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beecoz moar Chubb = moar winnz!!!!

This might be on the Top 10 list of the dumbest things a coach has ever said:

What? That makes zero sense.

Because his production has been great he scores TD's and from anywhere on the field, and let me say that in the Seattle game we were up 20-6 1st and goal inside the 10 and we were intercepted off a tip that probably should have been caught, why not give the ball to Chubb 3 times he doesn't fumble and most likely we lead 27-6 at halftime ... Thats why ... Chubb needs more touches JMHO

go jumbo stuff it down there throats

I think our defence will be alright.

Baker is the key. Their defense is going to test him. I hope it don't happen, but with our line and Baker, I just get the feeling it is going to be Sam Darnold part 2 starring Baker Mayfield.

Good chance of that. NE is always prepared. Early mistakes against them can turn a game ugly fast. And Belichick will never take his foot off the gas.

Here's the book on Baker's personality type: he loves being the disrespected underdog. It gives him incentive and focus. We all saw things last year that were simply eye-popping... and lots of those moments came in games where BM felt he had something to prove.

We've had 2 weeks to get the O set up for this game. If the game plan gives Baker Mayfield an odds-even chance against BB's D, he has the ability to play inspired football and make the difference. Baker is due for a 2018-type performance. Why not this Sunday?

I respect your take, but I hope I'm right.

I agree we can win the game. We always play well against New England.

I agree on pressure up the middle. That is how you get Brady off his game. I might even line Myles up in a tackle slot now and then. He for sure would get the double from the center. That could open up a blitz up the middle. I would also consider blitzing but dropping a lineman in to a zone coverage.

Run the ball. Make the investment.

Quick passes and when we take our shots deep, run some max protect. Keep the back in to help with the backside rush and a TE on the strong side. If Bake rolls, the TE breaks off to catch the ball wide open or to block if Baker runs.

Patriots – Browns Week 8 Key Matchups, Who Has the Razor’s Edge?
https://www.patsfans.com/patriots/blog/2...he-razors-edge/


The Patriots return home to take on the Cleveland Browns with the opportunity to close out the halfway point of the season 8-0 for the third time in team history. The Patriots defense has been playing at a historically high level and is facing a Browns’ team that can be explosive in both the running and passing games.

With a win on Sunday, Bill Belichick will join the 300 club, it will be the 300th win of his career, which he started with the Browns, earning his first victory against the Patriots.

This week’s game will be broadcast by CBS and can be seen locally on WBZ Channel 4 on Sunday, October 27 at 4:20 p.m.. Jim Nantz will handle play-by-play duties with Tony Romo as the color analyst. Tracy Wolfson will work from the sidelines. The game will also be aired on the Patriots flagship radio station 98.5 The Sports Hub with Bob Socci and Scott Zolak on the call, produced by Marc Capello.

The Patriots (7-0) beat the New York Jets 33-0. The defense intercepted Sam Darnold four times and collected two fumbles. Sony Michel rushed for three touchdowns.

The Browns (2-4) are coming off their bye week.

We here at PatsFans.com are continuing our “Razor’s Edge” column in 2019 to give some quick analysis on some of the key matchups of the game and what you can look for in how the game plays out.

Series History:
The Patriots and Browns are meeting for the 25th time with Cleveland holding a 13-11 overall advantage. The Patriots have won the past five matchups at home however.

Here is a look at some of the key matchups and who holds the Razor’s Edge.

First up is the Patriots offense:

Patriots RBs vs Browns Front Seven – Razor’s Edge Cleveland
This is a matchup that the Patriots should dominate. Cleveland is allowing a whopping 154 yards a game on the ground, including 5 yards a carry. While Cleveland does a great job in getting after the QB, their run defense has been gashed.

However the Patriots running game remains mired in mediocrity in 2019. Sony Michel did rush for three touchdowns last week, but was held to just 42 yards on 19 carries. The offensive line is not opening up nearly enough holes for him to run effectively. Hopefully, the team will get Rex Burkhead back from yet another injury. Burkhead has been the teams’ most effective back overall this season.

Look for the Patriots to try to establish the run in this game by hitting the running game between the tackles. But until we see signs of it improving on the field, the feeling here is that they will continue to scuffle along.

Patriots WRs vs Browns Secondary – Razor’s Edge New England
The Patriots passing game is going thru another change. The injured Josh Gordon has been placed on IR and is to be released as soon as he’s healthy. The team traded for Mohamed Sanu this week and he, Julian Edelman, Phillip Dorsett, Jakobi Meyers will be the team’s WRs this week. With Ben Watson at tight end and James White and possibly Burkhead and Brandon Bolden out of the backfield, Tom Brady will have plenty of places to throw the ball.

The Browns have been excellent at getting after the quarterback this season with 19 sacks, nine of them by Miles Garrett. They’ve had injuries at cornerback but both Denzel Ward and Greedy Williams are expected to be back this week.

Look for the Patriots to give the struggling LT Marshall Newhouse some help this week against Garrett. Brady, as always will try to get the ball out quickly and get his chemistry going with Sanu who will work out of the slot with Edelman and outside. Protection is the key here.

