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Mike, I well remember that day. I was IN Philly, with my then boyfriend (a HUUUUUUGE Eagles fan). We (the Browns) had just drafted Couch. Everyone in Philly thought the Eagles would pick Ricky Williams. It could have been ANYONE (but Ricky) and they would have boo'd.
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i like donovan mcnabb as a player, but he's wrong...
he brings up carson palmer and peyton manning, and says they don't get nearly the criticism that he gets...
oh really?
peyton manning, before last february wasn't on the receiving end of criticism? the whole "can't win the big one" thing?
and he left out one other fact... carson palmer plays in cincinnati, peyton manning plays in indianapolis
donovan mcnabb plays in philadelphia, which is one of the biggest sports markets in america... so of course the scrutiny will be bigger
but to say it's because he's black? what about eli manning and all the unfair criticism he's gotten playing in new york?
he's wrong, and he's wrong by a mile.
i'm tired of the race card being overused, there is no reason to play it on this issue.
people in philly don't care that donovan mcnabb is black, they just want their team to win, and win badly, just like the rest of us...
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Did Doug Williams feel heat in Washington? maybe someone can help me out with that, because it was before my time, but the guy won a super bowl, I'm gonna say prolly not.
Actually, Doug Williams felt a lot of heat in DC, even though Washington's population is 80% black. As a matter of fact, Doug Williams was asked a number of questions involving being the first black QB in the Super Bowl. It was even worse when he first came up, as a black QB in Tampa.....
As to feeling the heat in DC... Check out the link...
www.snopes.com/sports/football/williams.asp
Williams handled all the hoopla in a very positive manner. So much so that Williams is credited with having been a very positive image as the first black QB in the Super Bowl. If McNabb thinks he's had problems, he should have been around, attempting to compete at the time Williams played.
Earlier today, some Sports Center commentators stated that NFL Football fans root for the uniform, not the color of the player inside it. While that may not always have been the case, I think in today's NFL, it's the uniform that matters, not the color of the player inside.... 
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Philly fans are the scum of the NFL and I am sure good ole Donovan is under a lot of pressure from those jerks and their media. But still this black card BS is getting old and tired. African American guys playing Qb is not a rare thing at all anymore.  It's not race Donovan,,it's just the position b/c it's a leadership role,,why don't you act like one!
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Agree.
I never even thought of it til this thread got me thinking about race, but Simon Fraser's the only white guy on D, hope he can take the pressure. 
Kudos to the poster who talked about 'representing yourself well.'
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Good point(s),,,...I have never given Fraser's "limitations" a second thought. Always have wanted him to play better, but never realized he couldn't because he was white,....  I hate the race card. Most especially when used as an excuse for poor performance.
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It's very hard to represent your race, but black people (generally) are looking for positives, so when we have someone who has attained something that was previously unattainable, we are all watching that particular person.
Until people realize that their is only one "RACE" the human race, this stupid crap will keep popping up. Why is it bud, that you think you are speaking for all black people? and why do you feel the need to even lump all of them together into a seperate group?
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It's very hard to represent your race, but black people (generally) are looking for positives, so when we have someone who has attained something that was previously unattainable, we are all watching that particular person.
Until people realize that their is only one "RACE" the human race, this stupid crap will keep popping up. Why is it bud, that you think you are speaking for all black people? and why do you feel the need to even lump all of them together into a seperate group?
I've never said I speak for all black people, thus putting the general in parentheses. You can keep this "we are the world" mentality if you want to, but I deal in reality, and not everyone feels the way you do, and there is more than one race, period. If you have a problem with that, do something about it. Write a book, become a motivational speaker. Until people start treating people who are different, the way they would treat people who look the same as them, this "stupid crap" will keep popping up.
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Good point(s),,,...I have never given Fraser's "limitations" a second thought. Always have wanted him to play better, but never realized he couldn't because he was white,....
Until it was pointed out I never realized he was the only white guy on defense. No wonder our defense sucks. We need more crackers 
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It is 2007. What professional player or anybody for that matter born after 1866 has had to fight for their right to be called a human being?
