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Yeah but only by 3 to the 49ers who, as we all remember, blew us out. Hardly a guaranteed win.

Agreed, whole league... including us.

Been seeing this logic used a lot, just because other teams are having terrible penalties called doesn't mean ours go away.

How do you cut back on PI when you didn't do the PI? crackback blocks? hand sto the face? etc.

You need to play THROUGH those penalties, not ignore them. Cut back on the ones we can control like false starts, etc.

But let me ask you this. Why do the Browns get screwed three to four times more than other teams do?

Lions, Saints and Browns get the bulk of them. Why these franchises? Honestly no idea, but it's undeniable. Any other team can't complain to the same degree.

All teams deal with bad calls... so that makes it OK? I wish I was some football fan's Dentist.

Them: "You took out 3 teeth that didn't need to be taken out!"
Me: "Yeah, but I took out 2 of Larry's too"
Them: "Oh ok, guess it's fair then."

Edit: so it doesn't get twisted, we lost the games we've lost this year because we messed up, not cuz of the Refs. Can't say the same for the Saints in last year's NFC championship that were just robbed, or the Lions vs Green Bay this year. I'm looking at it logically with video evidence.

With modern day cameras and internet technology there is ZERO reason not to get every call right. This is a choice by the NFL and one that means I will not spend any more money on NFL products until it's "fixed".

The saints got robbed by the refs so hard they missed the Super Bowl.

Yea, somehow I don’t think saints fans will agree with you.

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The Saints got screwed a few times. The Browns got screwed 5 to ten times for each time the Saints got screwed. So the Saints fans can kiss my entire backside.

It is not okay anytime a team gets screwed. These teams need to stand up and stick together when the NFL makes the choice to screw them. It happens every damn week and it is going to kill the NFL.

The teams ARE united with the NFL.

The 32 Billionaire owners have a closed door meeting every year. Then they have a team of lawyers and analytics guys determine what makes the most $. They all agree to do it this way.

The players/coaches get screwed but not the teams. The teams split the total $ the NFL earns which are record high right now. Why would they want to change it?

WHY??????? To make sure they are still making money 5, 10, and 20 years from now. The way the Ref's are going now nobody will be watching the NFL in 10 to 20 years. You can only shove it up peoples backside so long before they start demanding that enough is enough.

Tell that to the NBA. The masses like big plays and big names, they could care less about fairness.

With the salaries these players make, I have trouble seeing how they get screwed, same for coaches. It's the fans that get screwed the most.

What I mean is they're not in on it.

Though I would argue some coaches/players might lose their jobs because of bad calls. That's sounds pretty screwed to me.

Welp, let's just focus on getting a winning streak going first. Haven't had one of those in a while.

Even if they win Sunday, they have to come home and face a pretty tough Buffalo team next week. Do that, and maybe I'll start to buy in.....

Buffalo isn't that tough, don't let their record fool you.

Actually we can hang with anyone but we are continuing to beat ourselves. We stop beating ourselves and we are hosting a playoff game. If we dont freddie is gone and Dorsey has turned into a pumpkin at midnight.

Still need a convincing win this week for any streak to begin. We have found a number of ways to kill our chances and coaches cannot compensate for the degree of self-inflected boneheaded mistakes we have committed. The refs haven't helped us, but you play with the zebras you are give. It is OK not to be offsides, hold, get PI, and all that. Those do NOT excuse losing.
I really want to see us pound out a convincing win. Sunday it is then.

I absolutely agree with this. SF was the only game I really thought we were totally out of it. Even against NE - after 3 plays = 3 turnovers, we got to within 7 points and had some momentum until we shot ourselves in the foot again. We are our own worst enemy right now. Coaching, preparedness, discipline. Get those on the right track and we can absolutely go on a tear. I *expect* to win 7 out of 9. (Because I am a dumb fan who hasn't learned my lesson yet, and never will).

2 x Cinci, 2 x Pit, 1 x Miami. . . 5 games against pretty bad teams. Cardinals, Bills, Denver are better - but all beatable. It's all about the Browns.

