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j/c:

Gave up next to nothing for Drummond. Drummond has a player option for 2020-21.

And no team can pay him more than Cleveland. Not sure that is a good thing, however.

Could be part of sign-and-trades too.

Can he play Left Tackle?

Maybe, but he'd hate taking a significant pay cut to play in the NFL!

Pistons trying to avoid that player option.

We still have a basketball team?

Absolutely.

Also, a post-up center is all but dead in today's NBA.

I won't be surprised if he opts in with Cavs, because I'm not sure he sees that kind of money from another team in 2020-21.

He'd probably not get $28m/year, but he'd get a bigger total contract value by opting out and signing elsewhere (3 years @ $50M for example).

Also, and as much as it pains me to say it, he wouldn't have to play in Cleveland either.

Something tells me we'd have plans to trade TT or Kevin today, right?

Cavs may buyout TT per Windy.

Doesn't look like Love is going anywhere or that they were able to move him.

I was hoping they'd get something for TT. He's been playing out of his mind this season. I'd imagine a few contenders need a guy they can put on the floor and not worry about (play a bit of D, get your rebounds and clean up a few putbacks).

Never mind...

Altman is an idiot..he's going to set this team back so many years.. You take what you can for TT, you don't just let him walk...good god. They really should have moved Sexton if you are going to trade for Drummond(i like this trade) Sexton is about the worst possible Guard to play with a ball dominant big

His contract was such a joke.

Sounds like he is pumped to come to Cleveland!

He'll love it once he hears Ahmaad Crump boom into the mic.....

"ANDREEEEEEE DRUUUUUUUMMOOOOOND!!!!"

I'm actually pretty interested to see how Drummond fits into the team structure. Giving up Henson, Knight, and the worst of our 2nd round picks is not a steep price at all.

It's like getting a look at a quality big for next to nothing.

Looks like he's bringing some real positivity with him.

Lmao yeah, welcome to Cleveland

The trade for drummond was great..he's that dominant big we've needed. But we needed to do more, we don't have a nba quality 2 or 3. Our guards are REALLY bad defensively and Sexton isn't a guy who's going to share the ball. Drummond/sexton can't be on floor together...now drummond/garland could be a dynamic duo for years

I think that Drummond can also be effective with Love, as well.

I do see difficulties with him and Sexton on the floor together, but hopefully Coach can figure it out.

It probably won't happen, but either Love or TT would make a lot of sense for Houston.

You mean the same Sexton that leads the team in scoring and steals?

clear case of stats are for losers...actually watch the games..sexton gets abused in team defense...leading this team in steals isn't saying much...this is a very bad defensive team, and as far as scoring...he's a ball hog...its clear coach is letting him do it, but sexton isn't efficient. He doesn't distribute. He's a great guy off the bench ala clarkson to get buckets on his own, but in team offensive sets he's going to clog up the works.. That won't work with a guy like drummond.. Altman was an idiot for drafting 2 pg's back to back

We have uniforms and everything...

j/c...

In other words:

Andre Drummond knows he wouldn't get more than a one year deal in free agency because the league doesn't value players like him anymore.

he's a 26 year old double double machine...I like the idea of having him long term

I also like that Drummond is a solid passer.

"My excitement is genuine, I'm really happy to be here. The (Cavs) record, it doesn't faze me. I know I can do a lot of things here to help us improve and get ready for the next season."

@AndreDrummond
is prepared for take-off in Cleveland

https://twitter.com/cavs/status/1226562022453710859


Center Of Attention
All-Star Big Man Andre Drummond is Prepared for Take-Off in Cleveland

BY JOE GABRIELE (@CAVSJOEG)
2/8/20 | CAVS.COM
All year, the Cavaliers have been celebrating their 50th season and honoring some of their all-time great players and eras. Many of the key players from the past were members of the “Miracle of Richfield” squad.

To a man, they’ll tell you that the player that took their squad from a scrappy crew to a true contender was center Nate Thurmond. If you need further proof, look to the rafters the next time you visit Rocket Mortgage FieldHouse.

Thurmond – a Hall of Fame big man – wasn’t in Cleveland long, but it was long enough for the Akron native to change the trajectory of the franchise forever.