I think that the race card is played way too often and in this case it is one man trying to run from the fact that he isn't all that good in his chosen profession but the above statement was just plain old stupid. Ever hear of Jim Crow ? How bout this little thing called segregation ? The whole Civil Rights movement? Tell me you really don't believe that there was no oppression after 1866 because that is what you directly implied. I may understand the larger point you were trying to make but when you put incomplete thoughts out there it doesn't help the argument.
Alot of Black academics, at least to me, always want to lay the cause of the problems at the feet of racism and although the racist history of this country cannot be disputed we have come a long way from those days and we still have a ways to go but .......
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But there are more black players in the league, so I guess that means the white players are really the ones under pressure.
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BUNK,, Tell me how many QB's were more under the microscope for every move they made than Tim Couch, Jeff Garcia, Charlie Frye etc etc etc...
What I'm driving at is if your good and it shows,, you won't get picked on. If there is doubt, they will pick on you until you die.... It don't matter if your black or white.. Look around, you will see what I mean
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he needs to worry about how he's going to score his first TD of the season, not all this non-existant BS
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Oh, don't even get me started on those obnoxious aholes over here! UGHHHHHHHHHHH! 
They are definitely the scum of the NFL!
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CanadaDawg, I was going to leave this post alone but I said NAW, I might as well stir the pot. Mcnabb was not trying to give an excuse for his play in the last two weeks because this interview was done BEFORE the Season. I know a fact like that usually gets missed by most poster on this board but hey, we know that ppl around here do not like facts. Also, McNabb also was not being whiny, just answered a question in a matter of fact way. I will give the link below for a reference to a quote: http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7241878 Quote:
# On pressure: "There are not that many African-American quarterbacks, so we have to do a little bit extra. The percentage of us playing this position, which people didn't want us to play, is low. So we do a little extra."
# Giving an example: "I pass for 300 yards, our team wins by seven, and it's 'Oh, he could have made this throw here. We would have scored more points if he would have done this.'"
# On Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning, etc.: "I love those guys. But they don't get criticized as much as we do. They don't.''
Now if you like or dislike Whitlock is up to you, ( most of the time, ppl like whitlock when he is talking about black athletes/rappers/youth...etc, but when he sides with them, ppl do not like him)..
But the the quote is dead on accurate. Think about it, when do you EVER hear the media be critical of Manning/Palmer/or especially Favre about any pass they ever throw??? Hell, let Manning throw behind Harrison or throw it too high, its the receivers fault! Let Brett throw a bunch if INTs, he had to throw to keep the Packers in the game.
McNabb, he better be perfect. Hell, also in the article look at the crap receivers he has played with during his time with the eagles. Only maybe 2 years has he had good receivers( T.O and Stallworth). This season, another pair of has-been receivers.
Now of course it is not as bad as when J.Harris/W.Moon and others came through But there is still some problems left!!
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Dog, does that have to do with the color of his skin, though? After all, he's not being scrutinized any more than Couch, Leaf, Brees in San Diego, Frye, Simms, Plummer, Garcia, Losman, and many other QBs have been. It's the nature of the beast when playing QB. I don't care what color the QB in Philly is, he is going to be crucified until he wins a SB. That's it.
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I think Donovan is shovelling a load of something because he doesn't want to look at what the truth really is.
He used to get all kinds of press and was regarded as highly as any quarterback he mentions..... and then he finished as many season in a row on IR as Courtney Brown, all while his performance decreased, the team performed lower and so on.
Not For Long..... in short, there are young up & comers and veteran guys that they and their teams are getting it done consistently... McNabb and the Iggles are not, so there's no love. Same as teh Browns not getting any media love.... if you suck, you're not gona get the press.
Combine all of that with the fact that the Iggles drafted what they hope is his eventual replacement and it is pretty clear to me that McNabb is just getting angry at the sight of him being on the road to 'has-been' before he's ready to go there.
