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I have an unpopular opinion....
I'm waiting for all this greatness that Dorsey is said to have done for this franchise to show up and translate to wins.
His best pick without a doubt was Nick Chubb.
And like I said, he doesn't seem to have a plan. He's acquired skill positions with no rhyme or reason other than to acquire them.
He's trading good players for different good players without replacing the good players he's traded away.
He had all offseason to upgrade the tackles on the offensive line and did nothing, and now we are in desperation mode to acquire someone and we were possibly trading future assets for a 2 year rental... yikes.
He said the reason why we drafted Ward over Chubb was because better corners would allow the line to get to the quarterback, then he proceeded to dismantle the entire defensive line.
I'm sorry, but I just don't see a plan here at all. I hope one emerges, but it seems like we are just a collection of talent who have no idea what to do. If a team is a collection of talent with no idea what to do, then that is on coaching - not the GM. I lean more towards this thinking...
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I lean toward that thinking too - but the way the Browns structure is organized, the HC rolls up to the GM and it was the GM who appointed the HC. So Dorsey owns the talented roster - kudos ... he also owns the rookie HC. Let's wait and see how the rookie HC improves and grows in his role before we cast judgement.
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Dorsey gave us the talent (Still need help with OL, LB, S) to win now, it's up to the Coaches to discipline them and put them in the places to win ...
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There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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I have an unpopular opinion....
I'm waiting for all this greatness that Dorsey is said to have done for this franchise to show up and translate to wins.
His best pick without a doubt was Nick Chubb.
And like I said, he doesn't seem to have a plan. He's acquired skill positions with no rhyme or reason other than to acquire them.
He's trading good players for different good players without replacing the good players he's traded away.
He had all offseason to upgrade the tackles on the offensive line and did nothing, and now we are in desperation mode to acquire someone and we were possibly trading future assets for a 2 year rental... yikes.
He said the reason why we drafted Ward over Chubb was because better corners would allow the line to get to the quarterback, then he proceeded to dismantle the entire defensive line.
I'm sorry, but I just don't see a plan here at all. I hope one emerges, but it seems like we are just a collection of talent who have no idea what to do. FYI, Zane Gonzalez was just picked NFC ST player of the month. Too bad Dorsey basically said he stunk. #notenoughtalent That might be the worst case of revisionist BS I've seen on here. Zane was missing chip shots, which directly cost us 2 (?) games. It came out later that he was hurt. We needed a kicker that could at least make chip shots. He wasn't the guy at that point. You don't think the team knew he was hurt? lol. if the team didn't know he was hurt - that's on the team (Dorsey) for failing by putting a hurt player on the field, and inexcusable as well. Not really a good comeback there bud. My recollection was that the team did NOT know he was hurt... but that is largely irrelevant. Zane got cut because he was costing us games. Plain and simple. What were they supposed to do... hang onto him and say stuff like "he's struggling but we believe in him"? Same people on here smirking about our cut kicker being named ST player of the month would be setting fire to Berea.
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Im wondering who chose the HC...
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my logic is that there is no way in heck the team didn't know he was hurt.
This is a professional sports team. With the best doctors in the world on the sidelines, with the most advanced technology and medicine available at their disposal. They have personal trainers, coaches, physicians, massage therapist, personal chefs, etc all on staff to make sure the players are in peak physical form.
Do you not think that in practice, they would not have seen him struggling? He wouldn't have been getting ANY treatments or massages? He wouldn't have been soaking in tubs of ice or a hot tub?
I am saying if the team says they didn't know he was hurt, I am calling the team a liar.
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I could swear the injury occurred the day of the game...
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I could swear the injury occurred the day of the game...
He missed a FG game one, then game two he missed a few more, then was let go. I was pretty sure it was later reported he was injured before game 1, and had been kicking injured the two games.
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my logic is that there is no way in heck the team didn't know he was hurt.
This is a professional sports team. With the best doctors in the world on the sidelines, with the most advanced technology and medicine available at their disposal. They have personal trainers, coaches, physicians, massage therapist, personal chefs, etc all on staff to make sure the players are in peak physical form.
Do you not think that in practice, they would not have seen him struggling? He wouldn't have been getting ANY treatments or massages? He wouldn't have been soaking in tubs of ice or a hot tub?
