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When someone says "I don't coach penalties", does anyone actually know what that means? I get it. He is saying that they are not being taught to commit penalties over and over like they are. They are not coaching to get penalties, he is saying its on the players lack of focus.
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What coach teaches committing penalties?
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When someone says "I don't coach penalties", does anyone actually know what that means? It's a dumb comment by Freddie. He's essentially saying, 'I don't teach them to commit penalties' (unless he's trying to save a timeout). Obviously, no coach teaches their team to commit penalties. It's a completely inane comment. It sure is his job though to get the mistakes fixed and instill discipline and accountability.
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Exactly ... you can coach them NOT to commit penalties.
You can set an example - you can emphasize .... and finally you can hold people accountable. Obviously if coaching wasn't a factor then every team would be about the same. But ... that's not the case. I dug up last years stats. Hue had about 50% more penalties as HC than Williams once Williams took over. Impact was immediate. That's coaching.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
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We may not coach penalties, but maybe we should coach NOT committing penalties
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What coach teaches committing penalties? You realize that's the point he is making, right? He is SAYING that the fans and media are acting like its being coached to them, when its not. he is saying that the players need to start being more disciplined. I feel that HE needs to instill the discipline. I am not trying to take Freddies side, the penalties show HE DOENST HAVE A SIDE. I am just explaining his train of thought to you and why hes saying that.
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As a previous player I know players commit penalties for three reasons:
1. They are physically overmatched. See the SF game. Our oline was physically overmatched. Not the coaches fault although the coach can scheme to limit this disadvantage
2. They are in a bad position (bad scheme) relative to their equally talented opponents. Definitely on the coach.
3. They are undisciplined and unfocused. This most definitely is on the coach, although it is hard to point a finger at a certain thing the coach is or is not doing to create this situation. Maybe urgency to be accountable is not there.
I believe our problem is number 3. Unfortunately this is the worst of the 3 for the coach, because its basically means either his management style or the way people respond to him is what drives the problem. Fixing it probably means changing your personality and I don't think that is likely.
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I also think fatigue can lead to it too ... mental mistakes, out of position, etc ... and that as well could be contributed to coaching/training/preparation
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As a previous player I know players commit penalties for three reasons:
1. They are physically overmatched. See the SF game. Our oline was physically overmatched. Not the coaches fault although the coach can scheme to limit this disadvantage
2. They are in a bad position (bad scheme) relative to their equally talented opponents. Definitely on the coach.
3. They are undisciplined and unfocused. This most definitely is on the coach, although it is hard to point a finger at a certain thing the coach is or is not doing to create this situation. Maybe urgency to be accountable is not there.
I believe our problem is number 3. Unfortunately this is the worst of the 3 for the coach, because its basically means either his management style or the way people respond to him is what drives the problem. Fixing it probably means changing your personality and I don't think that is likely.
I agree with these 3 reasons, and I think its #1 and #3. Our Oline is not that talented, and I think FK instilled these guys to play like this during camp. We saw it when we practiced with the colts with all the fights, etc. Freddie preached - we aint going to back down or whatever he said. Your seeing that now. Just like with AC, coming off suspension, he starts. No accountability. all these penalties, no accountability. OBJ dropping crucial 3rd downs left and right, no accountability. on and on it goes.
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As a previous player I know players commit penalties for three reasons:
3. They are undisciplined and unfocused. This most definitely is on the coach, although it is hard to point a finger at a certain thing the coach is or is not doing to create this situation. Maybe urgency to be accountable is not there.
I believe our problem is number 3. Unfortunately this is the worst of the 3 for the coach, because its basically means either his management style or the way people respond to him is what drives the problem. Fixing it probably means changing your personality and I don't think that is likely.
^^ Agreed!
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Maybe the league is chock full of stupid guys and we hit the lottery.
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What is our record with an average head coach? For example, if Jay Gruden is our head coach what is our record?
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As a previous player I know players commit penalties for three reasons:
3. They are undisciplined and unfocused. This most definitely is on the coach, although it is hard to point a finger at a certain thing the coach is or is not doing to create this situation. Maybe urgency to be accountable is not there.
I believe our problem is number 3. Unfortunately this is the worst of the 3 for the coach, because its basically means either his management style or the way people respond to him is what drives the problem. Fixing it probably means changing your personality and I don't think that is likely.
^^ Agreed! You play the way you practice, so if we play sloppy, practices must be even worst. Penalties its all a matter of coaching: concentration and discipline. All in all, I think Kitchens should have been replaced after game 1, the way we play its inexcusable.