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You can keep this "we are the world" mentality if you want to, but I deal in reality, and not everyone feels the way you do, and there is more than one race, period. If you have a problem with that, do something about it. Write a book, become a motivational speaker. Until people start treating people who are different, the way they would treat people who look the same as them, this "stupid crap" will keep popping up.
Well if more people had the "we are the world" mentality it would be reality. As far as writing a book, or motivational speaking.... I have started with internet speaking, and public speaking in small groups, so I'm working on it  Now when people make comments like "It's very hard to represent your race" that only makes it harder for folks to forget about skin color. You see the reality is that we are all one RACE, members of the human race, skin color has nothing to do with that.
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Coach,
You did say one thing for sure, in Philly, the qb is going to get ALOT of heat no matter what color he is. But on the national level, there are alot of QBs that get a pass. Everyone brings up Grossman( for good reason) but if Grossman was black, he is not playing anymore, the change would have been made due to the pressure from the different media sources. Again, its not as bad as 20-10 years ago, but like I said, please tell me when ANYONE in the national media every is critical of the Qbs I mentioned??
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Well, Elway was criticized for years for not being able to win the big one, as we Manning. I've heard Grossman get blasted on ESPN radio a good amount of time. To be honest, I've heard very little from the national media ripping McNabb.
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You can keep this "we are the world" mentality if you want to, but I deal in reality, and not everyone feels the way you do, and there is more than one race, period. If you have a problem with that, do something about it. Write a book, become a motivational speaker. Until people start treating people who are different, the way they would treat people who look the same as them, this "stupid crap" will keep popping up.
Well if more people had the "we are the world" mentality it would be reality. As far as writing a book, or motivational speaking.... I have started with internet speaking, and public speaking in small groups, so I'm working on it Now when people make comments like "It's very hard to represent your race" that only makes it harder for folks to forget about skin color. You see the reality is that we are all one RACE, members of the human race, skin color has nothing to do with that.
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I ran across this article today... Quote:
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FOXSports.com, Updated 1 hour ago
For reasons far more nuanced than he offered Tuesday night on HBO, Donovan McNabb is right, black NFL quarterbacks face more pressure, scrutiny and criticism than their white counterparts.
The assertion is neither debatable nor controversial. In fact, when James Brown's sit-down interview with the star quarterback was over, I wondered how McNabb's comments had caused much of a stir.
He'd simply stated the obvious in the most inoffensive way possible. McNabb's comments were not angry, defiant or whiny. They were matter of fact.
They were also incomplete and, therefore, out of context.
I believe McNabb, more than any black quarterback who has played the game, understands all of the obstacles facing a black "franchise" quarterback. And he knows that it would be highly dangerous to put all of the issues on the table.
We can't handle the truth. The media aren't equipped to tell it. And he justifiably fears that his black teammates aren't ready to digest it.
You see, many of the roadblocks standing before a black QB are placed there by other African-Americans.
Stick with me, let me explain. There is no doubt that racism has been a factor in the level and the intensity of criticism thrown at McNabb since the day the Eagles drafted him.
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# On pressure: "There are not that many African-American quarterbacks, so we have to do a little bit extra. The percentage of us playing this position, which people didn't want us to play, is low. So we do a little extra."
# Giving an example: "I pass for 300 yards, our team wins by seven, and it's 'Oh, he could have made this throw here. We would have scored more points if he would have done this.'"
# On Carson Palmer, Peyton Manning, etc.: "I love those guys. But they don't get criticized as much as we do. They don't.''
More important and damaging, racism -- unintentional and intentional -- has contributed to an atmosphere where it is difficult for the average fan or member of the media to recognize a blatantly obvious truth about McNabb's career:
Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie and head coach Andy Reid have failed to properly support McNabb. The one year they provided McNabb with a legitimate No. 1 receiver (Terrell Owens), he threw 31 TDs and just nine interceptions and led the Eagles to within a field goal of winning Super Bowl XXXIX.
Lurie got away with being embarrassingly cheap because Donovan's young legs compensated for the lack of playmakers in the passing game and a mediocre offensive line.