Next up the Browns offense:

Browns RBs vs NE Front Seven – Razor’s Edge Cleveland
Cleveland has the explosive Nick Chubb at running back. He’s gained over 600 yards this season while averaging 5.3 yards per rush and has six touchdowns. The Browns average nearly 120 yards per game on the ground.

The Patriots run defense has been very good overall allowing just 74.7 yards per game on the ground. Danny Shelton, Lawrence Guy, Deatrich Wise, and Adam Butler have done a terrific job at stopping the run at the point of attack and allowing the linebackers to clean up and make plays.

Chubb will get his yards this week, Frank Gore and Le’Veon Bell had good games against the Patriots front seven as well. But will Cleveland be able to run effectively enough to control the game? The feeling here is no.

Browns WRs vs NE Secondary- Razor’s Edge New England
The Browns have some very explosive wide receivers in Odell Beckham Jr., Jarvis Landry along with Chubb out of the backfield. That’s the word that we’ve heard coming out of the Patriots side of the house all week. However, Baker Mayfield has struggled with turning the ball over, throwing 11 interceptions already this year.

The Patriots defense has garnered 25 sacks and 18 interceptions so far this season. They’ve varied the pass rush and the pressure has forced opposing QBs into making far too many mistakes. They also boast an extremely sticky cornerback group who has the ability to shut down the opposition. Beckham Jr. and Stephon Gilmore ought to be the most intriguing matchup of the game. Landry who guaranteed victory in his pregame trash talk will face either Jason McCourty or J.C. Jackson.

Cleveland’s pass protection of Mayfield has been a mess this season. We’ve read that they’ve toyed with changing players in multiple positions during the bye week. We may not see as many of the “0 blitzes” this week, but with the varied pressure they can bring on the QB, I’d expect to see the defense trying to force Mayfield into making more mistakes this week.

Special Teams- Razor’s Edge New England
The Patriots already solid special teams has just received a boost this week when they signed All-Pro ST/S Justin Bethel who was released by the Ravens. He joins Matthew Slater, Brandon Bolden and others in an excellent unit. Mike Nugent has solidified the kicking game while rookie Jake Bailey is having an outstanding rookie season.

The Browns Austin Seibert hasn’t missed a FG this year (8-8), while Jamie Gilan was the STs Player of the Month for September. Dontrelle Hilliard gives Cleveland good return ability. The Patriots at home get the nod here and look for Joe Judge to give Bethel a chance to shine this week..

Next up, who wins and why…
The Patriots are looking for the third 8-0 start in team history. Bill Belichick can earn his 300th career win with the team he earned his first head coaching win a long time ago.With a national television audience, this should be a great game to watch.

Keys to the Game from a Patriots Perspective:
Continue the Turnover Machine – Look for the Patriots defense to try to force Mayfield into making mistakes. No one has thrown more interceptions than he has in the early going this season. By mixing up the pass rush and coming from all different angles, they can pressure an offensive line that has been terrible at protecting its quarterback. They’ll mix up their coverages and show the Browns something different than they’ve seen on tape.

The Running Game is Key This Week: The Browns haven’t been good at defending the run. One way to slow down that pass rush of theirs is to run the ball effectively. If Sony Michel isn’t getting it done, then they should rotate Burkhead or Bolden in more.

On the flip side, limiting Chubb’s effectiveness, puts the onus more on Mayfield’s shoulders. He’s going to get things figured out eventually, and with the WRs they have, their offense will be very good. Just ensure it isn’t this week.

Play a Clean Game: The Patriots can’t allow the Browns to get any short fields for their offense and must protect the ball. Can the Browns generate enough offense on their own to win this game? I’d say no if you’re going by how this season has played out.

Another area to monitor is the flags. The Patriots have been getting flagged more this season it seems than other years. The coaches need to get that cleaned up before it hurts the team in a key situation

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Prediction:
The Patriots defense has been playing at an insanely high level this season. We look for that to continue. Mayfield hasn’t done a good job of protecting the ball and that should once again rear its ugly head in this one. Look for Brady to work the short area of the field with Edelman, White and more of Ben Watson this week. It will be interesting to see how quickly they can get Sanu into the passing offense.

The defense will put pressure on Mayfield and do another great job of blanketing their opponent’s wide receivers. And the home team holds serve. Patriots 24-13

The “Knocking on Sevens’ Door” tour heads back out on the road next week when the Patriots travel to Baltimore to take on the Ravens.

I don't know if this is being discussed somewhere else but I just read an article that said Jarvis Landry guaranteed a win against the Pats. Beautiful. Like we needed to give the Pats more incentive to beat us down. Don't these guys think before they talk? Oh and BB made sure his players knew about it. Great!!!

The article you read was not updated or inaccurate.

So a big game from Jarvis?

Also, I'd be interested to see how that relates to the NFL in general. Can't imagine many team graphs showing density of successful passes getting progressively better for a team as the DOT/air yards increases.

