risk? Trump ~ All they have is sand, a lot of sand, let them play in it...

rolleyes


Wrong.

We need to be prepared for war with Iran because they have mined shipping, launched attacks on Saudi Oil, threatened to shut down the Strait, etc etc...

Trump has attacked them with sanctions, crippling Iran's economy and now I am hearing about a Cyber Attack against Iran that did major damage, details to come.

No shooting war yet, but it is wise to be prepared in case we have to.

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Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Yes. But you ignored it.

I didn't ignore it. I just admitted that if you posted it, I missed it. I even apologized if I missed it.


I have documentation to show I posted it and proof you never replied to it.

Unnamed Sources have stated you outright ignored it.

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Didnt Trump run on a campaign promise the he doesnt want to police the world?

Why is anybody surprised?


Because with one simple idiotic move, Trump made the world less safe for decades.


Right, the middle east was safer before Trump came along. rofl


Yes. After this week... 100 times yes.

And FYI - what Trump signed off on by agreeing to move the troops at Turkeys behest was Genocide by Turkey of the Kurds. That's all on Trump. If Trump doesn't move the troops Turkey doesn't attack the Kurds - hell, Trump could have said they plan to withdraw in a month and another nation would probably have stepped in to ensure Turkey didn't commit the genocide they are now carrying out.

Hey but why am I spending time talking to the guy who invents a scenario where the only two options was Trump withdrawing troops or going to war with a NATO "ally"


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Bro he's using troops in SA as a US human shield to protect their oil production for money. He abandoned allies in the field in Syria to send those troops. The pitiful excuses don't pass the smell test as demonstrated by the outrage on both sides of the aisle.

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You are just Wrong. Needs no further reply. rolleyes

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Here's the difference between you and a Republican.

Republicans have called Trump out on this. Top Republicans, the pentagon and top military officials all stand against pulling out from protecting the Kurds. But Trump stands behind it. You ignore everyone within your own party who actually know what's going on in the world for someone who opened the door for genocide.

Rather than be honest, work within the facts and act responsible, you abandon the experts in the Republican party to blindly spew propaganda supporting Trump.

You are not a Republican at all. You are a Trumpian.

He deserted our allies and now has even resorted to talking smack about them. That's what you're upholding. He opened the door for them to be slaughtered and you support that.


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All those voices are taken under advisement but there is only one person who makes the final call.

The Commander in Chief of the United States!

The president's most important duty as commander in chief is to defend the United States, its territories and possessions and its armed forces, from attack.

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They weren't under attack and had virtually zero odds of being under attack.

As I said, you went against every Republican that knows anything about it to support Trump. You aren't really a Republican. You don't care that the experts know better. You're a blind follower of foolishness and genocide. You're a blind follower of stabbing those in the back who gave 11,000 lives to stand beside us to destroy ISIS.

Great job.


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Even McConnell just came out against it.

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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Here's the difference between you and a Republican.

Republicans have called Trump out on this. Top Republicans, the pentagon and top military officials all stand against pulling out from protecting the Kurds. But Trump stands behind it. You ignore everyone within your own party who actually know what's going on in the world for someone who opened the door for genocide.

Rather than be honest, work within the facts and act responsible, you abandon the experts in the Republican party to blindly spew propaganda supporting Trump.

You are not a Republican at all. You are a Trumpian.

He deserted our allies and now has even resorted to talking smack about them. That's what you're upholding. He opened the door for them to be slaughtered and you support that.

anybody who ever disagrees with Donald Trump isn't a real Republican.


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I would say it's more like anyone who "never disagrees" with Trump is not a real Republican.

When almost every top Republican and Republican military expert comes out in opposition to Trump pulling out of Syria, how can one ignore all of that and make up the kind of tripe 40 is trying to sell?


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Not sure you understood.. in the eyes of a loyal supporter, Trump is the embodiment of what it means to be a republican and to disagree with him is heresy.... it's almost treasonous..

Look at how they have treated fine people who have been republicans for decades.. in favor of a guy who was a democrat and supported other democrats just a few short years ago...


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House overwhelmingly votes bipartisan condemnation of Trump withdrawal of U.S. troops from Syria

The debate in Congress on the issue is extraordinary for the intensity of lawmakers' opinions.

WASHINGTON — The House on Wednesday overwhelmingly to condemn President Donald Trump's withdrawal of American forces from northern Syria.

Despite stark divisions over Democrats' Trump impeachment inquiry, Democrats and Republicans banded together and approved a nonbinding resolution by 354-60 vote.

