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For sure. But it's not like being a top QB in the country at the College level and being the Heisman winner wasn't just a little bit -- like a teeny weeny tinsie little bit like being a star?

As for the rest of it ... Baker owns his struggles. His lack of accuracy from last year, some poor decisions leaving the pocket too early, perhaps choosing not to take the easy shorter passes when they might have been there. . . . 100%. What's not helping Baker - is a long list of contributing factors.

Vince and RG III in college were even bigger stars... NFL is just another level,it requires hard work and being focused. Manziel could be another example.

I didn't say a WCO. I was talking about RPOs, cutting the field in half, focusing on quick reads, mass protection, etc. Baker succeeded in that offense last year. It's not like he suddenly lost everything. I will admit that teams have more information on him and can try and take that stuff away, but I think it's the way to go for the rest of this year.

Also, I saw progress by Baker in the Seattle game. He was throwing to his first read more and he was much better in the pocket.

After this season is over, I hope he does some of the mental studying that I tried talking about earlier in the thread. Too hard to do that now. Now, it's about learning the game plan and preparing for the week's upcoming opponent. The time to grow mentally and improve your mechanics is during the off-season.

I was hoping we would sign a FB during the bye week and run some 21 and 22 personnel like we did last year. I think Hammer mentioned that Telfer lined up at FB twice this year. Maybe he'll get some reps in the backfield.

None of them set a rookie record for TDs. Luck? lol.

What? Telfer?


This is 2019.

Sorry. Pharaoh Brown, not Telfer.

None was on the path to set the TD records either... And if I recall, all took the teams to the playoffs.

I was just illustrating how important the mental part of the game is,specially when things start to go south.

I don't agree. With any of it. But I'll respect your opinion.

Latest stats for Baker:

32nd in Rating

25th in QBR

30th in TDs

Leads the league in interceptions

16th in YPG

3rd last in Completion Percentage.



https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/player/_/view/offense/table/passing/sort/completionPct/dir/desc

It's all Gregg Robinson's fault.

two great football posts. Nice.

I fear Belichick will absolutely befuddle Mayfield today. It could be ugly...

I think Belichick befuddled Freddie..or Freddie befuddled himself..or something.

Okay. What is so funny? I actually reported your post and 888's for not being football posts, especially after 888 said my post was not about football. The refs decided that posts like yours and 888's are "football posts." So, I am going to defend myself.

My post was a football post. They are facts. Not opinions.

Uh.......this post or yours definitely is not a football post. You gonna "report" yourself? Or do you get a pass?

Edited to add this: It's nice to know you report people for not staying on the topic you think they should stay on.

I'm sure many will keep that in mind in the future regarding you.

J/C

I'm really trying hard not to lose faith in Baker, especially since I was convinced last year that we finally chose the right guy to lead us into the future.

But man..he's making it tough. I'm really starting to question his accuracy. Which I thought was one of his strong suits last year.

Every other QB in the league (Andy Dalton included) could have hit that TD pass to Harris down the sideline but Baker underthrew it by a mile and off the DB's helment even? Lack of touch, overthrows, and under throws it just seems like he can't find his groove this year.

I'm not giving up on him, but my confidence in him being the guy is dwindling.

You can report me, arch.

I posted facts. You guys have made it personal. Those attacks do not change the facts.

I've mentioned this throw a couple of times myself. It is simply not a throw franchise QBs should miss.

However, this season has been atypical from just weird things happening that I think I'm willing to write to off. I mean he got a shovel pass intercepted. Has anyone ever seen anything like that? We have no identity on offense. I think Baker showed some decent things today despite missing that throw.

I'm not a reporter. You, by your own admission, are.

I am not giving up on him, either. However, he's been bad. Very bad.

Dude runs into sacks. He holds it too long. He passes up open receivers and forces the ball to deeper receivers. He is a one-read guy. He makes more commercials than Tom Brady. Dude is holding this team back. There is an old phrase that applies to him in coaching circles. That phrase is "coach killer."

You read this board and you see that when things were going well, the narrative was "Baker is a franchise qb, a HOFer." It was about how he "threw guys open." It was about citing his "rookie TD record." No mention of those who helped him. This year, it's "the OL wont allow him to step up in the pocket," he rolls right because he has guys in his face because GRob sucks so bad," his "HC sucks so bad," even though that was the same dude who coached him last year when he turned it around.