So basically we should take what their giving us; the short pass. Be patient pickup 5-7 yards at a time and when they make a move to stop that we have the speed and weapons to go deep. Could be a plan.

Freddie Kitchens if Rashard Higgins is back, fully integrated in offense this week: "Uh, yes...yes, he is."

So....this really isn't all that significant compared to other teams.

I actually think the fact the curve is much steeper leading up to that first peak is the most interesting part.

The graph is stating that teams have much more success against the rest of the NFL passing behind the LoS, and not much vs the Patriots. Ergo... Patriots are really good at defending the screen and other similar plays that have the pass happening behind LoS?

The thing is that the Patriots are really good against the deep ball. So throwing short passes makes the most sense. Their tendencies on short passes just happen to align with the rest of the league.

I think it’s pretty ... *L* ...

I like a more subtle curve, something like that is bound to put an eye out.

No doubt right up there with getting a BB gun for Christmas.

We have a chance if we win turnover battle and limit penalties, but we really have not done that all year.

Still waiting for our D Line to dominate. Perhaps this is the week. Will need to be if we are going to beat these guys.

There are no "keys" because we have no chance against NE.

Bill Bellichik will take away our best player on offense (Nick Chubb) and force Baker Mayfield to beat them through the air, Mayfield is not even close to being up to the challenge this year...he is the dead last ranked QB across the board....we won't win this game.

I except Ne to put up 35+ on us, we will be lucky to scoare a FG...the Pats D is only giving up like 9.7 points per game, and they are on pace to beat the Ravens of 2000 least amount of points in a year record. Bellichik himself is calling the D this year in game, not an assistant. Mayfield will be seeing more than ghosts come Sunday...he is going to see things he has never saw before...He will look more confused than Jared Goff was in the Super Bowl last year,

I wouldn't bother watching this game, waste of 2 and half hours, go do something more productive or fun with your Sunday. Next week we have a shot of getting another win.

Delete.

Kitchens/ Belichick is an obvious mismatch but you're whining a bit. (ok, a lot)

I know this is a bit shocking when I say this but this will be the most talented offense NE has faced this year. Their schedule has been cake thus far.

Yes, we're going to lose but it's not going to be THAT bad. 27-17 NE wins.

I feel like no one is talking about the weather in Foxboro Sunday, I don’t think anyone brought it up on WKNR today, except briefly on Browns Daily.

Sunday

Rain, mainly after 9am. The rain could be heavy at times. Patchy fog after 1pm. High near 54. Southeast wind 6 to 10 mph, with gusts as high as 21 mph. Chance of precipitation is 100%. New precipitation amounts between a quarter and half of an inch possible.

That’s actually not true on both fronts. If the game was payed 100 times, the Browns would win several times. If there was a common occurrence that lead those victories, those would be the keys to victory.

What's a key???

Bill's expression for Freddie and the Browns...



Same as for Gase and the Jets...

I think the weather favours us, if it gets nasty. Run Chubb, use short passes.

-I think stopping Chubb is going to be BB's #1 priority. If Chubb is allowed to run it gives us a chance to control the clock. Now, I think we need to count on that and turn it to our advantage. Unless the Pats get out by a few scores early forcing us to go 1 dimensional, we still need to give Chubb 20+ touches. Because he can bust it for a score at any time, BB will have to take him seriously every time he touches the ball. That bodes well for our play action.

-Unless our Oline is getting beat, I say we stay away from the screens. I don't think we execute all that well and we don't set it up very well either. If we run it just to run it, the Pats will blow it up.

-I think Ogunjobi needs to have a really good day. If he can get that penetration that he can, the sacks will follow and we may even be able to push Brady in to a turnover.

-Denzel and Greedy need to have a good game also. I'm not worried about Money Mitch, but if we have to rely on Carrie, we'll get torched.

-WR's... for all the talk about how deep our talent level at that position is coming in to the season, we need a game plan that finally shows it. We've got OBJ, Landry, Higgins, Callaway and even this TE Seals seems to be coming in to his own a bit... the theory is "If you take away one of these guys, we don't care because we'll burn you with another". We need to put that in action.

Here is why I think the weather favors NE

Watching that MNF game, I thought their offense excelled in 2 phases. Running the ball, and short precision passing. Our corners aren’t known for tackling, I think this game is classically won in the trenches.

We can only hope that the OL can function as needed. BB has too much going for them as a team. We need to see if we can pressure Brady some, contain Edelman, and tackle. But I hope it gets better for us. If they play man, we can do that well.

Just win, baby. Does Vegas post lines on the refs? Thought just popped up. We could use a few "Brady breaks" to fall our way.

Against the Pats and in their yard...not likely.

You don't watch a whole game?

NE usually plays man to man, so I expect the opposite. Baker struggles with zone coverage. I wouldn't put it past him to rush four and flood the zones and just wait for Baker to throw the INT.

I was all in on Baker, but the INTs remind me of every QB we have had for decades. How many games over the past 20 years were lost at the end due to a horrible INT. Things never change no matter how much talent we have. If it's not an INT, it will be a TE running uncovered.