McNabb — injured three of the last five years — has been used up and the Eagles are preparing to spit him out (drafting Kevin Kolb) primarily because the Eagles did not give him the kind of support Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer and to a lesser degree Tom Brady received in Indianapolis, Cincinnati and New England, respectively.
McNabb has their talent, their work ethic and their intellect for the game. He's never received their support (Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Ben Watson, Randy Moss, Corey Dillon, Deion Branch).
And the lack of support isn't just from ownership, fans, media and Rush Limbaugh. As best exemplified during the Owens fiasco, McNabb was sold out by many of his black teammates. This is the uncomfortable truth that we want to ignore. It's a truth that McNabb will probably only address in retirement.
Over the last 15 years, the influx of money and the implementation of the salary cap have dramatically changed the politics of the NFL. Franchise quarterbacks, the guys with the $100 million contracts, are given so much money in guaranteed bonuses that the position is now a management job.
For instance, because of his contract and importance to the organization, Manning is basically in partnership with owner Jim Irsay, head coach Tony Dungy and offensive coordinator Tom Moore.
A typical NFL locker room is 70 percent black. It is my belief that black players are more accepting of a white player being in a management position than a black player. The Owens-McNabb feud was clearly over money and fueled by jealou$y.
Owens, an idiot cancer, felt like McNabb should've pressured ownership to rework Owens' contract. Owens labeled McNabb a sellout and the message gained traction in a Philly locker room filled with players disgruntled about Lurie's frugality and envious of McNabb's contract.
Robert Kraft and the New England Patriots are known as cheap and have jettisoned several high-profile, productive black players (Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Deion Branch). Has anyone labeled Tom Brady a sellout?
Donovan McNabb has been attacked from every racial angle. A leader of the Philadelphia NAACP ripped McNabb for becoming more of a pocket passer. He's criticized by some for being too close to his parents. His leadership ability has been questioned because he didn't respond forcefully enough to TO's stupidity.
Wow. This dude is as good as it gets. He comes from a great home, wonderful, dignified parents. He's carried himself with class through a ton of adversity. He's a winner. He's exactly what we claim we want pro athletes to be.
But somehow that's not good enough. And you think there's not more criticism heaped on black quarterbacks?
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7241878?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5
When taken for face value, McNabb's statement is bunk. But, when you look at it a little deeper you can start to see his point. The reality is that McNabb has faced additional criticism because he is black.
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that article might have had a point, but it never spelled out anything legitimate. The premise is that THIS (below) is overlooked because of his race? Bullcrap. Is it a factor in their teams' failures? Absolutely... but cry me a river. What makes a QB fashionable and popular??Fantasy type numbers... and he isn't getting fantasy numbers so he isn't getting the love. Yeah, it's quite likely because he has no receivers, but so what... how does that differe from ANY other team out there? You want the difference between McNabb & Manning? Manning consistently puts up those crazy fantasy numbers that the pundits can go ga-ga over. Brady? Him too, and plus you can piont at three big, shiny rings. Palmer? Yup, he's got big numbers and the ever flashy and always getting media love, the (black  ) WR, Chad Johnson. See my previous post, he has seen the writing on the wall that his time as "The Man" of that team is approaching being over... and he's getting publicly whiney about it. End of Story. Quote:
Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie and head coach Andy Reid have failed to properly support McNabb. The one year they provided McNabb with a legitimate No. 1 receiver (Terrell Owens), he threw 31 TDs and just nine interceptions and led the Eagles to within a field goal of winning Super Bowl XXXIX.
Lurie got away with being embarrassingly cheap because Donovan's young legs compensated for the lack of playmakers in the passing game and a mediocre offensive line.
McNabb — injured three of the last five years — has been used up and the Eagles are preparing to spit him out (drafting Kevin Kolb) primarily because the Eagles did not give him the kind of support Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer and to a lesser degree Tom Brady received in Indianapolis, Cincinnati and New England, respectively.
McNabb has their talent, their work ethic and their intellect for the game. He's never received their support (Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Chad Johnson, T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Ben Watson, Randy Moss, Corey Dillon, Deion Branch).
