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As long as he gets that, [ my wife just cheated on me ] look off his face it will be an improvement.

I'm going with the "I forgot to shave for three days" look.

Taki Taki Time

actually, that really doenst matter in the NFL. I mean over 16 games it does, yes. But any given sunday any team can win (unless it coached by hue).

Miami has proved that last week.

We have proved that as well.

The bills are a better coached team.

We are a more talented team.

I would take coaching, preparedness, and execution over talent 9/10 times.

At home, with Baker being called the worst QB in the 18 class, and being humiliated by the Broncos last week, and yet to have won a game at home....

I think this is the 10% game.

Trap game from a betting perspective. Lay off and watch the game. Hopefully the Browns provide some enjoyment on Sunday.

I'll put a little on the Bills to pay the bar tab if I have to drown my sorrows. Reverse psychology, you know.

wasn't against Lamar.

So the fact that 6 out of 8 times they've found a way to win and 6 out of 8 times we've found a way to lose means nothing? Well alrighty then.

And since you wish to bring up Miami...... they beat a two win Jets team. One of only two teams we have beaten. But I'm sure that means nothing to you as well....

Everybody on this team needs to realize that right now they are playing for respect for themselves and for the team, coaches are coaching for there jobs, some players are playing for their jobs, some players are playing for they're next big contract... they all have something to play for... individually and as a team.

Get a win, go back to work, get another win... string a few together and see what happens.

Honestly, one of the things I was contemplating.. what if the players DO view the season as over but view all of those reasons above as reasons to give it their all? What if the result of that is the high, unmet, expectations and the negative press suddenly stop bothering them and they stop pressing and just start playing? I mean seriously, what if the result of being 2-6 is that they just go out and play the game and have fun and stop worrying about so much... who knows, they might be good.

Nope, it doesn't. Because in the NFL, last weeks game doesn't matter. All that that matters is the week your in, so we will see sunday. I am confidant in this game. In fact, so confidant, I laid 100 on it just 20 min ago.

I don't recall too many people saying Pittsburgh was going to beat the colt last week either.

ANY. GIVEN. SUNDAY.

the bill stink against the run. We have the best back in the league, and a pro bowler coming back that will spell him. I believe I saw it will be wet and rainy sunday. Freddie will learn from the NE game, and rely on the run more. Book it DANN-O.

Why not? Especially if there is money on it.

The Browns are like being in an abusive relationship. Every year we make excuses for them and every year they beat us down and we make more excuses. I'm breaking the cycle and starting a movement. The "no more" movement.

#nomore

In an abusive relationship you are advised to leave, cut ties, get out, get on with your life, never look back..

Not bet on how badly your husband will beat you up so you can win some money.

I'm getting on with my life and winning some money at the same time.

Call it severance for the abuse.

There’s a difference though, that’s Lamar’s biggest threat ... Allen’s is more on unplanned scrambles

Nothing wrong with that bro - we all reach our breaking point.

There was a dude on 92.3 a couple years ago talking about betting every game from 1-15 thru 0-16... money line only. Dude made a fortune to live through this misery!

I can't say your version is true.

I don't think we quit last week. I don't think the entire team has decided it's over. There's still a lot to play for... and in the AFC 10-6 most likely gets you into the playoffs. We are also not going to finish 2-14, although I'm sure there are some who hope we do.

I wonder what we'd look like today if the owner hadn't interfered and we actually hired McDermott instead of Hue....

or if we would have hired McDermott and then selected Mahomes or Watson or Wentz

This is what people say when they have nothing of substance to predict a win on. It's what they say when desperation creeps in and and they know the odds of victory are slim to none.

The Bills have more "we" players
Then "me" players
The Browns have more "me" players
Than "we" players
I think some guys are mentally checked out
Already

The Browns have as much or more talent than the Bills, across the board.. It's nothing like predicting them to beat a 6-2 team 2 or 3 years ago.

I fully understand the "until they prove they can do it" attitude... but expecting the Browns to figure it out and start putting it together AT SOME POINT is not totally outside the realm of possibility.

It's also a reasonable expectation to see gradual progress rather than wake up and play lights out all at once. We just lost to a crap team last week. And we didn't look good doing it. Evolution is a slow process.

Yeah, I agree with most here ... the good news: we have more talent ... the bad news: they have a better team

Not always. We didn't slowly "evolve" into what we did to Baltimore and then immediately "devolve" back out of it.. it's in there, just need to recapture it.

In 2002, the Titans started 1-4.. looked horrible, then won 10 of their next 11 games... It's not that uncommon, happens more than you think.

The notion that improvement is a prolonged journey of gradual steps is usually wrong.. you hit on something, make a change, switch out a player, do something and suddenly things click. It happens a lot.

In that case I expect Kitchens to favor the passing game and forgo the running game.

Well it seems you haven't been following what has been a rather common theme on this board. According to a lot of people, "everything is wrong".

There is no outside contain on the run D. The HC is terrible. The QB is terrible. The WR's don't know how to run their routes and in some cases, don't even know where to line up. There is no team chemistry. The players are individuals and not a team. Our secondary doesn't know how to tackle and I could go on.

Now I'm not saying that teams never turn it around during a season. But maybe your suggestion is slightly exaggerated. Often times when that happens there is a change in the QB, a change in the HC or there is a singular problem that gets addressed.

Often times it comes with inferior opponents or a weaker schedule. But we saw what happened last week with a weaker opponent. We faced an opponent who was a bad team and then added a backup QB who had never taken an NFL snap into the equation. Yet this week we are playing a team who has lost only two games. That doesn't scream turnaround.

Now saying it's impossible would be going too far. But let's try and be honest here for a minute. There's not a single indicator that would make this probable.

The Browns are 0-3 at home..

The Bills are 3-0 away..

The game is at Home for the Browns and away for the Bills..

I personally favor the Bills.

We were favored against the Broncos to.....and the titans.....and Seahawks.......

Given those statistical anomalies I expect a return to normals, which favors a Browns Win.

Well I dinno about you all but I'm going to the game and I'm going to root for the guys in Orange helmets.

Have fun. It is the only game I will miss...at least planned. I sometimes make a executive decision last minute on the last game of the season, mostly if they are calling for totally crap weather and a playoff isn't on the line.

Smart move, Peen

Unless this is the World Series, that trend has to break at some point.

Check out the Rosters and you can see why we are favored, I know talent does't mean wins, but when this this talent begins to play as a team they can beat anyone including the Bills ...

That's all I've been saying.. I have no idea of knowing if it will happen this week, nobody does... but if both teams play to their potential, the Browns win.

IIRC, home teams get a 3 point spot, so that makes it an even line.

Also, Vegas puts out a line not based on reality, but based on “Give your money to Vegas”.

It surprises but it doesn't surprise. The Bills are not all that good from what I have seen/read. But then, we aren't either, are we? If Kitchens has any designs on being the head coach next year this is about as must win as it gets. To beat a 6-2 team at home . . . esoecially if we continue what occured last week. We protected the ball and minimized penalties which was great sign out of this team. If Kitchens is the head coach we need, this should continue.

This Allen is a little better than the last Allen we faced but I hope Wilks doesn't make the same mistake twice and Kitchens makes sure he doesn't.

The Bills struggle against the run so we should see a healthy dose of Chubb and Hunt.

j/c

When are we going to stop using "potential/talent" as a predictor of which team wins? We have not lived up to ours so far...