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I don't disagree with your point. However, the Ravens and Steelers also didn't have a talent problem and they STILL upgraded their teams.

Or just look at the fact that it would have been one of the dumbest moves we could make. Unless you think we would be better off with a back-up QB who has thrown 17 passes in 3.5 years rather than Nick Chubb.

You always upgrade your weakest positions. That's the only way to get better.

Yes, we have a coaching problem, but we have OT problem as well.

KC, NE, Rams, all were active on trades - do they all have talent problems?

If OBJ is the problem then what is he specifically doing wrong?

Since there are hardly any players left from the Sashi, one more mistake wouldn't really have made that much difference.

You have to look at the facts here. Sashi sucked at evaluating talent and drafting. But rather than man up and admit it, Memphis only wants to focus on one of the few times he actually did something right.

That's hilarious.

I mean, just look at Pit's sig!

I think what you said there is a bigger issue than many outside the team and its fandom are willing/able to see.

I stated in the "A look at the roster" thread that our talent infusion on offense wasn't actually an infusion at all.

OBJ is better than Perriman but isn't producing anywhere near what we'd hoped. I've taken to calling him Braylon because he catches the impossible and drops the easy ones...while worrying about things that aren't important in the season...like shoes. Maybe shoes and such don't create a distraction, but when you drop passes you should catch and are constantly having issues getting lined up properly...well...maybe the distractions ARE an issue.

Njoku played 1.33 games and might be back for game 12...Higgins played .5 games and came back for game 7...to not be a factor. Callaway sat out the first 4 games and Hilliard is < Duke...not to mention Zeitler over Kush and Robinson reverting to his usual self...and Hunt not eligible for another week.

Bottom line...there was no talent infusion...but still lots of talent. The pundits don't talk about anything other than the talent infusion...which can only mean a disappointing OBJ (thus far) and a still-inactive Hunt. The talent we do have is carryover talent...not infused talent...and lots of it has been out for a variety of reasons.

Disclaimer: That is not even close to being an excuse for poor coaching and out-of-character QB play. Just pointing out that the media hype around the Browns was all about a disappointing star WR and an inactive RB.

A mistake that would have cost Nick Chubb for a back-up QB wouldn't make a difference?? Lol, okay.

You're changing the argument. It's what you do. If someone says Sashi made a great decision to muff the AJ paperwork, you turn it into an argument about his validity as a GM.

I still haven't seen anyone claim he was a great GM or that he was an ace at drafting and evaluating talent. I'll keep watching...

Drops...getting lined up properly...and according to other outlets, not running routes as they are drawn up.

I don't think OBJ is a "problem", but he surely has not been a solution.

IF he wants more balls, he needs to focus on catching the ones thrown to him first.

He complained about not getting enough touches, however numbers can be deceiving. His actual throw to rate (which is the amount of looks he gets as a percentage to our passing plays) is like 35% I believe. So he is garnishing a third of our passes to him. That is about 10th in the league right now, and above Julio Jones.

When you have weapons all over as we do, those numbers are most definitely going to be lower, than say a team with 1 option.

He also had a really bad look after the Pats game, when he gave those cleats to Tommy Boy. He sounds like he honestly could care less about being here, and is more focused on his brand now, and where he will be going after he is here. That's JMO from what I saw happen afterwards.

He's wearing watches during games, why? Hes trying to get an endorsement deal from a watch company. Might not be a big deal in the scheme of things, but it shows where his head is at on gameday, again JMO.

Little things are starting to add up. Other than maybe 2 or 3 catches over a 7 game span, I have not noticed a 100 million dollar receiver. In fact, I honestly forget hes even on the team when I have watched this year.

I'm glad more and more people are seeing this.

I caught the tail end of an interview and didn't know who has said this, but it mentioned that they saw OBJ cutting routes short or not timing things correctly. Again, I can't tell you who said it or how legit of a take it was, but it was mentioned. Normally these are writers or national/local analysts on these radio shows so take it for what it is worth.

I believe it was Grossi talking to Jerrod Cherry the other day, maybe last week.

It was someone on 92.3FM The Fan.

It was NOT Grossi. I don't listen to ESPNCleveland....I know better.

At least it's accurate.

Please tell another joke!

Maybe change the name to strawmandawg.

Well, they were talking about it as well so that should say something.

I hate grossi, but I love Emmitt, cant help it, dude cracks me up.

J/c

I think the addition of OBJ has made us a worse team, at least initially. It changed the dynamics, chemistry, expectations, attention, offense, etc ... I think it made us try to progress/change too fast too soon. As a result, things have snowballed and we can’t get back to what made us on the rise last year

It wasn't one of 92.3 FM's own people, like Daryl Reiter. It was someone they interviewed from the outside, perhaps a national CBS staffer or someone from the NFL not associated with ESPN. Sometimes they bring in people from PFF too. I couldn't tell who it was. I wish I could.

All you had to do is look at the roster Sashi left us with. It was putrid. But carry on with you Sashi love.