And the lack of support isn't just from ownership, fans, media and Rush Limbaugh. As best exemplified during the Owens fiasco, McNabb was sold out by many of his black teammates. This is the uncomfortable truth that we want to ignore. It's a truth that McNabb will probably only address in retirement.
Over the last 15 years, the influx of money and the implementation of the salary cap have dramatically changed the politics of the NFL. Franchise quarterbacks, the guys with the $100 million contracts, are given so much money in guaranteed bonuses that the position is now a management job.
For instance, because of his contract and importance to the organization, Manning is basically in partnership with owner Jim Irsay, head coach Tony Dungy and offensive coordinator Tom Moore.
Browns is the Browns
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Owners only one color, green. Fans only care about W's. That is the bottome line. I'm not stupid, there are still drunk white trash that open thier mouth. But like a previous person said, does ti compare to Jackie robinson, not at all.
Ya alot of racism in the NFL? that's why the raiders picked BQ with thier number 1 over . . .wait a second, and Vince young slipped down the board . . . wait, that's not right either.
In the days of doug williams, randle Cunningham, and warren moon, i know that would be a valid statement. Not today. To a previous poster, yes doug williams was much scutenized becouse of his skin tone by the media.
Untill his run in with the law Micheal Vick was one of the most popular football players in the league and that was out of Potential and personality, to many turnovers and ints on the field, and no ring.
FInally consider the source, remeber back over his carreer: Mcnabb is a cry baby, always crying to the media when things dont go his way, weather it be the coach, team mates and now being a different color. I bet that this "racial "pressure subsides if he goes 13-1 over the rest of the season. But then it wouldn't be racially driven . . . would it?
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Mcnabb is a cry baby, always crying to the media when things dont go his way, weather it be the coach, team mates and now being a different color.
I always said McNabb had as much to do with the fiasco they had a few years ago as T.O.
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You can keep this "we are the world" mentality if you want to, but I deal in reality, and not everyone feels the way you do, and there is more than one race, period. If you have a problem with that, do something about it. Write a book, become a motivational speaker. Until people start treating people who are different, the way they would treat people who look the same as them, this "stupid crap" will keep popping up.
Well if more people had the "we are the world" mentality it would be reality. As far as writing a book, or motivational speaking.... I have started with internet speaking, and public speaking in small groups, so I'm working on it Now when people make comments like "It's very hard to represent your race" that only makes it harder for folks to forget about skin color. You see the reality is that we are all one RACE, members of the human race, skin color has nothing to do with that.
Hey GM, I am glad that you brought this up about being "one race". .It's the people who separate others due to religion, skin tone and appearance that keep racism alive. ..How many German Shepherds or Black Labradors fight amongst one another because of their "BREED"? Animals and insects have a whole helluva lot more sense than the "creatures with the largest brain capacity and knowledge of good/bad and right/wrong...the HUMAN RACE... We as a race of "human beings" have every opportunity to improve our lives and to "live together in a wonderful world", but we refuse to "get it".... 
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Some of us get it  We just have to keep working on getting others to "get it" and teaching our own children to "get it" so that they can teach their children, and so on, and so on. Change does not take place over night, but it will never change unless we work at it.
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Interesting article.. but in the end, many of the points are refutable... Quote:
Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie and head coach Andy Reid have failed to properly support McNabb. The one year they provided McNabb with a legitimate No. 1 receiver (Terrell Owens), he threw 31 TDs and just nine interceptions and led the Eagles to within a field goal of winning Super Bowl XXXIX.
Lurie got away with being embarrassingly cheap because Donovan's young legs compensated for the lack of playmakers in the passing game and a mediocre offensive line.
I get it, players play better when surrounded by talent... but if not providing a QB with a decent supporting cast is a reason for labeling somebody a racist, then I suppose Policy and Clark are racist against hillbillys, because they didn't get Couch SQUAT to work with the whole time he was here... same with countless other QBs who have come into this league and "failed"... they were never given half the team McNabb has had to work with....