The resolution states Congress' opposition to the troop pullback and says Turkey should cease its military action in Syria. And the measure says the White House should present a plan for an "enduring defeat" of the Islamic State group.

The House debate was extraordinary for the intensity of lawmakers' opinions.

Republicans called the troop withdrawal "disastrous" and a "catastrophe." Democrats criticized Trump directly, with Rep. Seth Moulton saying Trump "has taken the side of dictators and butchers."

Among senators, Lindsey Graham, one of Trump's closest allies, said Trump's decision will allow IS to reemerge and added that the president will "be held accountable."

Graham said Trump's decision "is against all sound military advice" and that he hopes Trump "will reconsider, stop the bloodshed and reset the table before it's too late."

Graham says that if Trump continues along those lines, "then our foreign policy is in a very bad spot in the Middle East and to those who think the Mideast doesn't matter to America, remember 9/11 we had that same attitude on 9/10 2001."

Another Republican senator, Florida's Marco Rubio, told reporters that he doesn't know what can be done to undo the harm that's resulted from the withdrawal.

Rubio said "there are some mistakes that are not easy to reverse. And there are some that are irreversible."

Many worry that IS may revive itself as Turkish forces attack Syrian Kurds holding the extremists.

For his part, Trump said U.S. troops are "largely out" of a region of Syria where Turkish forces are attacking Kurdish fighters.

Turkey launched a military operation against Kurdish fighters allied with the U.S. after Trump pulled troops from the region this month.

As he met Wednesday with Italy's president, Trump said: "If Syria wants to fight to take back their land, that's up to them and Turkey."

Trump adds: "There's a lot of sand that they can play with."

But as Trump defended removing troops from northeastern Syria, he's also talking up his recent decision to send more troops to Saudi Arabia to help the kingdom defend against Iran.

Trump said the U.S. is sending missiles and "great power" to the Saudis, and added: "They're paying for that."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congres...HuyKMZ-PyMsvPVM


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Not sure you understood.. in the eyes of a loyal supporter, Trump is the embodiment of what it means to be a republican and to disagree with him is heresy.... it's almost treasonous..

Look at how they have treated fine people who have been republicans for decades.. in favor of a guy who was a democrat and supported other democrats just a few short years ago...


Wrong.

In the eyes of the loyal supporter, Trump is the embodiment of the outsider come to Washington.

He was both Republican and Democrat.

He is beholden to no one.

He shakes the Tree of Liberty each day and nuts come falling to the ground. The swamp drains.

He has rebuilt our economy and there are now more jobs than jobless.

He has fought off the fake Republicans, yes the RINO establishment, and we voted them into obscurity.

Next we will be cleaning house of Socialist Democrats.

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In the eyes of the loyal supporter, Trump is the embodiment of the outsider come to Washington.

He was both Republican and Democrat.

He is beholden to no one.

He shakes the Tree of Liberty each day and nuts come falling to the ground. The swamp drains.

He has rebuilt our economy and there are now more jobs than jobless.

He has fought off the fake Republicans, yes the RINO establishment, and we voted them into obscurity.

Next we will be cleaning house of Socialist Democrats.





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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
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Not sure you understood.. in the eyes of a loyal supporter, Trump is the embodiment of what it means to be a republican and to disagree with him is heresy.... it's almost treasonous..

Look at how they have treated fine people who have been republicans for decades.. in favor of a guy who was a democrat and supported other democrats just a few short years ago...


Wrong.

In the eyes of the loyal supporter, Trump is the embodiment of the outsider come to Washington.

He was both Republican and Democrat.

He is beholden to no one.

He shakes the Tree of Liberty each day and nuts come falling to the ground. The swamp drains.

He has rebuilt our economy and there are now more jobs than jobless.

He has fought off the fake Republicans, yes the RINO establishment, and we voted them into obscurity.

Next we will be cleaning house of Socialist Democrats.



The ONLY thing Trump does and does consistently is pee all over the constitution and institutions of this country. George Will laid out how Trump has no resemblance to what the Republican Party is supposed to stand for the other day.


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As I said, you went against every Republican that knows anything about it to support Trump.


That's because Trompf knows more than the Generals.
You must have missed the memo.
Trust the stable genius.

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Who knew?!?... I guess Trump is cool with IS now.

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Are they saying ISIS is still around?...attacking positions in Syria?

I know that can't be true...Trump said "HE".."HE ALONE" had already defeated ISIS!



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rofl GeronimOOOoooooo.


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He is beholden to no one.


Putin...

