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I'll watch a soccer match when I see a soccer official say "Penalty for giving that guy the business".

Haha. There are three windows to choose from... One to work concessions, one to referee, one to do both.

They do flop a lot. Not much different than nba.

But they also get injured sometimes.

Our starting defensive player had his shoulder dislocated today, and they couldnt put it back in, so he had to go to the hospital.

His career might be over. (He was planning to retire at the end of the season, and, well, its playoffs, so...kinda sucky way to end)

Soccer players pretend they're injured, Hockey players pretend they're not injured.

Yeah as really criticize an official and you get fined. Really!

jc

Damn good for Clay.

NFL recently issued second reminder to all teams about criticizing officiating
Posted by Mike Florio on October 20, 2019, 11:53 AM EDT
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After the Browns lost last week to the Seahawks, Cleveland coach Freddie Kitchens opted not to discuss officiating.

“I got a memo the other day,” Kitchen said. I am not commenting on it. You guys saw the game.”

He’s not the only one who got the memo. On October 11 (two days before the Seahawks-Browns game), all coaches, General Managers, team presidents, and chiefs executive received a memo from the league. PFT has obtained a copy of it.

The memo made it clear that the NFL prohibits “[c]riticism of officiating which includes, but is not limited to, the following: Comments regarding the quality of officiating, individual calls or missed calls, the League’s officiating department, an officiating crew, or an individual game official; [a]ccusing game officials of acting with bias or in any way questioning the integrity of NFL game officials; or [p]osting negative or derogatory/demeaning content pertaining to officiating on social media.”

The memo also explained that private communications from the league office to individual teams regarding officiating should not be disclosed, that verbal and other non-physical abuse of game officials is prohibited, and that public criticism of opponents or opposing coaches cannot occur.

“Violations of these policies will result in prompt disciplinary action by the League office, which may include fines of the club and/or individual who make such public comments,” the memo explains. “Egregious and inflammatory public comments could result in the suspension of the individual(s) making the comment.”

It was the second notice sent this season.

And the league showed that it meant what it said this week, fining Browns quarterback Baker Mayfield for criticizing officials after last week’s game and also fining Rams linebacker Clay Matthews for a tweet posted after last Monday night’s officiating debacle that saw Matthews’ old team secure an ill-gotten win over Detroit. It was the first time any player was fined for criticizing officials since 2016, when Washington cornerback Josh Norman lost $25,000 over saying “you suck” in reference to an official.

As a league spokesman said at the time, “I can’t recall the last time a player was fined” for criticizing officials.

That definitely has changed. Whether silencing internal dissent at a time when the league’s officiating function is under siege represents the best approach remains to be seen. It also remains to be seen whether more officiating problems arise this weekend, and whether more players will throw caution to the wind and ultimately make an involuntary contribution to the charities supported by the thousands of dollars in fines that the league imposes on an ongoing basis.

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Yup, that checks out... "I can't remember the last time..."

And then it hurting the Browns somehow, that's par for the league

Maybe the NFL should send a memo out reminding the Officials that they need to have their eyes checked yearly.

All Refs are color blind, they only see Green.

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Americans who make fun of soccer player flops simply to make fun of the sport are clueless. Soccer players are unbelievably fit and athletic athletes. They run up and down the pitch non-stop for 45+ min each half. Significantly more than football, baseball and even basketball. When soccer works well it is a beautiful art. Watching Spain in the 2008 Euro, 2010 World Cup and 2012 Euro was effortless ballet on the pitch.

AND, NBA players also flop a lot (we are also starting to see flopping in NFL with the hopes of getting a flag, esp for PI).

Yo NFL just a little hint for you. If you want to muzzle the players for telling the truth, and keep letting the Ref's rip off and cheat teams your not going to have any fans left to worry about.

agreed

I want to bring this up again because I really think it is relevant. I think the NFL has added too many rules. Most of the new rules ask for the refs to make subjective calls.

Think about this. NFL refs are supposedly better than collegiate officials. However, there is far more controversy w/NFL officiating.

Why? Because NFL refs are inferior? Clearly, that is not the case. I maintain it is because of all the new and subjective rules the NFL has implemented in recent years.

I said this in the preseason, and I stand by it today.

The NFL should cut their rules in half, if not more. Get rid of all of the superficial motion penalties. Have clear descriptions for violations, and I agree with you, eliminate the subjective interpretations.

Yep, sometimes less is more.

It depends on what team they play for also. Trey Flowers has done the hands high to the chest move ever since he's been in the NFL. Didn't get called for it once when he played for New England. Got called for illegal hands to the face twice against Green Bay playing for Detroit. Makes you wonder.