I am saying if the team says they didn't know he was hurt, I am calling the team a liar. I assume you're replying to me. If you're not, let me know. I'll reiterate what I said before. Whether the team knew he was injured or not is largely irrelevant to the conversation. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24710098/cleveland-browns-change-kicker-zane-gonzalez-missesThe first paragraph is the beginning and end of why we cut Gonzalez. His kicking was costing us games. Whether that was because of talent or injury is and was irrelevant. We didn't cut him because #notalent or whatever the snarky response is right now. It's because having him kick at that point was costing us games. .... which is why it's silly to be all snarky that he was picked up by another team and is apparently doing well.
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I could swear the injury occurred the day of the game...
He missed a FG game one, then game two he missed a few more, then was let go. I was pretty sure it was later reported he was injured before game 1, and had been kicking injured the two games. Ahhh, okay. I thought he was injured during the second game.
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my logic is that there is no way in heck the team didn't know he was hurt.
This is a professional sports team. With the best doctors in the world on the sidelines, with the most advanced technology and medicine available at their disposal. They have personal trainers, coaches, physicians, massage therapist, personal chefs, etc all on staff to make sure the players are in peak physical form.
Do you not think that in practice, they would not have seen him struggling? He wouldn't have been getting ANY treatments or massages? He wouldn't have been soaking in tubs of ice or a hot tub?
I am saying if the team says they didn't know he was hurt, I am calling the team a liar. I assume you're replying to me. If you're not, let me know. I'll reiterate what I said before. Whether the team knew he was injured or not is largely irrelevant to the conversation. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/24710098/cleveland-browns-change-kicker-zane-gonzalez-missesThe first paragraph is the beginning and end of why we cut Gonzalez. His kicking was costing us games. Whether that was because of talent or injury is and was irrelevant. We didn't cut him because #notalent or whatever the snarky response is right now. It's because having him kick at that point was costing us games. .... which is why it's silly to be all snarky that he was picked up by another team and is apparently doing well. Im curious, then, if someone is injured - typically in the NFL, do they just get cut? Not being snarky, but you have an injured reserve list for a reason. You can place players on IR. depending on his injury, they easily could have not cut him if that was the issue. OBVIOUSLY, cutting him was a mistake, as he is having a great year so far. Hes 21-24. He has kicked more FG in October 11/12 than Siebert has kicked in 7 games. Now, Siebert has been doing well. But lets not forget how shakey he was in the off season. To the point where we really didn't know who our kicker was gong to be until the final roster came out. They dodged a bullet, because if Siebert was struggling, I could see the backlash coming from that. But the theres no way the team didn't know he was hurt, meaning they should have put him on IR and kept him.
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My recollection was that we didn't actually know he was injured (that came out later), but I very well could be wrong about that. Let's be honest, that wouldn't be the most ridiculous thing that has happened with this team.
I promise I will see if I can find an article that sheds more light on the specific timeline. Can't do that now.
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Found this... Report: Former Cleveland Browns kicker Zane Gonzalez gets injury settlementKicker Zane Gonzalez was playing with a slightly torn groin that was diagnosed when he visited Dr. William Meyers in Philadelphia, according to a report from ESPN.com's Adam Schefter, and Gonzalez reached an injury settlement of $35,000 with the Cleveland Browns, the report added. The Browns waived Gonzalez after he missed two field-goal attempts and two extra-point tries in a three-point loss to the New Orleans Saints in September. From Schefter: Meyers told Gonzalez that he suffered an injury that ordinarily would sideline kickers for "a legit three weeks," according to a source. Gonzalez suffered the injury during pregame warm-ups before the Week 2 game against New Orleans and didn't tell the Browns' medical staff about the injury until halftime. Gonzalez missed 44- and 52-yard field goals that could have resulted in a victory for Cleveland. But four weeks later, Gonzalez is feeling better and is expected to have tryouts with other NFL teams before the end of this month, according to a source. Multiple reports at the time Gonzalez was waived indicated that he was kicking with a groin injury that required an MRI. And Browns head coach Hue Jackson surprisingly said he was unaware of that injury. "I knew nothing about an injury whatsoever so that was new to me," Jackson told reporters at the time.https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/...ort/1648592002/
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If he didn't tell staff, he shouldn't get a settlement IMHO.