Hard to argue, so far. I think OBJ and a totally different scheme become the chicken/egg argument, and Todd Monken came first.

Sure has been a big-*** snowball though lol.

This is putrid? Starters like:

Kevin Zeitler-Pro Bowler
JC Tretter
Joel Bitonio- Pro Bowler
Joe Thomas- Pro Bowler
Jamie Collins- Pro Bowler
Joe Schobert- Pro Bowler
Jason McCourty
Myles Garrett- Pro Bowler
Larry Ogunjobi
Emmanuel Ogbah
Jabrill Peppers
Rashad Higgins
Josh Gordon- Pro Bowler
David Njoku
Hue Jackson- Putrid (I'll give you this one)

-Accumulated a plethora of extra 1st and 2nd rounders in what is essentially 12-14 months. Many of which he, Depo and Berry couldn't use.
-Stopped one of the worst trade in Browns' history for AJ McCarron orchestrated by Hue Jackson.

This was a season and a half's work after taking over one of the oldest, suckiest, and most expensive rosters in the nfl with guys like Whitner, Kruger, Dansby, Hartline, Bryant, Hoyer, Bowe, Manziel, etc..

This was some of the people Sashi left us. Yep.....'putrid'

And some of those people he didn't even draft. How many people are left on the roster from when Sashi was here?

Yeah, it was great. Get a clue.

You said the roster he left us with was putrid....all of them were one the roster. This was your argument. And now you are changing it? Fate and Rish were right, strawmandawg.




I love it when people make this ridiculous argument. That because a new person comes in and wants their own people automatically equates to the previous players being bad.

- Zeitler is gone. Clearly not as good as Corbett.
- Ogbah is gone. But he, and Nassib, are performing better than Vernon this season. And Nassib was cut for Zettel, who was cut in TC.
- Name me a LB on our roster playing better than Jamie Collins?
- McCourty is better than almost anyone in the secondary. Ward could be the exception.
- Peppers is better than any SS we have.

Keep it up....you're doing great!

It's ridiculous because it doesn't promote your Sashi agenda.

Are you two really doing this again?

Every time he throws out a Sashi love post this will be what happens.

Not the hero we deserve, but the hero we need.

Sashi died so we could live.

You guys are too much.

I'm waiting to have anything specfic I've mentioned about the players be refuted by him rather than this broad, nebulous argument-changing commentary. I don't think I'll get anything substantive.

Something of substance? You mean like this?

Quit posting stupid crap and then try to turn the tables to blame others when you start crap.

Your Sashi love isn't healthy. I'm sure The Wizards have room for another fan. Sashi was so great in the NFL he now works for the NBA. And it has nothing to do with the talent department.

The proof is in the pudding and your pudding is pretty runny.

That has plenty of substance. Just because it is in the form of tweets/gif and you have no sense of humor doesn't mean it isn't relevant.

Unhealthy? You lead the the board in Sashi-related posts (thanks to whoever put that togther) and were the poster who commented in the thread made just for him more than anyone else. If you don't believe me I'm happy to post the thread link. Maybe you should be more worried about your own disdain for the last regime because you can't comrephend the analytical bend that is taking over the NFL and you can't handle it.

Keep trusting your gut and what your eyes tell you. It worked wonders for you when hitching your wagon to Desmond Harrison.

#RawTalent

I trust results. Sashi is no longer in the NFL. 31 other teams didn't see what you think you saw or he would have been hired in the NFL.

It's just that obvious.

Saying Sashi is no longer in the NFL ( in a league where many GM & scouts are pushing back on analyticsleadning a team) means he is bad is like your argument that because players are no longer on the this roster means their bad.

It's an equally crappy argument. I wouldn't expect anything less, though.

That's you rationalizing things. The NFL keeps hiring the same HC's over and over again if they think even the slightest chance they'll succeed is remotely possible. We see this all the time. GM's get recycled as well. But not Sashi. Your theory is that they let the great mind of Sashi Brown escape to the NBA. And even at that, he has nothing to do with talent evaluation or actual team moves.

How could they let the immense talent of the great and powerful Sashi go to waste like that?

Thank you for proving my point.

#GoodOleBoyClub
#TheCocoon

And Sashi was introduced into the good old boys club. He just didn't have what it took to stay there. You keep trying to make excuses why 31 teams didn't think Sashi could do the job you claim he did. Sorry, I'll trust them and you argument is weak.

This isn't true. Sashi wasn't hired by Jacksonville to be a General Manager. He worked on contracts and was general counsel. That's FAR from being in the Cocoon or the Good Ole Boys Club of GMs and Coaches. Far from it.

Sashi was already on staff in Cleveland when Haslem fired two GMs and HCs in the span of 3 years and promoted Sashi who was doing the same thing in JAX as he was doing here before being asked to lead the personnel department. He was on the business side. Feel free to continue to make the argument that he should never managed the football side of things (Berry and the scouts and introducing analytics), but that is not being introduced to Good Ole Boy Club as you stated.