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Dorsey made a trade giving up a pro bowl guard for a pro bowl receiver assuming the guard he drafted could step in. He actually didnt know if Corbett could play when he made that trade and has since traded him. Let that sink in for a second. Instead of building a team, he was playing Madden.

Yep, seems like humble pie is being served in bulk amounts this year

Technically it was a guard for a defensive end, but the rest of the post regarding Corbett is the same.

Thanks for the correction.

I agree the main point is he had no idea if Corbett could play.

Considering it was for Vernon instead of Beckham, makes the trade even worse.

Yeah, I've mentioned this before. All three share some blame for this mess, and all three seem like they let last year's final 8-game run go to their head.

I really hate to lay a lot of blame at Dorsey's feet because he's definitely the best GM we've had in a long time (and I hope he stays for a long time), but last year it appeared he could do no wrong. This year, it seems like he can do no right ... and some of that "no wrong" he did last year isn't looking so great anymore. I don't know how much of it is his "ego", maybe thinking all his moves would be golden based on last year, or how much of it is Kitchens torpedoing his efforts, but his track record took a big step back this year.

Last year looked like the best draft class in Browns' history, but now almost everyone outside of Chubb took a huge step backwards. The draft picks he had this year have been a mixed bag. All the trades he made in the off-season seem like mistakes. And he's the one responsible for handing the keys over to Freddy based on a half-season OC resume, giving him both HC and OC hats, and letting him blow up a coaching staff that had more wins in 8 games than the previous three and a half years.

Without the extra picks as a result of 2017 moves, this is what the 2018 Draft would have been:

Rd 1- Baker Mayfield
Rd 2- Austin Corbett (I'm now astounded Corbett had a higher grade than Chubb at this point)
Rd 3- Traded for Tyrod Taylor
Rd 4- Traded w/ another pick for Damarious Randall
Rd 5- Genard Avery
Rd 6- Damion Ratley
Rd 7- Two separate trade ups w/ other picks (plus Jason McCourty and Kevin Hogan) got us Simeon Thomas, I believe.

Mayfield and the trade activity for Randall seem to be the only ones that paid dividends so far. I'm still holding out hope for Avery.

I forgot we gave up a 3rd for Tyrod

Most people tried to forget.

I think we really should start a thread on this somewhere, because I really believe that we got hyped by name recognition and bright lights, instead of actual FOOTBALL talent and sound decisions.

I think "King John" needs to be discussed a little more, because I said this before and got nailed for it at the time. I don't think hes the "savior" we made him out to be, and I don't think hes done as good a job as others seem too with this team.

Too many trades, too many free agents, not enough home grown talent. THATS why we are struggling, we have a ton of players that don't really want to be here and are not committed to winning and this TEAM as they guys you draft would be. JMO.

There is a reason they say you need to build through the draft, we have relied too much on trades and FA.

In terms of the trades ... Part of me keeps thinking that if we kept Ogbah, Zeitler, and Peppers ... then drafted an OT/WR we’d be better off. We have zero team chemistry right now.

In terms of the drafts ... Corbett and Chad Thomas are complete busts, and that hurts too

Don't forget Calloway who is flirting on that side as well.

out of 18 draft, Baker, Denzal, and Chubb are basically the only picks contributing. Baker is playing awful right now, Denzel can stay on the field, Chubb is the beast.

19 draft - The best pick we had so far is Siebert. Cant comment too much else on others because they haven't played much yet.

Trades - Lets be honest here. OBJ has been a HUGE letdown. Tyrod was a HUGE letdown, Jarvis has been decent, but has disappeared at times. Vernon has been a let down, but he did play pretty good yesterday. Am I missing anyone else?

I watched the World Series.. the way the Nats bats went from red hot to ice cold somewhere over Oklahoma flying back from Texas is just unreal.

Adding:
I think the Randall trade worked out for us.
I don't think the Jason McCourty one did.

Watch...he'll jettison Higgins in favor of Calloway.

I'm driving over to Berea if that happens. It was nice knowing some of you.

I think it's simpler than that. I think Freddie is in over his head, he is constantly trying to show how clever he is and it is always blowing up in his face. The most basic approach to offensive football would have success. Our Defense would be successful, but this constant dicking around trying to show how clever he is is fracking Freddie. He needs to pull his head out of his ass, climb down off his self-styled pedestal, and get to f-ing work calling basic football plays that actually work. Plays the team understands so there's no confusion when they line up. It's not rocket science. It's basic football, and we're not playing it. Shame on Freddie for that. He's acting like a fool.