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Found this... Report: Former Cleveland Browns kicker Zane Gonzalez gets injury settlementKicker Zane Gonzalez was playing with a slightly torn groin that was diagnosed when he visited Dr. William Meyers in Philadelphia, according to a report from ESPN.com's Adam Schefter, and Gonzalez reached an injury settlement of $35,000 with the Cleveland Browns, the report added. The Browns waived Gonzalez after he missed two field-goal attempts and two extra-point tries in a three-point loss to the New Orleans Saints in September. From Schefter: Meyers told Gonzalez that he suffered an injury that ordinarily would sideline kickers for "a legit three weeks," according to a source. Gonzalez suffered the injury during pregame warm-ups before the Week 2 game against New Orleans and didn't tell the Browns' medical staff about the injury until halftime. Gonzalez missed 44- and 52-yard field goals that could have resulted in a victory for Cleveland. But four weeks later, Gonzalez is feeling better and is expected to have tryouts with other NFL teams before the end of this month, according to a source. Multiple reports at the time Gonzalez was waived indicated that he was kicking with a groin injury that required an MRI. And Browns head coach Hue Jackson surprisingly said he was unaware of that injury. "I knew nothing about an injury whatsoever so that was new to me," Jackson told reporters at the time.https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/...ort/1648592002/Unless I'm misreading (possible, so call me out if I am), Gonzalez was waived because he missed a bunch of FGs that directly cost us a game. IIRC, he had more misses in the previous game. Turns out, those misses were due to an injury (that may or may not have been disclosed prior to his being waived). .... and let's take a step back here. We're talking about a kicker. One that, turns out, we replaced with a rookie and now we're doing fine. So I'll make this my last response on the matter (because I feel like I'm beating a dead horse), the whole #nofootballplayers snark is misplaced here.
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I don't think is. Siebert was garbage this offseason, lets not forget.
And it very well could have caused a problem or hole on the team, for no reason.
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Also, you say just a kicker, but Baker has 7 TD on the season for 42 points.
Zane has 22 FG and 15 XP, for 81 points.....
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But those handoffs, though....
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It's a good thing the off season doesn't count. Because when it counts the kid has been money.
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j/c That trade the Steelers made to improve their team just made another game-changing play. Meanwhile, we get to switch back to Robinson...I'm gleeful  .
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j/c That trade the Steelers made to improve their team just made another game-changing play. Meanwhile, we get to switch back to Robinson...I'm gleeful . Not making a trade at the trade deadline doesn't have anything to do with where we are this season. Play better, coach better. Win more.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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We must win today or I can see this whole team exploding ...
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We must win today or I can see this whole team exploding ... oh yeah, for sure, if we don't win today the season is probably over, the boo birds will come out and the media will drum up tons of drama. So let's win!
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j/c That trade the Steelers made to improve their team just made another game-changing play. Meanwhile, we get to switch back to Robinson...I'm gleeful . Who would you have traded for?
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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j/c That trade the Steelers made to improve their team just made another game-changing play. Meanwhile, we get to switch back to Robinson...I'm gleeful . Who would you have traded for? Good Question ...
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Who would you have traded for?
Joe Thomas's shadow.
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j/c That trade the Steelers made to improve their team just made another game-changing play. Meanwhile, we get to switch back to Robinson...I'm gleeful . Who would you have traded for? Halapoulivaati Vaitai T Philadelphia
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j/c That trade the Steelers made to improve their team just made another game-changing play. Meanwhile, we get to switch back to Robinson...I'm gleeful . Who would you have traded for? Halapoulivaati Vaitai T Philadelphia Why didn't Philly trade him somewhere, considering the dearth of talent at the T position?
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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Questions????
Is Baker the answer or is he just another Kaepernick one year wonder?
Why did we do this; New York had traded Beckham to Cleveland in exchange for a first-round pick (No. 17 overall) the second of the Browns' third-round picks (No. 95) and safety Jabrill Peppers, and OL Kevin Zeitler?
Will we draft T, S, T ?
Could we trade OBJ for anything worthwhile?
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That’s disrespectful to kaep.
He at least got to the Super Bowl and followed that up with another conference title appearance the next season.
Baker got us 7 wins and we all crowned him, which most certainly includes me.
And I was sorely mistaken, as of now. So far baker has shown very little ability to be anything other than a 1 read QB.
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Nothing is disrespect-able to Kaep. That dude is pure trash.
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By that standard, baker should’ve never been drafted, because he’s worse.
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So... its Haslam's fault. Got it.
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So... its Haslam's fault. Got it. So far, a more than decent argument can be made for this IMO.
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I feel like Dorsey's choice of coaches is so perplexing that he has a plan.
Maybe the real coaches show up next season. Freddy and Co are just temporary.
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