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McNabb — injured three of the last five years — has been used up and the Eagles are preparing to spit him out (drafting Kevin Kolb) primarily because the Eagles did not give him the kind of support Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer and to a lesser degree Tom Brady received in Indianapolis, Cincinnati and New England, respectively.
So blame them for being poor owners/managers, that's a long way from this having anything to do with skin color....
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And the lack of support isn't just from ownership, fans, media and Rush Limbaugh. As best exemplified during the Owens fiasco, McNabb was sold out by many of his black teammates. This is the uncomfortable truth that we want to ignore. It's a truth that McNabb will probably only address in retirement.
Two players get into a rift, other players, the media, the fans... they choose sides. There is nothing new in that. Same thing happened with Shaq and Koby... McNabb was sold out because some guys sided with Owens? Big deal. Was Owens sold out by the ones who sided with McNabb? Maybe McNabb should have taken a more vocal stand with ownership and Owens and tried to get them to work out a deal...
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For instance, because of his contract and importance to the organization, Manning is basically in partnership with owner Jim Irsay, head coach Tony Dungy and offensive coordinator Tom Moore.
With all due respect to Mr. Whitlock, he said before this that McNabb had the same ability, work ethic, and intellect for the game that Brady, Manning, and Palmer have... Nobody in the game has the intellect for the game that Peyton Manning has, black, white or other....
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Robert Kraft and the New England Patriots are known as cheap and have jettisoned several high-profile, productive black players (Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Deion Branch). Has anyone labeled Tom Brady a sellout?
No, because the Patriots continue to win... Doesn't matter who stays and who goes, the team just continues to win.... If the Eagles had sent TO packing and came back the next year and gone 12-4, nobody would have cared.
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A leader of the Philadelphia NAACP ripped McNabb for becoming more of a pocket passer.
These are the same kind of people who call intellectually gifted black kids "Uncle Toms" too... who cares what they say.
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Wow. This dude is as good as it gets. He comes from a great home, wonderful, dignified parents. He's carried himself with class through a ton of adversity. He's a winner. He's exactly what we claim we want pro athletes to be.
But somehow that's not good enough.
It is good enough, but the Eagles aren't winning as many football games...
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Bogus...the majority of fans don't see color, they see results.
I don't know many people (even the racists I know) that don't like players because of the color of their skin. They don't like players because they are lazy, bad at their craft, and/or disrespectful. Since adjectives aren't really a characteristic of any race and apply to all races, I don't see how race plays into....IMO
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I don't think anyone can say for sure. Who knows what is in the hearts of his critics? I will say that just because there are no more public lynchings doesn't mean racism has become a non-issue. It has just gone underground to be manifested in more subtle ways. I am terribly disappointed in the younger generation who, according to my experience, are carrying on the prejudices of their parents. I had hopes that hate would die with the baby boomers. Not going to happen. 
EDIT: This is not to say all members of the older generations are filled with hate.
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I am terribly disappointed in the younger generation who, according to my experience, are carrying on the prejudices of their parents.
Both white and black. Racism is a two way street.
Lets not forget about the "Al Sharptons"and "Jesse Jacksons" of the world keeping racism alive and well.
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Defensive McNabb Doesn't Regret Comment on Black QBs
Sep 19, 10:35 PM (ET) Email this Story
By ROB MAADDI
PHILADELPHIA (AP) -Donovan McNabb smiled when a reporter asked for his opinion on the upcoming opponent and pumped his fist when the next question was about his poor start.
Once the topic switched to McNabb's comment about black quarterbacks, his mood changed quickly.
In a bizarre interview that ended with McNabb walking off the podium at the Philadelphia Eagles practice facility Wednesday, the five-time Pro Bowl quarterback reiterated his statement on HBO that black QBs face greater scrutiny than their white counterparts.
"It's just reality," McNabb said. "It's something that I've been a part of and other quarterbacks before and after me have been a part of. Did I expect any backlash? Yeah. Everything I say, I expect backlash from it."
McNabb displayed a variety of emotions while getting peppered with questions on the race issue. He was perplexed and defensive - and looked more uncomfortable than he does standing in the pocket on his surgically repaired knee under a heavy rush.