That would be fitting

No doubt in my mind.

Convenient after Flacco threw him under the bus

Ill give the Randall Trade, that was one a ripoff seeing we gave them Kizer and we got Randall. +1 for remembering that one.

Dorsey has full control over the roster, not Freddie. If Higgins is traded, that's on John.

So is Brandon Allen bout to get a W on Sunday?

I don't even want to think about that.

Yes, the Browns are losers.

As much as the Browns (and we by association) are losers, I can't imagine losing to the Broncos. They were horrible with Joe Flacco and theoretically Allen is worse.

Saying that, we will have 17 penalties and four turnovers. So any team will have a chance under those circumstances.

The broncos offense is one of the worst I’ve seen .. now add a QB who has literally never played meaningful snaps ... if our defense gives up more than 10 points there should be an investigation.

Now, whether our offense GIVES them some points is another issue

Inside the players-only meeting that might have saved Eagles' season
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Tim McManus

ORCHARD PARK, NY -- The Philadelphia Eagles' players committee -- a group of about a dozen leaders that includes Malcolm Jenkins, Carson Wentz and Brandon Graham -- approached coach Doug Pederson on Wednesday and told them of their intention to hold a players-only meeting.

Never in Jenkins' six seasons with the Eagles had such a meeting been called. But there was a message that needed to be delivered, and an urgency to keep the current situation from getting out of hand.

Dropped in the middle of blowout losses to the Minnesota Vikings and Dallas Cowboys were quotes from anonymous players criticizing the decision-making of Wentz and the front office. Pederson hinted that the outside noise had made its way in and that the team was affected by the distractions in the lead-up to the Cowboys game in Week 7. With the season teetering in front of Sunday's game against the Buffalo Bills, the Eagles (4-4) broke precedent in an attempt to recalibrate.

"We had a lot of internal conversations, a lot of tough conversations," Jenkins said.

If Sunday's 31-13 thumping of the Bills (5-2) is any indication, those conversations had the desired effect.

The words that most resonated with tackle Lane Johnson were delivered by Jenkins, who on Friday had his leadership chops questioned by former teammate Orlando Scandrick.

"One of those quotes from Malcolm [stood out]: 'We concern ourselves with the guys who are in here,'" Johnson said.

Added guard Brandon Brooks after Sunday's win: "Yeah, we didn't really give a f--- about all the outside noise, to be honest. We're not one of those teams. It seems like at this point, man, it's like some s--- once a week, x, y and z. But like Jenk said, 'We all we got, we all we need.' The only thing that matters is inside this locker room."

Jenkins credited guys such as Zach Ertz, Graham and Jalen Mills for boosting the team's energy -- a change that was noticeable even in pregame warmups. He witnessed an increase in veteran ownership, with starters jumping onto the scout team during practice to give the first-team better looks.

Meanwhile, he nodded to Wentz for providing a "calming voice" to the group amid the turmoil.

"Just try and keep everyone together," Wentz said of his approach this week. "It's easy when losses come to want to point fingers and guys just trying to make sure everyone's on the same page going forward with everything going on. Guys did a really good job responding."

Jenkins hammered home the importance of every player fulfilling their role: for the best players to be the best players, and for everyone to detail their work at the level that the job demanded. It was part of a greater overall message -- delivered at the players' meeting and throughout the week -- of tuning out the noise, avoiding the blame game and concentrating on self-improvement for the greater good of the team. It hit home, helping to get the Eagles' season back on track.

"The more and more we allow each other to be our own selves and own our role on the team, then the better we are collectively," Jenkins said.

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I really think this is where the Browns are... I've asked before, who is our leadership? It's time they step up. The media is crucifying Freddie, the players are all talking about not being disciplined or accountable... it's time to work out some crap and considering the state of the Broncos right now... this would be a good time to come out with a new attitude and get a nice W and try to save this season.

I hope MIAMI gets their first win tonight

Browns won't have a players only meeting because there are no leaders to call one.

good point

Inexperienced guys are the most dangerous. They are going to come in with no pressure, no expectations, and they are going to just wing it. Think Baker Mayfield last year, Gardner Minshew this year.

They're playing with house money and the Browns have been known to make these types of players a Sunday hero.

Plus, the Browns are a losers. They are a losing organization that employs losers. They are this until they no longer aren't.

Who said otherwise?

dolphins up 14-0, early 2nd quarter...surprising

Dolphins would beat us if they play like this first quarter

There goes the Dolphins shutting them out.

Dolphins are in tank mode.

They will have fun for a while.

Then tank mode goes into effect.

I have seen this happen before.