It is mind boggling the number of fluke turnovers, untimely penalties, and uncharacteristic drops we have experienced this season. Balls flying off receivers hands into the defenders', balls bouncing off OBJ's hands, false starts on third and manageable, Drive ending penalties on long, successful plays, the ball being kicked out of Chubb's hands, and the list goes on. On top of that we have the excessive number of bad calls. But forget those, we can't overcome those until we overcome the other things. Mistakes and penalties have haunted us all year. That has to stop and it has to stop beginning this Sunday or our season is over, and you're right, probably Freddie's tenure as well.

Glad to see you feeling better hope your right.

I agree with you on Pit and the Cards ... and both look better prepared and coached than the Browns so far. And yes - until we do it on Sundays it's all hope/theory .... But I think you'd agree we don't have to improve the coaching and preparedness that much to compete/win. And while I have disagreed with the play calling for long stretches - we've also had good success like the start vs Seattle ... only need more consistency there and we are scoring enough points to win these games.

I cannot see this team winning more than 5 more games. Almost any team in the league can beat you when you turn the ball over 3 times and commit 10 or more penalties. It is clear that the coaches have no idea how to address the issues or they lack the authority to address the issues.

This week, Freddie is having players run laps if they commit penalties. It reeks of desperation and has no chance of fixing anything.

Those predicting two wins over Pittsburgh are fooling themselves. They got the running game going, and Rudolph is improving. Plus when did we ever get a fair game called against Pittsburgh?

Until this team becomes more disciplined, I don't think any win is a sure thing.

Offensively they are questionable, I'll give you that.

However defensively they are legit. As mistake prone as our offense is right now, I could see us losing in an ugly low scoring game.

There are no more low scoring games in the NFL,
the everyday matchups ending with a 13-6 score went away 25 years ago.

Others are saying the Browns are going to win a big steak because the rest of the NFL is suddenly bad,

not because the Browns have their act together, but because, suddenly all the Qb's in the upcoming schedule are not the big' known' names,

it doesn't even reek of a hint of truth in the hope that the rest of an NFL schedule is suddenly going to be bad in mass to give your team a path to success.

If the Browns are going to get any wins, they are going to have to earn it and have to "take" it.

Anything less is just going to be more ("2-5") stretches in the win loss column.

Absent the turnovers, we were in a competitive game.

Your right. The 0-7 Dolphins are not bad. The 0-8 Bengals aren't bad. The 2-6 Broncos aren't bad. And Pit with 2 of their 3 wins against said Dolphins & Bengals aren't bad either..... Sure.

On the one hand there are no gimmes in any game on Sunday - most especially for the struggling Browns. But if you don't think the level of competition makes a difference in these remaining games, I really don't know what to tell you.

And I don't think anyone is saying the Browns are going on a tear by continuing to play and coach the way they have been so far this season .... I think the optimism is based on some progress we've already seen (Baker - the early offensive scheme vs Seattle, the run game vs Patriots) .... and the belief that it'll continue to improve as rookie HC gets more comfortable and improves etc ...

I think every Browns fan I know is pissed and disappointed at how bad we've been - that doesn't mean the season is over and it doesn't mean we can't expect to see continued progress to being a much, much better team.

One thing we certainly agree on is that wins cure all. And that's something that separates teams that are close in actual talent. We have talent.

Teams often fall into two categories. Teams that find a way to win and teams who find a way to lose. Thus far we always seem to find a way to lose. I mean let's look at San Fransisco as an example. For the most part they aren't blowing their opponents out of the water. Yet somehow, in all of those close games, they just seem to find a way, or some might say they "will themselves to win" games.

Once you establish that it seems contagious. Today we face a kid that has no experience starting in the NFL. If we can't win a game like that we are in real trouble. But if you can chalk up a few wins in a row the team begins to believe they can win. Their effort pays off. It becomes a belief that can pay huge dividends.

I think a lot of people underestimate just how impactful stringing a few wins together can be for a team that's struggling.

But we both know OL play well enough to know Robinson is far better suited and has a better ability at LT than McCray. The proof was in the play on the field.

Jc

So.....8 game win streak?

It will be week 16 and he will post a "2 game winning streak!" Thread