The comparisons to Cleveland’s acquisition of Thurmond to the Cavs’ Deadline Deal steal this past Thursday – nabbing All-Star center Andre Drummond in exchange for Brandon Knight, John Henson and a future second rounder – doesn’t align perfectly.

Thurmond was on his career’s back nine while the 26-year-old Drummond is in squarely his prime. Thurmond arrived in early November; Drummond just before the All-Star Break. And these Cavs aren’t quite on the cusp of Playoff contention like Bill Fitch’s 1975-76 squad was. (But that could all change, too.)

The Cavaliers came into the Deadline having dropped 12 of their last 13 games – including a Wednesday night thriller in OKC – but there’s a distinctly different vibe heading into the final two games before the break. Heading into the second half, things suddenly feel less like a re-build … and more like a build.

”It's just that, sometimes, it's one guy; it's like if you add a great clean-up hitter or a great leadoff hitter,” beamed Coach John Beilein. “There's just that one thing that just changes the whole dynamic. And we hope that's what happens.”

Beilein inherits the game’s most dominant rebounder and the top traditional center in the Eastern Conference.


The 26-year-old leads the league in total rebounds per game (15.5), offensive rebounds per game (4.6), defensive rebounds per game (11.2), double-doubles (42), double-digit rebound games (10), games of 15-plus rebounds (28), 20-rebounds games (12), 15-point/15-rebound games (22), 20-point/20-rebound games (9).

Over a three-day, two-game period against our beloved Cavaliers early last month, the man averaged 25.5 points and 21.5 rebounds.

But Drummond has more in common with the Cavaliers than punishing them in the low post four times a year. He’s got an existing relationship with five-time All-Star Kevin Love.

”Dre's a guy I've known for a long time, we have the same agent,” said Love. “He plays extremely hard and has crazy production, so he's going to be – along with T-Top, Larry and myself – it’s going to be a pretty formidable frontcourt.

”We're going to be able to make a lot of good things happen, rebound the ball at a high clip – and then we have a number of skill guys that can play different ways. So, it makes us more competitive. We add an All-Star-level player to the team and it definitely looks good.”

”Kevin and I have a great relationship,” said Drummond. “When the trade came through, he was the first person to call me and truly was ecstatic to have me here, because we both were talking about how we didn't know what was going to happen at the Trade Deadline. So to be here with him, someone I've had relationship with for a long time was great.”

Love’s game, like Thompson’s and Nance’s, will be altered with the arrival of Drummond. For starters, the man who scored a career-high 35 points against him last month – Tristan Thompson – will be back to a reserve role.

”Roles change -- throughout the course of the season, throughout your career,” shrugged Thompson after Friday’s practice. “At the end of the day, control what you can control, which is when your number is called, be ready to play. And I'm ready for whatever position coach puts me in, to be myself and however I can help this team win more ballgames. That's all that matters to me.”

Drummond’s numbers are staggering.

He’s posted 402 double-doubles since 2012-13 and has 81 20-plus rebound games since then. He’s on pace to lead the league in rebounding for the fourth time and in total rebounds for the sixth consecutive season.

After playing in 60 games in his rookie season, Drummond’s never played fewer than 78 games in any year since.

"My excitement is genuine, I'm really happy to be here. The (Cavs) record, it doesn't faze me. I know I can do a lot of things here to help us improve and get ready for the next season."

Cavaliers center Andre Drummond

The Cavaliers were able to land Drummond and his prolific production without having to sacrifice an iota of their molecular structure. John Henson and Brandon Knight were nice players and good guys, but they combined for just over 650 minutes of floor time this season.

It’ll also be interesting to see how the addition of Drummond will affect the Cavaliers’ young backcourt of Collin Sexton, Darius Garland and Kevin Porter Jr. on both ends of the floor. More rebounds leads to more run-outs. On the defensive end, they can pressure the ball knowing what’s behind them.

With the guards, the young guards, I'm definitely looking forward to working with them and shedding some insight both on offense and defense,” said Drummond. “I was given some film on them today, to sit on and really watch how they play, so I know what I'm working with, but I think really helped him out.

”Communication is definitely gonna be huge with them. I know they're young and still learning, but if I can help them get past that curve a little bit early, I think we'll be very good.”

Fans won’t have long to wait. The Andre Drummond Era begins in Cleveland on Sunday night when the Clippers roll into town. The Cavs and Pistons have wrapped up their season series, but we’re still going to see a motivated big man for the final 30 contests.