"People are trying to dig too deep in this whole situation," he said. "I wasn't pinpointing particular people. What I said was the fact that we (black QBs) have to do a little extra. No matter the style of play you're displaying, there's always going to be criticism."
Asked if any quarterback was criticized more than Chicago's Rex Grossman last year, McNabb said: "I wouldn't know."
He then mentioned Peyton Manning, Carson Palmer, Tom Brady, Hall of Famer Steve Young and Jake Plummer.
"I never said Peyton doesn't get criticized. I never said Carson doesn't get criticized. I never said Tom doesn't get criticized, because they do," McNabb said. "They talked about Peyton not winning the big game. They talked about Tom Brady and his baby and girlfriend. We get criticized a little differently."
Pressed for specific examples, McNabb pointed to being a running quarterback.
"Nobody ever talked to Steve Young about the running quarterback situation and Jake Plummer," he said.
McNabb has always been sensitive about being labeled a running quarterback. He considers himself someone who passes first and runs only out of necessity.
"You wouldn't ask somebody else the questions we get asked," McNabb said, declining to reveal those questions.
In a blog posting Wednesday night, McNabb referred to criticism levied on him by the president of the Philadelphia branch of the NAACP in December 2005 for scrambling less as his career progressed.
"I bet Fran Tarkenton, Steve Young, Jake Plummer, and Doug Flutie have never been told by a member of any racial consciousness organization that they don't play the quarterback position white enough," McNabb wrote.
J. Whyatt Mondesire, the publisher of the Philadelphia Sunday Sun, a black newspaper, wrote in a column that McNabb was "mediocre" and that he found it insulting that McNabb had "concocted reasoning that African American quarterbacks who can scramble and who can run the ball are somehow lesser field generals."
The 30-year-old McNabb is in his ninth season with the Eagles after being selected with the No. 2 pick in the 1999 draft. He's one of six black starting quarterbacks in the NFL. The others are David Garrard of Jacksonville, Vince Young of Tennessee, Steve McNair of Baltimore, Jason Campbell of Washington and Tarvaris Jackson of Minnesota.
"Black or white quarterbacks, we all go through something because that's the life of a quarterback," Vince Young said Wednesday after Titans practice. "You've got to be able to handle all the pressure. You've got to be able to handle the losses. You've got to be able to handle the media. If you can't handle it, you've got to get off that position and go play something else."
Young is the third black quarterback to start for the Titans franchise. The team won a bidding war to sign Warren Moon to a contract in 1984, drafted Steve McNair with the third pick overall in 1995 and selected Young in the same place in 2006.
Young said he respects every quarterback in the NFL and that everyone is entitled to his opinion.
"That's not my fight to fight. Right now over here the Tennessee Titans, we're trying to go to the playoffs. I can't worry about all the other stuff going on," Young said.
Less than 10 months since having surgery for a torn knee ligament, McNabb wasn't sharp in Philadelphia's first two games. He's completed just 54.4 percent of his passes for 424 yards, one touchdown and one interception. His passer rating of 68.8 is 24th in the league. And he's not scrambling like he used to because of the injury.
McNabb misfired badly on some throws against the Redskins, though he played better in the fourth quarter. Fans booed him during the game and some are even calling for rookie Kevin Kolb to be the starter.
The interview on HBO's "Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel" took place in August, but was broadcast Tuesday night.
"If a question is asked, I'm going to answer it," McNabb said. "I didn't bring it up. The interview wasn't about black-white issues, it was about my life. I didn't do the interview 30 minutes after the game. The tease everybody has seen, they blew it way out of proportion."
Eagles coach Andy Reid said McNabb's comments aren't a distraction for an 0-2 team that entered the season with high expectations.
"I don't think anybody's worried about that," Reid said. "They're worried about playing the game. That's where our focus is."
Several teammates declined to discuss the matter, though All-Pro safety Brian Dawkins supported McNabb's comment.
"On a whole, that's a fair assessment," Dawkins said.