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We have 591 penalty yards so far this year on 70 penalties. We've played seven games. 591/7=84.4285714286. Marlon Mack is the seventh leading rusher in the league averaging 84 yards per game. We are giving teams one Marlon Mack per game just by our own incompetence.
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We have 591 penalty yards so far this year on 70 penalties. We've played seven games. 591/7=84.4285714286. Marlon Mack is the seventh leading rusher in the league averaging 84 yards per game. We are giving teams one Marlon Mack per game just by our own incompetence. Yup, teams don't have to beat us, they just have to wait until we beat ourselves... Penalties and turnovers... Dorsey has to step in soon.
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"Perfect practice makes perfect." I believe that's credited to Vince Lombardi.
Football coaches often run guys before practices. As a hockey coach ALL conditioning was done AFTER we practiced skilled plays and drill. Why make em tired beforehand?
Not saying that's Fred's MO by the way.
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I wonder if Dorsey regrets the coaching decision he made? Should have left things the way they were at the end of last season.
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I wonder if Dorsey regrets the coaching decision he made? Should have left things the way they were at the end of last season. I think he probably has regrets but it's probably too early to say he regrets the overall decision. I don't think hiring Gregg Williams was the right choice and am grateful he's not our head coach.
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I don't think hiring Gregg Williams was the right choice and am grateful he's not our head coach. Agreed.
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"Perfect practice makes perfect." I believe that's credited to Vince Lombardi.
Football coaches often run guys before practices. As a hockey coach ALL conditioning was done AFTER we practiced skilled plays and drill. Why make em tired beforehand?
Not saying that's Fred's MO by the way. Don't think they are over worked, quite the opposite. If anything they look like that are not getting enough work..
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Kitchens was a bad fit from the start
He had never been a HC at any other level
Yet Dorsey is going to give a job that only
31 other men can claim in the world ?
Like I said Kitchens lacked the resume
And credentails to be a HC.
But his fan club wouldn't hear of it
He's more built for the Cleveland Muni League
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As a side note.. I dont agree with all the decisions Freddy has made but name ONE last week that cost us the game.. Name em all that u think contributed to the loss ? U wanted to RUN the ball.. He ran it. U wanted more quick hitters.. u got it. Nothing he DID or didnt do cost us the game. The loss was sealed the minute we had the three quick turnovers. Blame who u want on those plays , but it wasnt play calling. The PLAYERS have to take some responsibility at some point. Just about everybody seems to make a mistake as some point.. It hasnt been the same guy or couple of guys that u can just bench to send a message. Do we need more disipline ? Im all for it.. Id probably make a player sit for commiting a stupid penalty but eventually we would run out of players.
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I thought he would be our hire last year ...
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With Dorsey's deep ties with the Packers, I thought it would be a done deal.
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We were interested in McCarthy
What I just looked up was that if we hired McCarthy, he had to keep Freddie as oc and McCarthy declined
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We were interested in McCarthy
What I just looked up was that if we hired McCarthy, he had to keep Freddie as oc and McCarthy declined Not sure if that was entirely true or just a rumor put out there. There's this...
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Going down the list of current HC’s in the NFL, there aren’t many who I”d choose after FK, even amongst the rookie HCs. Heck, I think Kingsbury would be better for Baker Mike McCarthy comes to mind...
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If we are going to lose, I'd rather it be because the other team if better, not because our HC make poor decisions and is arrogant about it.
At this point I'd rather have Jeff Fisher running this team, and that's saying something
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Lima isn't necessarily a clown...i enjoy him and Ken in the morning...but he's largely irrelevant.
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We were interested in McCarthy
What I just looked up was that if we hired McCarthy, he had to keep Freddie as oc and McCarthy declined Not sure if that was entirely true or just a rumor put out there. There's this... For what it’s worth, it was in this article https://nflspinzone.com/2019/01/09/cleveland-browns-mike-mccarthy-bullet-dodged/
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Two things we would have had with GW would have been player discipline and player accountability. I'm just sayin...
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Two things we would have had with GW would have been player discipline and player accountability. I'm just sayin... GW is not going to last very long in this league. His mentality has no place in the NFL.
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Two things we would have had with GW would have been player discipline and player accountability. I'm just sayin... GW is not going to last very long in this league. His mentality has no place in the NFL. umm he has been in the league for like... 30 years.
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Two things we would have had with GW would have been player discipline and player accountability. I'm just sayin... GW is not going to last very long in this league. His mentality has no place in the NFL. umm he has been in the league for like... 30 years. #GoodOleBuyClub #TheCocoon
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I think he deserves at LEAST the year, but if we lose to Denver with a kid that hasn't thrown an NFL pass, it might get ugly for him.
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