Trump might believe it's not obvious to the American people...

Trump knows that his supporters have not figured it out yet...
40..your own quote above is evidence of that fact..you have not figured it out yet.

I tried to lay it out on the previous page when I posted that there is a "common denominator" to Trump's foreign policy.

A wise woman once told Trump that his foreign policy, is not a secret when she told Trump "all roads with you lead to Putin".

Hopefully Trump supporters can now figure it out...Trump is running America's foreign policy to benefit America's enemy, Russia, Syria..not to benefit the United States.

Pulling our troops out of Northern Syria gave Putin the green lite to move in and fill the void. Putin, who is an ally of the Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, who is known best for gassing his own people...Russia will now have a foothold in the mid-east...THANKS TO DONALD!




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40=Putin. It’s as easy as 123 abc.


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Trump supporters = Putin supporters ?

Trump supporters = Russian supporters ?

I guess those on "right"..aka Republicans...do not understand..PUTIN/RUSSIA ARE NOT AMERICA'S FRIEND OR ALLY...THEY ARE OUR "ENEMY"!!!


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Nancy Pelosi To President Donald Trump: 'All Roads With You Lead To Putin'





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Pence and Co. in Turkey saying they have negotiated a cease fire and that Turkey will withdrawn and stand down.

They want a safe zone for the Kurds and it will be discussed but as I understand it..it is not a done deal yet.

While it looks like Pence has successfully cleaned up the mess Trump made with his go it alone diplomacy it looks like Putin and Russia still get to take the land in Syria giving Putin a gift wrapped present...a Russian foothold in the mid-east, without firing a shot.


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So, is this article correct? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/o...ntion-uncertain

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The administration official said that an estimated 50 to 100 US special forces soldiers were being pulled back from the 30km safe zone on the border, but would not be leaving Syria, but redeployed instead to more secure positions inside the country.


Or, since it states "special forces" were/are there more that withdrew?

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It was true and is a "part" of the story. Actually we are using an air strip to move out all equipment and personnel from Syria near the town of Kobani. The things we don't feel we can airlift out are being destroyed.

US conducts airstrike on weapons storage site as troops pull out of Syria

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/16/politics/us-airstrike-storage-site-syria/index.html

I will say I think destroying munitions we aren't airlifting out is a smart move. No reason to leave anything behind for them only to be used against us or our allies later.


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Pence and Co. in Turkey saying they have negotiated a cease fire and that Turkey will withdrawn and stand down.

They want a safe zone for the Kurds and it will be discussed but as I understand it..it is not a done deal yet.

While it looks like Pence has successfully cleaned up the mess Trump made with his go it alone diplomacy it looks like Putin and Russia still get to take the land in Syria giving Putin a gift wrapped present...a Russian foothold in the mid-east, without firing a shot.


Cease fire for 5 days. 5 days? How will they resolve this in 5 days?

I'm watching Trump claim victory with "AN AMAZING OUTCOME"... I deeply hope this is an actual win for team Trump. I won't be holding my breath and fully expect it to continue to spiral after this 5 day reprieve.

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So, is this article correct? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/o...ntion-uncertain

It states
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The administration official said that an estimated 50 to 100 US special forces soldiers were being pulled back from the 30km safe zone on the border, but would not be leaving Syria, but redeployed instead to more secure positions inside the country.


Or, since it states "special forces" were/are there more that withdrew?


Thought I read an early article talking about drawing down 2500 troops or that many being redeployed to SA.

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We are taking 2000 out of Syria and sending 2000 to Saudi arabia. People like Trump and 40 call that, "bringing our troops home."


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Originally Posted By: archbolddawg
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So, is this article correct? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/o...ntion-uncertain

It states
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The administration official said that an estimated 50 to 100 US special forces soldiers were being pulled back from the 30km safe zone on the border, but would not be leaving Syria, but redeployed instead to more secure positions inside the country.


Or, since it states "special forces" were/are there more that withdrew?


So now Trump is doing a 180* turn with American soldiers going back in to do what they were doing before someone decided to pull them out. Our soldiers will once again be in the region to control the ISIS threat and insure the Kurds do not get slaughtered.


But, the ultimate prize, the give away of Northern Syrian land to Putin and the Russians will be gifted to them by Trump. As a wise woman once said to Trump, all your roads lead to Russia.

Trump loves Russia and obviously, so do the Trump supporters.

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So, no one has given a definitive answer. Was it 50-100 troops withdrawn? Was it the 2000? Or does no one know?

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I gave you the answer and a source that explains it.


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