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Would rather have had Duke. We probably win the Seahawks game and possibly the Rams if Duke is out there instead of Hilliard. Now that Hunt is back it’s a moot point tho, so good to get a little more.
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I would rather have Hunt and their 3rd than Duke 
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Duke for an offensive lineman, loved Duke but this works for me.
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Duke for an offensive lineman, loved Duke but this works for me. Loved him too we are better now
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Would rather have had Duke. We probably win the Seahawks game and possibly the Rams if Duke is out there instead of Hilliard. Now that Hunt is back it’s a moot point tho, so good to get a little more. I didn’t want to trade duke for this reason ... what we got for him I was THRILLED .... it ended up hurting us pretty big so far this year ...
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I was a big fan of Duke. That said - with Freddie Brain Fart Kitchens calling the games the way he did vs SEA and LA ... I really don't know that having him was going to make a difference. We had more than enough talent on the team - it was the HC and OC performance that killed us. A 3rd round for Duke? That's good business.
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Only a win if Dorsey and Company make a GOOD pick. That’s not how this works.
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Only a win if Dorsey and Company make a GOOD pick. I'm confident Dorsey and Company will make a good pick.
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Duke went from one of our top play makers to about #8 ... Landry, OBJ, Baker, Chubb, Hunt, Njoku and Higgins
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Duke might've helped us while Hunt was out. We can hypothetical this to death, but as someone who wasn't all in on the hype, I'm still applauding the long-term move.
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Duke might've helped us while Hunt was out. We can hypothetical this to death, but as someone who wasn't all in on the hype, I'm still applauding the long-term move. I was totally against trading Duke Johnson but getting a third back for him is insane value.
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Duke might've helped us while Hunt was out. We can hypothetical this to death, but as someone who wasn't all in on the hype, I'm still applauding the long-term move. I was totally against trading Duke Johnson but getting a third back for him is insane value. Yeah, I liked Duke and wanted to keep him as long as we could but in the end, this is a pretty sweet payback for us.
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Duke might've helped us while Hunt was out. We can hypothetical this to death, but as someone who wasn't all in on the hype, I'm still applauding the long-term move. I was totally against trading Duke Johnson but getting a third back for him is insane value. I was a Duke fan as well. And, under the best circumstances he wouldve been like hunt and given us a couple more 3rd down conversions each game. That sounds wonderful, but I'd trade a third in this next draft.
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Only a win if Dorsey and Company make a GOOD pick. I'm confident Dorsey and Company will make a good pick. History isn't on our side.
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Duke might've helped us while Hunt was out. We can hypothetical this to death, but as someone who wasn't all in on the hype, I'm still applauding the long-term move. I was totally against trading Duke Johnson but getting a third back for him is insane value. Yeah, I liked Duke and wanted to keep him as long as we could but in the end, this is a pretty sweet payback for us. Excellent return. I look at it this way. Prior to Hunts return, would Duke have impacted a game enough to help win one of the losses? Maybe, but probably not.
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Duke might've helped us while Hunt was out. We can hypothetical this to death, but as someone who wasn't all in on the hype, I'm still applauding the long-term move. I was totally against trading Duke Johnson but getting a third back for him is insane value. Yeah, I liked Duke and wanted to keep him as long as we could but in the end, this is a pretty sweet payback for us. Excellent return. I look at it this way. Prior to Hunts return, would Duke have impacted a game enough to help win one of the losses? Maybe, but probably not. That's kinda what I was getting at. Our offense was such a mess, would we have taken advantage of his skills?
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I liked Duke a good deal and didn't know what Hunt might bring in this offense as called (we named the eight failed FK calls that were point-blank at the goal line, all failures this: "Fred Right 88.") Hope we see this tandem backfield a bunch.
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Ahh, they got a good guy and a good player.. he's worth a 3rd I think.
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Ahh, they got a good guy and a good player.. he's worth a 3rd I think. Yes they got a good player for a 3rd. We picked Hunt up for nothing off the scrap heap and got a 3rd for Duke. We fleeced them.