I understand his comment about the NAACP. I seriously doubt if the NAACP made any comments about Plummer, Steve Young, or Fran Tarkenton scrambling less as they got older. If his comments on scrutiny were referring to expectations from members of his own race, and not about criticisms leveled due to racial bias by fans in general, I can see his point.
Sometimes, the NAACP should not worry about promoting "high profile" black players, and just be a fan of the player himself, without having race as a part of the equation. My read on the comments are that McNabb wants to considered as a football player, who happens to be black, rather than as a black football player, especially within the black community.
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It's very hard to represent your race, but black people (generally) are looking for positives, so when we have someone who has attained something that was previously unattainable, we are all watching that particular person. Athletes feel that. Same with coaches, fortunately for Tony Dungy, Lovie Smith was there too, so there wasn't that much pressure of failing as a "black" coach, and just failing as a coach.
I'm not saying it's right, just that's what it is.
As a white person, and white people always being represented in a good light (and a bad one) throughout sports (and non-sports) history, you've never had "the first white...." White people haven't had to fight for their right to just be called a human being, so they've never had to have a leader, or a savior. Unfortunately, black people have.
Unwitting athletes are thrust into that light time and time again...eventually, as all racial barriers are broken down, this will no longer be an issue.
Now, I'm not saying white people haven't experienced hard times, but in this country, and in this country's sports landscape, there were no rules (written or unwritten) against white people.
When Black athletes like Vick make it into the limelight and are successful, it gives Black children and adults something that they can strive for, but when an athlete lick Vick takes all that success and flushes it down the toilet by doing an inhuman crime, we (I being Black), feels it sets us back as a people some because of the fact people (some Blacks as well) will say, "See, he (Vick) couldn't handle being in the limelight and handling the pressure of being a leader and a QB.
It's a shame that some think this way, but I never looked at Vick as a role model from the start. He was babied in college and was a little too cocky for my taste. The best athletes are a little cocky, I understand, but Vick isn't humble. I was proud that he was a top pick and was thrust into the limelight as "the quarterback of the future", but something didn't sit right with me when his brother got into some troubles and Vick said "he would take care of him". Vicks brother continued to get into trouble and I felt Michael was "talking out the side of his neck" when it came to his brother. Then, the problems started with Michael and continued to get worse and worse and now you got this crap going on with Michael.
McNabb is using excuses now. As a QB and the leader of your team, you are going to get the hard questions and criticized constantly. Philly is a hard town to become loved in and he should know that by now. Limbaugh's comments were unacalled for, but I feel McNabb is kinda using it as a crutch for his poor perfomances of late and his frustrations of his team. Now, as a Black QB, of course you are gonna get looked at a little bit differently because the position calls for someone with smarts and the NFL at one time looked at the QB position as one with that you had to have "boyish good looks (caucasian-wise) along with a gun for an arm". Look at all the talk with Young and the wonderlic test. Some felt he wasn't "smart" enough to handle the postion. I'm sure there were some who thought because of the color of his skin, he wasn't intelligent enough to handle the position. He's done pretty well so far in my book.
It's a shame that people will always think this way and I wish that I will be around one day when all the racial differences are gone, but for now, they are not. Black QB's, Black athletes, artists and Blacks in high positions will have to understand that there will always be this pressure and learn to deal with it accordingly without placing harm upon themselves legally, illegally or in the media.
Sorry about the rambling post, but I was just typing my thoughts.
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I am terribly disappointed in the younger generation who, according to my experience, are carrying on the prejudices of their parents.
Both white and black. Racism is a two way street.
Lets not forget about the "Al Sharptons"and "Jesse Jacksons" of the world keeping racism alive and well.
Of course it is Navy. But, I for one, do not put ANY thoughts into what Jesse or the "Perminator" Sharpton says. Many Blacks along with Whites feel the same way I do.
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When Black athletes like Vick make it into the limelight and are successful, it gives Black children and adults something that they can strive for,
What makes the difference what Vicks skin color is
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gm, I'm going to go out on a limb here but I'm guessing you've never been a young black boy from the inner city, have you?
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