There’s a feeling that things are about to turn around. And Drummond definitely delivered that vibe as the Wine & Gold geared up on Saturday afternoon.

”You know, for me, just coming to an organization that wants me to be here, that's what it really boils down to,” said Drummond. “My excitement is genuine, I'm really happy to be here. The (Cavs) record, it doesn't faze me. I know I can do a lot of things here to help us improve and get ready for the next season.

”It doesn't faze me because I see a bright future here in Cleveland. You know, the young guys here are really, really good. And with the addition of myself and Kevin being healthy, I think we can do really special things here.”

https://www.nba.com/cavaliers/features/drummond-arrive-200208

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/john-...rs-per-reports/

John Beilein's first season as coach of the Cleveland Cavaliers has gone about as bad as it possibly could so far. With a dismal 14-40 record, Cleveland is currently in the Eastern Conference's basement, and several veterans, including 2016 champions Kevin Love and Tristan Thompson, have reportedly tried to orchestrate mid-season exits. Now, things are looking even grimmer for Cleveland's coach. The Cavaliers are unlikely to bring him back next season, according to a report by Shams Charania, Joe Vardon and Kelsey Russo of The Athletic.

At one point, the timeline was even shorter. Beilein and the team discussed potentially stepping down during the All-Star Break, according to ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski, and a final decision is expected to come down within the next 24-48 hours. No agreement has been reached at this point in time. Beilein is in the first year of a five-year contract with the Cavaliers.

A number of factors have reportedly led to Beilein's miserable season in Cleveland. He helmed one of the best programs in college basketball at Michigan, so losing at this level is obviously a stark contrast. His son Patrick also resigned from his position as head coach at Niagra for what has been called "personal reasons," and that has reportedly weighed on the elder Beilein as well.

Adding to the tension was controversy earlier this season in which Beilein accidentally called his players "thugs" during a film session. He explained that he meant to say slugs, and he apologized to his players, but the damage was likely done. Such an incident likely left a lasting impact on the locker room.

Cleveland cycles through coaches faster than any other team in the NBA. Beilein is the team's sixth since LeBron James left in free agency for the first time in 2010. No Cavs coach has lasted more than three full seasons since, including Ty Lue, who won a championship for them in 2016. Gilbert is just as hard to please when it comes to general managers. Koby Altman is the first one that he has ever granted a contract extension to.

Beilein was hired ostensibly to help develop an extremely young Cleveland roster, but former lottery picks Collin Sexton and Darius Garland have been largely underwhelming together this season. Whether that duo can work together for the long haul remains to be seen, but in all likelihood, it looks as though that determination will be made by a new head coach.

I didn't mind us hiring a college coach. I just wasn't sure about that college coach.

Nothing Koby Altman has done has been good.

Yet he seems to escape criticism.

That's what I don't understand.

2016 happened. It buys that entire franchise a decade of horrible decisions in a row.

Koby has not been good, but Dan Gilbert is the reason Beilein was hired.

The article in The Athletic from Shams, Jason Lloyd and Kelsey Russo that released during the ASG makes me think a parting of the ways may happen before their next game is played.

The Cavs will be on their 6th head coach in 7 years! That'd even make Haslam blush (or impressed)!

If it weren't for LeBron James rescuing the team Dan Gilbert would be viewed nearly the same as Haslam.

100%.

We are lucky Bron Bron was born in Akron and decided to return.

Yeah only thing gilbert has going for him is he isn't scared to spend, but he's put together a crap of a FO. Altman needs to be replaced as much as Beilein does.. who drafts two undersized PG's back to back with very little tape in college. I feel Beilein could have been a better coach with more to work with, but I def. understand moving on from him. JB is ready to step in and I think players will relate to him more as he has NBA experience. But we can't keep squandering lottery picks. Holding on to TT and not taking anything for him and just letting him walk is a fireable offense. Especially after trading for drummond. TT was having a career year, his value would never be higher and we won't get anything for him when he walks at the end of year.

How many bigs who are not real 3 and D types were traded at the deadline (or near it even) this year? Drummond ..... and who? I can't really think of any. There's a reason we got Drummond for our worst 2nd rounder and a pair of guys who were not going to be here long term. What was the market for TT? Where was the market for TT?