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With Hunt back and already contributing, we're in a great spot now and in the future.
Do we have Hunt only this year, or through next year?
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With Hunt back and already contributing, we're in a great spot now and in the future.
Do we have Hunt only this year, or through next year? He is an exclusive rights free agent after this season, which means he’s back unless we don’t want him.
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In 2017 Hunt had 1,327 rushing yards and 455 receiving yards with 11 tds.
In 2018, in 11 games, Hunt had 824 yards rushing and 378 receiving with 14 tds.
Duke Johnson is not and will never be Kareem Hunt.
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In 2017 Hunt had 1,327 rushing yards and 455 receiving yards with 11 tds.
In 2018, in 11 games, Hunt had 824 yards rushing and 378 receiving with 14 tds.
Duke Johnson is not and will never be Kareem Hunt. In 10 games, Nick Chubb has 1011 yards and 6 TDs. Doesn't really matter, but I just like giving his stat line. I said before the year that Chubb was just as good if not better than Kareem and people said I was nuts. Just want to tip my cap to myself for a second 
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Just want to tip my cap to myself for a second It's a rough job but somebody had to do it. 
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Nice return for Duke. Not sure how much Hilliard was being utilized and that with Duke here getting those reps there would have been different outcomes. I was hoping to trade Duke right before the trade deadline as in down to the wire so we only would miss a few games until Hunt became activated. But you can't always have it perfect for you.
He's a player we would not have pursued and would not be earning that 2nd contract. Unless as I had expressed many times, we made him into a WR instead of RB...Higgins, hurt, Njoku hurt. Duke would have been able to bring a toughness to the WR corp as he would have been a WR with a RB body and skill set to run after the catch YAC against small DBs.
All in all that was not going to happen - Duke even asked for that position change once??? The 3rd round pick was a good exchange for Duke. Safety, OL, TE...would be a good spot to take one of them!
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Fun fact on Kareem Hunt... in the 11 games he played with the Chiefs last year they averaged
318.5 passing yards
115.8 rushing yards
36.7 ppg
and were 9-2
In the 16 games since he left (not counting 2 playoff games) they have averaged
298.2 passing yards
101.2 rushing yards
29.3 ppg
and were 10-6
So..
Passing yards down 20.3 per game
Rushing yards down 14.6 per game
Points down 7.4 per game
and winning % from 81.8% to 62.5%....
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Nice return for Duke. Not sure how much Hilliard was being utilized and that with Duke here getting those reps there would have been different outcomes. I was hoping to trade Duke right before the trade deadline as in down to the wire so we only would miss a few games until Hunt became activated. But you can't always have it perfect for you.
He's a player we would not have pursued and would not be earning that 2nd contract. Unless as I had expressed many times, we made him into a WR instead of RB...Higgins, hurt, Njoku hurt. Duke would have been able to bring a toughness to the WR corp as he would have been a WR with a RB body and skill set to run after the catch YAC against small DBs.
All in all that was not going to happen - Duke even asked for that position change once??? The 3rd round pick was a good exchange for Duke. Safety, OL, TE...would be a good spot to take one of them!
jmho We probably win the Seahawks game if we have Duke instead of Hilliard, making us 5-5 in a much better position to make the playoffs. Also might've beat the Broncos, but that's wishful thinking. How quickly people forget all the great clutch 3rd down grabs Duke made for us. Duke:  Hilliard:  But hey, a 3rd rounder! I don't blame Dorsey, Duke wanted a bigger role and Kitchens wasn't giving it to him so Dorsey got what he could, but man I really like Duke Johnson. It's a moot point now that Hunt is back, but we def were missing a dump off receiving RB threat for the first 9 games.
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Nice return for Duke. Not sure how much Hilliard was being utilized and that with Duke here getting those reps there would have been different outcomes. I was hoping to trade Duke right before the trade deadline as in down to the wire so we only would miss a few games until Hunt became activated. But you can't always have it perfect for you.