He has some talent and hopefully he can turn it around, but the amount of lies, bullying, and misleading posts on here are not going to help him turn it around. Right now, he is the biggest problem on the team.

I will add this..........all qbs miss throws. He should have made that throw, but it wasn't that far off and all qbs have throws that they miss. What bugs me about Baker is how poor he is at reading coverages. This one-read crap thing is annoying. Him not throwing the ball to the open receiver is annoying. Early in the game, I see a receiver wide freaking open underneath on the right side and I think Baker is throwing to him. The dude was running upfield and I envision a big play. Instead, he forces a deeper pass to Calloway who as working his way back to Baker in tight coverage farther down the field. Result was an incomplete pass. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Another example is how many times Romo pointed out how Brady just threw the ball in the dirt. Baker doesn't. He plays hero ball.

And while I get that it's hard for most fans to internalize a time clock in their head while they are typing, talking, drinking, etc..............how in the world can not everyone not recognize how much faster Brady got rid of the ball than Baker?

Under thrown by a mile? Perhaps 2 feet.

I think you are possibly convoluting 2 things: getting rid of the ball quickly, and accuracy.

I also have to wonder if you haven't been hitting the bottle quite heavily. Your spelling is way off, which makes me wonder if your thoughts aren't possibly off.

It's ok. As I told my wife after the first quarter: I may have to drink a bit.

But, the Browns made it a game. Stupid 3 turnovers on 3 straight snaps. Stupid penalties. Missed opportunities...........and I went water most of the game.

I thought baker moved well in the pocket,getting the ball out fast. Was accurate mostly and decisive.

For the most part, he did. But that doesn't suit someones agenda.

Can't blame Baker for the fumbles, but you can blame him for the 'behind the line of scrimmage interception'. Can't blame him for the drops.......can't blame him for the penalties.

Please stop. That was not me who said that.

You don't have an agenda? LMAO.

Alright, I'm done w/you. Have a good night building yourself up by knocking others.

2 feet is a mile when he needed to lead the guy who had 2 steps on the defender. That was a poorly thrown ball, I really believe most college qb's could hit that throw. It was bad.

You are correct. You didn't say that. My apology to you.

I've never seen such a crusade against one player or coach ever just because a guy doesn't personally like a player. Some of what he says is true, some of it is embellishment...but he says the same thing over and over and over again. Sometimes it's direct, sometimes it's passive aggressive. He's embarrassing himself. I'm embarrassed for him at this point.

Baker snuck up on teams last year. He didn't go up.against any real good
Defenses in 2018.
Fast foward now. Their is film on him now. Defenses know how to play him.
He's regressed.
He might end up having a career like Chad Pennington. Chad peaked very early In his career and never got better afterwards. His TD to INT got worse.
Baker in the off season was more concerned about trying to be "Baker"
Instead of being a better QB.

Or perhaps what Baker needs is a coach and/or mentor who will help him take step forward in his maturation and teach him what it takes to be a professional in the NFL. I don't care about all the commercials (I find them quite entertaining). By maturation I mean stop feeding in to "chip on the shoulder" "no one expects us to win" BS that Freddie himself emulates. A back against the wall mentality is only appropriate when you don't have many choices and accept the fact that you are way more likely to fail in your endeavor than be successful.

It's time for this team to become a grown up

All I did was laugh. I come here for entertainment, and I find your infatuation with slamming Baker entertaining.

Another thread bites the dust, another thread bites the dust, Ba Ba Bum, Bum, Bum

Since you mentioned me by name and - gasp - reported me:

This post - 2 weeks after Baker's last game - is an agenda post, not a football post. Anyone and everyone who has been on this board for a short while knows and sees that very clearly.

Jc

Yesterday wasn’t on baker. As crap as he’s been playing this year, I dunno why people are piling on him for this game.

I agree 100%. No one wants to talk about the things he improved on yesterday.

Well New England just took the day off, so in all truth we can't access his play, it was a pre-season game.

Although I continued to see many of the problems he is having... specially when in the other side you had a really great QB that always does the right thing.

By the way, his INT just sealed the game... if anything that was the deciding moment. It was a butt fumble...

j/c

Baker did show improvement on getting rid of the ball quicker at least early in the game. Again this week he stepped up more like last week. While he did have some errant passes, he had streaks when he looked pretty good.

If he can continue to improve from week to week he can become his old self.

Expecting him to begin to go through his progressions and try and read D's post snap certainly creates a learning curve. We've seen a lot of that. But I'm seeing signs that it's starting to come together.