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If a person believes this they are either lying or don't know what they are talking about.

Someone named Devlin Hodges has started two games at QB this year.

I don't see where anybody has the right to tell the owners who they should hire. I would not want to hire someone who is going to hurt my business.

He only started 1 game.. and he won.

He isnt qualified to be a starting QB. He could maaaaaybe be a third string QB. Only a mental case would hire him to start for their team, above all other options.

Sorry. He started one, played in two.

So you don't watch football?

Devlin Hodges QB rating is higher than Tom Brady, Philip Rivers, Jared Goff, and Sam Darnold.

and Baker Mayfield. (missed it, he was on page 2)

I'm just realistic about what his skillset and age is.

https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchartpos/QB

Youre not going to convince me. He isnt qualified. He sucks.
There are exactly zero teams that would hire him to be their starting QB.

I'm kind of in the middle.. is he better than a lot of teams 2nd and 3rd string guys? Probably... is the difference significant enough to make a team want to endure the headache, the protests, the media circus that would come with it? Absolutely not, he doesn't bring that kind of value.

Hasn't he clearly stated that he would only sign with a team that will make him the #1 QB? That was the narrative for a long time...

I this is the case then it's no wonder he hasn't been signed. I don't think it is the case. If he is willing to be a backup he'd be among the top backups in the league.

No you can't discriminate against political views, providing they are legal. I don't think Neo Nazis movements are legal.

We all have to obey laws, specially the constitution. The idea that because you have a private business that you don't have to obey the constitution is very dangerous.

And the issue here isn't Kap's political views, the issue is that NFL and the Owners don't like/oppose his political views.

We're talking about a guy (correct me if I'm wrong) who was benched in favor of Blaine Gabbert(?). So no, he's not all that.

But there are plenty of terrible quarterbacks occupying spots on 53 man rosters. The additional problem for CK is that he's a certain type of QB. There are very few teams that would be interested in a QB that plays like him (such as the Ravens) and he even burned that bridge pretty effectively.

Hate speech in the United States - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_in_the_United_States

Hate speech in the United States is not regulated, in contrast to that of most other liberal democracies. The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that hate speech is legally protected free speech under the First Amendment. The most recent Supreme Court case on the issue was in 2017, when the justices unanimously reaffirmed that there is effectively no "hate speech" exception to the free speech rights protected by the First Amendment.

Private business regulates free speech all the time. There have been plenty of people who have been fired for making social media posts that the business deemed detrimental to the company image, even if the post wasn’t directly involving the business.

That's not accurate IMO.

You are 100% correct that you can't discriminate against someone's political views. But what you can do is refuse to hire someone whose actions are detrimental to your business.

You can say that's just an excuse to discriminate against a persons political views all you like. But is it actually the political beliefs Kap holds they are discriminating against? Or is it the actions he takes on the field during the national anthem?

Your views are something you believe. Something you feel and something you speak about if you so choose. Going out at your place of business and acting out on the views you hold is a different matter all together.

Its a very thin line... but at the same time very clear.

Think for example in terms of race, religion or sex, nobody sane would ever say the grounds for not hiring somebody was because its customers didn't like women, a colored person or a muslin...

So no, you cannot discriminate based on political views. Not hiring or promoting someone based on that its illegal and you would get grounds for litigation, no matter if its the QB or the janitor.. you can't do that.

Actions aren't your views. They are an open expression of your views.

I honestly don't see differences, taking political actions or having political views is the same thing...in a democracy.

You allow players to show their political views in supporting the military for example. So you have to allow other players who condemn those actions.

Other thing, like its done in other sports, like soccer, is not to allow any political demonstrations, or use the play field for any political platform. For example all sports are open for religious demonstrations, but not political.

I don't have problems with either views, either you allow or you don't, you just can't discriminate.

Can you please point out the section of the Constitution, or state/federal law, that prohibits discrimination based on political views ....

Free expression of your political beliefs is protected, however there is no guarantee of freedom from the consequences of your expression. Going back to the Nazi example .... his right to express his beliefs is protected .... but he has no protection as far as the consequences he may suffer as a result. Obviously I am not talking about someone committing violence against the person, but if someone does not want a person espousing those views to represent his/her company, that is their right.

Show me a precedent, law, or Amendment to the Constitution to the contrary. I'll wait.

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YOOOOOOO!!!...

We are not a Democracy
We are not a Liberal Democracy

We are a Republic.

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There is no such thing as the right to employment. No one offering him a job is not violating his rights. Employers can decide that they don't agree with his views and fear he will he more trouble than he's worth. That is within their rights.

There are many legal things I can say or do that will cost me my job. If he wants to take a controversial action, then he needs to understand potential consequences. He is not above that.

The NFL has actually been paid for patriotic displays. I know it sounds bad to say it, but the patriotism at NFL games has been "pay to play".



So in essence, these patriotic displays are sponsored by an advertiser. The U.S. government with your tax dollars.

Now here's where the rub is. I would say that by and large the vast majority of NFL players have the belief that police brutality and systemic racial injustice exists and is wrong. The difference is they don't make a public display of it at work.

These players face no penalty or reprisal due to their beliefs. So it most certainly isn't his beliefs that are the issue here.

A woman was fired for flipping off the presidential motorcade.. people have been fired for being seen in the background of videos taken at political rallies that were deemed to be white supremacist... it happens.

And speaking as a person who hires and fires, it's WAAAY easier to NOT hire than it is to fire...

didnt that lady just win an election?

She did.

If you're going to do intentionally offend people to state your views, be prepared to suffer the consequences.

Patriots put butts in the seats. Kneelers do not. There you have it. Nobody wants to hurt their bottom line.

Do you know what discrimination is? Because not offering a job to someone just because he is that someone is discrimination.... positive or negative.

Now there are types of discrimination who are not illegal and others that are. Race, Sex, Age, Political Views, Religion are one of those

The fact that its illegal to discriminate does not mean that people won't.

There have been many cases of cases won on the basis of discrimination, most of them it just takes someone on the employer side talking like you do.

Show me where, in the Constitution, federal law, or precedent, it is illegal to discriminate against someone based on their political beliefs. There is no such protected class as far as I know. Please share the law that prohibits discrimination based on political beliefs. There are a couple of states that prohibit such discrimination, but most do not.

Age, gender, race, religion, color, national origin, and disability, are all protected classes. Political beliefs, party affiliation, and such are not.

In fact, while free speech is protected in the 1st amendment, that protection does not mean that an employee can say something damaging about his employer without consequence. You have the right to say your piece ..... not necessarily to be protected against any repercussions of your exercise of that right.

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Well that was a dud. Man o man. Just when I held some hope for Kap and the NFL in all of this. Oh well. Guess that’s it >.....Pffft dud.

Always a three-ring-circus.

Dude had the release from the NFL on Wednesday... Waits til hours before the event and shoves his own in their face -- with a plan in place to move the event. Everything's always "my way or the highway" with this guy. The NFL sanctions ALL media for their events... He thinks they're just going to toss all of his good footage? A bit paranoid if you ask me.

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