You may have a point about the excessive rules, but that doesn't account for the blatant bad calls that are not subjective like the blindside block that isn't, the fumble clearly recovered by the other team, the fact they won't overturn a challenged PI call regardless of what the tape shows, or the myriad of other baffling calls of a non-subjective nature that are seemingly inexplicable. Commentary and consensus seems to be that no one has seen officiating this bad, and all these (really) bad calls don't just involve subjective calls. In my view, it's either ineptitude or corruption on a massive scale. One of the two, or possibly a combination of both. Corruption can be anything from having a bad attitude about a particular player or team to outright payoffs, and ineptitude can include everything from not looking in the right spot to flat out not knowing if a penalty was committed or not. Often officials call penalties they think they see, not what they actually see, that is either corruption due to bias or ineptitude in the sense they are simply not doing their jobs properly. So even if subjective calls are a factor, neither corruption nor ineptitude have a place in a multi-billion dollar industry with games and seasons on the line, with fans paying from hundreds to thousands of dollars to watch a single game live.

Oblivious holding on the patriots drive first down near the red zone no call.

All the flags and poor calls are making the game unwatchable for me. Feel like I am watching a commercial with a little football mixed in.

IMHO, Goodell is ruining the game in his quest to make it safer....

No way!

Maybe he can get a note from his doctor saying his knees are really strong.

That's crazy. Watch an NFL game - any game. You'll see close to half the players have pants that don't cover their knees.

A good project for a kid looking to earn the Eagle Badge, or some poster on here with the ability and patience to do it.

It would be interesting to see how much air time refs get league wide, season long, V the snap of the ball and and the whistle down.

I'll put my money of Ref time.

People complain about slow play in baseball, but I think there is more actual playing the game in baseball then football. Basketball and hockey have those 2 sports have football blown away and baseball is 3rd by a good percentage.

The new PI challenge rule is a joke. I've seen many showing clear interference and not overturned. IMO the officials are thumbing their noses at the coaches. If you are going to make the bar so high for reversal, why do it at all.

IMO, the eye in the sky is the way to go. Reviews now need not be as long as they make them. If the guys in the booth and the TV viewers can make a judgement in a matter of seconds, what takes professional officials so long.

If you are going to use technology, use it to it's best ability. IMO the whole "booth" review is a joke.

Great point, Steub. Agree 100 %.

Exactly what I have been saying. Sometimes you have to find out what the ref saw, but most times not. It was a correct call or not.

The officials have to determine the correct spot and the correct amount of time on the game clock as well, plus, I *think* that once you're challenging if something is PI, they can now also review for ANY penalties, which could be messy.

j/c

I was just talking to my dad the other day about the officiating. I'm not quite ready to go the wholesale conspiracy route. 1) Even as a sucky franchise, the Browns were one of the most valuable sports franchises worldwide ( I wanna say it was still 28th when Junior sold it). If the Browns ever became a dynasty the $$$ the NFL would make would be astronomical. 2) This isn't the WWE, the League doesn't need a "bad guy".

I'm going to chalk it up to a mixture of really 3 things:

1) inexperience
2) the human element of if you aren't dealing with people you take seriously, you aren't likely to give your best effort even if subconsciously
3) I think the NFL has assumed too much liability in regards to player safety.

With any large operation Liability rules the day. Even in law enforcement my agency often assumes liability for things we have no business assuming liability for.

I think the NFL is alot like my agency and this has manifested itself in so many rules that make it very difficult to enforce correctly. And as a player makes it difficult to abide by i.e. not landing on the QB with your body.

Personally I think in this next CBA negotiation the NFL should divest themselves of a degree of that liability and make the players assume it. Here's what I mean: everyday people of all walks go about their work day knowing there are significant hazards in what they may face, and for a mere fraction of what the players will make. I think the League needs to back off of these rules that dictate howa player is supposed to hit. Cheap shots, unsportsmanlike acts, obvious intent to injure.. those things should still be against the rules.

But this is a rough sport and anyone who plays it has to not only acknowledge that, but take responsibility for it. The League has gone so far on the meter that the rules they are making and trying to enforce are changing the game in to something it's not. It would be like the UFC saying the fighters couldn't use choke holds anymore.

For the NFL's part though, I think they have a responsibility to continuously explore how to make the equipment safer and to provide a high level of medical expertise in all phases.

Bingo...on both points.

Haven't been following this thread so forgive me if this has been asked and answered already.

Did the NFL ever come out and say anything about the Jarvis Landry "crack back" block?

You mean the truth..... like the Ref was on crack..... nope they never did,

Nope. They just sweep that under the rug and deflect by fining players and coaches who say even the slightest thing.

The Boo hoo thread. Lol

And I want to see some consistency in degree of fouls called. Difference in pass interference, especially if you focus on offensive PI which hurt us yesterday. I have seen mutual muggings that drew no penalty, but killing a big gain with this call, and I think only on us, is wrong. Tacky-Tacky stuff may be illegal and get a flag, but not being called consistently is tough for players to cope with. We saw Pats get taken care of pretty well yesterday. Seems like we get this a lot, usually in second half, and we do nothing to help ourselves much.

We hurt us pretty well, and we do it pretty regularly. It stinketh watching us ice our losses.