He's a player we would not have pursued and would not be earning that 2nd contract. Unless as I had expressed many times, we made him into a WR instead of RB...Higgins, hurt, Njoku hurt. Duke would have been able to bring a toughness to the WR corp as he would have been a WR with a RB body and skill set to run after the catch YAC against small DBs.
All in all that was not going to happen - Duke even asked for that position change once??? The 3rd round pick was a good exchange for Duke. Safety, OL, TE...would be a good spot to take one of them!
jmho We probably win the Seahawks game if we have Duke instead of Hilliard, making us 5-5 in a much better position to make the playoffs. Also might've beat the Broncos, but that's wishful thinking. How quickly people forget all the great clutch 3rd down grabs Duke made for us. Duke: Hilliard: But hey, a 3rd rounder! I don't blame Dorsey, Duke wanted a bigger role and Kitchens wasn't giving it to him so Dorsey got what he could, but man I really like Duke Johnson. It's a moot point now that Hunt is back, but we def were missing a dump off receiving RB threat for the first 9 games. none of this matters. Duke requested to be traded. He was gone anyway. I'm glad we got someting for him.
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A third rounder for a RB like Duke (as great as he was for us) is amazing. I applaud Dorsey for squeezing a 3rd out of a team for a guy that everyone knew was practically out the door. A 3rd is a big deal.
But I loved Duke too. It's very tempting to play the 'what-if' game with our losses. I'll put it out there, I bet we win the Rams game. That's one game that sticks out to me because we were oh so close. You switch a couple plays around here and there (especially 3rd downs) and you're talking about adding a score or a FG for us or even taking away points from them. One key guy might've swung that game around. Not sure about the rest, though.
As I've said before in other threads, the RB corps is way way down the list of issues with this team.
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[quote=eotab][color:#FFCC33]j/c...
I don't blame Dorsey, Duke wanted a bigger role and Kitchens wasn't giving it to him so Dorsey got what he could, but man I really like Duke Johnson.
It's a moot point now that Hunt is back, but we def were missing a dump off receiving RB threat for the first 9 games. none of this matters. Duke requested to be traded. He was gone anyway. I'm glad we got someting for him. I said in my post it wasn't Dorsey's fault because Duke asked to be traded, BUT the reason he asked to be traded is because he wasn't being used. I'd rather have 1-2 more wins right now than a 3rd rounder, but if people don't feel that way oh well, moot point now anyways.
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A third rounder for a RB like Duke (as great as he was for us) is amazing. I applaud Dorsey for squeezing a 3rd out of a team for a guy that everyone knew was practically out the door. A 3rd is a big deal.
But I loved Duke too. It's very tempting to play the 'what-if' game with our losses. I'll put it out there, I bet we win the Rams game. That's one game that sticks out to me because we were oh so close. You switch a couple plays around here and there (especially 3rd downs) and you're talking about adding a score or a FG for us or even taking away points from them. One key guy might've swung that game around. Not sure about the rest, though.
As I've said before in other threads, the RB corps is way way down the list of issues with this team. It's way down the list NOW, cuz Hunt is back. I'd trade any future 3rd round pick for 1 win when "in the hunt" any time.
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I disagree. RB probably didn't crack the top 10 list of issues with the team in those first 9 games.
Things like Freddie's playcalling, team discipline, Baker's regression, DB injuries, and the Online struggling with pass protection eclipsed any issue of who we were throwing out there at RB.
Would Duke have helped? Sure, but you're talking about a couple extra third down conversions. Who knows, maybe we win the Rams game. That's all I see the needle moving with Duke.
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I didn't believe the preseason hype. We'll be in the hunt when Baker shows he's a FQB and Freddie shows he belongs at HC.
Now... with the benefit of hindsight, neither of those things would happen this season.
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The entire secondary was out for the Rams game - maybe if Duke could lace 'em up and play safety? He definitely wasn't changing Freddie's mind with his 1st and goal = 4 straight passes to end the game. I really don't think we've ever missed Duke, our offense was in a total state of "discombobulation" the first eight games... He wasn't fixing that.
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