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That’s strange

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brutal.

It's funny, though.

Yes. Yes we can.

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Running Backs 20+ runs
1. Chubb 8/TD
2. Lamar 7/TD
3. Dalvin 7TD
4. McCaff 6/4TD
5. Fournette 6/
ZEKE 1/0TD.
Is this surprising to anyone? #BaldysBreakdowns

https://twitter.com/BaldyNFL/status/1194019529879367687

Absolutely GREAT post.

It actually gives me hope if only Freddie would stick to using both of them on every play.

I love baldy’s breakdowns .. cool stuff

I will be fair in my assessment.

1. Freddie had the team a little more prepared to play. Give him credit for that.

2. Freddie didn't challenge anything stupid. I will give him credit for that.

3. Freddie was able to call a drive to win the game, I give him credit for that.

BUT....

Why are we throwing backed up into our endzone with Chubb and Hunt?

Why are we pitching the ball on the goaline with Chubb and Hunt?

After being garbage on the goaline, why are you trying to go for it again? Thank you Hubbard for the false start.


Game ball goes to Hubbard, if not for that false start, we may have lost.

You brought up a point I thought of as well: we have so many plays inside the 5 that are designed to pitch, throw short of the goal line, go sideways, etc ... we may be better off throwing it INTO the end zone

Wait...what...you mean you are ALLOWED to throw the ball into the actual endzone from inside the 5 yard line. Do you have a link?

Next you'll tell me that a QB can bootleg outside after a fake handoff up the middle when the defense is loading up in the middle or some crazy thing like that...and THEN have the audacity to break the rules...again...and actually throw the ball into the painted area at the end of the field...and area also know in dream-speak as the endless hallway that you just can't get down until you wake up.

/purple

I am telling you guys the first three drives I would call all runs even if it results in 3 and outs. Trust your defense against a sub par offense. Send a message that this is going to be a dogfight. All Watt and Dupree want to do is pin their ears back and rush the passer. Frustrate them early. Keep them off balance.

This chit is chess; it ain't checkers!

Heck, we don’t ever seem to run it on two straight PLAYS (even after successful runs). It seems like we’ll get a nice 8 yard run on 1st down and we get so antsy that we can’t contain ourselves to run again

Maybe you could forward your comment and the video to Freddie .. This ain't rock science .

That's great!

Let me put forth another possibility ......

Maybe the team is starting to learn the new schemes, calls, and techniques.

I remember, prior to the season, when someone asked a generic question: "What if it took most of year 1 to get the offense fully installed, and up to speed .... so that players are just performing, and not pausing to think about everything?" Perhaps Baker's struggles were due, at least in part, as part of him learning a new offense, and were necessary in order to get him to learn everything he had to learn.

We see glimpses of the offense starting to get up to speed. We have guys starting to return to the field, like Hunt, Njoku, (soon) and others. Maybe bringing in a lot of new guys, and missing others, has been a problem as well.

Perhaps OBJ missing the OTAs really set him back as well. The offense was installed during those camps. Freddie kind of said the only thing he could, and that is that the camps are voluntary, and attendance cannot be required by any team, but he also said that the offense and defense were completely installed during those sessions.

I suppose that any and/or all of these are quite possible.

It ain't rocket science.

I've mentioned repeatedly that 8-8 was a distinct possibility for just that reason. Working with pretty much 'new everything,' a shaky start was more likely than a 'plug & play' fast start.

It's also the reason I haven't been looking for rooftop launch points like many others. Tempered expectations lent themselves to a sort of calm acceptance (but still with a sense of disappointment).

"It's a process."

J/C

I will say, execution is a must. Our OLINE got BLOWN off the ball on just about all of those Goal plays. Should they have been runs up the middle, probably. But our OL needs to be better. If we block, we score.

You're not making the argument you think you are. This doesn't explain why the Browns have not been successful. This is a plea for continuity with the hope that going into next year they'll be able to execute Freddie's O.

I say focus on getting wins every time you get on the field. Put together smart game plans. Call smart games. Do what you have to do to win every game. That's what the city of Cleveland and this fanbase deserves.

Is everybody getting more experience in this offense the best thing for the Cleveland Browns? Do you want to watch an offense next year that won't run the ball two times in a row just because the players are now comfortable in the offense? Does that give the Browns the best chance to win?

I will never waiver from this position...put the Browns first...not scheme, not players.

I saw this, this should be our primary set. You can do almost anything out of this set.. because both backs run well, catch well, and block well.

I have a friend who went to the game this past Sunday ... he’s as close to a football expert as I know ... his exact quote (and this is coming from a Bills fan): “Hunt and Chubb on the field together is downright scary”

Sorry for the sloppy, "hearsay" type post, but I heard only part of a conversation on the radio yesterday that was talking about an advanced stat called "EPA", which stand for Expected Points Added. Without going into what the stat means - because I'm not sure I understand it - the radio guy reported that on those plays in which Chubb and Hunt were both the field, the Browns offense had a higher EPA than the 2019 Kansas City Chiefs. It was a small sample, but still, the Chiefs offense was basically unstoppable last year.

(I *think* the info came from Next Gen Stats, but didn't have any luck when I tried to search for a link.)

"Our stat that shows how well you run it didn't work, so here's this other stat that backs up how we feel about their running."


This is why mathematical analysis on its own has little value.

j/c

So we managed to grind out a win which is good. It still doesn't change my feeling of not making Game Day a priority until we're back to .500.

-Landry... I don't think the penalty was egregious but probably more a "letter of the law" call. I'm not mad at him for it due simply to the fact that he actually looked like the Landry of last year.. a competitive leader trying to set the tone for this team. I fell like this year he's been less of that and more chill since his best bud OBJ has been here.

-It was nice to have a game with no drama from either.

-I know we're trying to be fresh and innovative on offense, but maybe FK needs to take a play from history a la Refrigerator Perry. On the goal line, line Larry O up as the FB. He's quick, he's strong... and I think he'll get that 1yrd push we were so desperately needing.

-I'll probably mention this again in the Scheme thread but Chubb/Hunt needs to be the center of this offense going forward. Individually they are too much talent to keep off the field. Combined they become such a massive force multiplier...

-Hello Higgins!

-Greedy and Ward I think overall are doing "ok" but they aren't playing to their potential or abilities (though I did like the one play Greedy made a break and almost INT'd it). I don't know who our DB coach is but I think the issue with these two is lack of experience and I feel like maybe they aren't being coached up sufficiently?

-I still feel like Freddie's offense is too wrapped up in being about him and what he wants to do. Freddie, you already have the daggone job! Stop making it about what you want and instead make it about what this team IS. Play action is a Baker strength. Ground this offense in the running game and the passing game will open up. Even with the Oline issues, this this offense is easily capable of putting up 400-500 yards of offense week after week.

A perfect example of why ....

STATS ARE FOR LOSERS!!!

Do not forget they are being asked to play a lot of zone, when they thrive in man.

We also only have 2 LB a lot of the time, leaving them to try to tackle a TE a lot. Not a good idea.