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The word when we brought him in was that he was going to be our biggest run-stuffer. That made sense to me at the time with him being in the back half of his career, but I was curious if he'd also be able to sorta tap into his younger self and temporarily be that beastly pass-rusher he was with the Jets.

Certainly happy to see the W. Even if it was an inferior team. I loved watching Baker and the WR's clicking so well.

Yet at the same time, I think we should all remember that the Dolphins have had so many injuries in their secondary that they have had a total of 11 players in their secondary rotation. They are the very definition of patchwork.

A W is a W and it has to help the confidence of both Baker and the WR's. I just try to do my best to keep everything in context.

I said this during the offseason-- of all the FA signings and trades, I thought the Richardson deal provided the most value.

He has a 82 score on PFF, 2 forced fumbles and three sacks. He has 37 solo tackles and ranks #1 in this category among all DI assigned players. I think he has been a nice plug on the defensive interior and we paid very little for him compared to taking on massive contracts of Vernon and Beckham.

And I totally agree with you on Schobert. He is the defensive leader and needs to be retained.

I know there are rules and such, but can we just get next week's Steeler threads going now?

Schobert, playing in a completely new defense, and responsible for putting everyone where they need to be, is having an All-Pro season.

11 games
97 tackles
4 INT
2 sacks
2 forced fumbles
13 passes defensed
And, he is routinely making plays at or near the LOS, as well.

Pay da man Dorsey!

Hadn't thought of the Thanksgiving reality. Good point, and that definitely makes Monday and Tuesday off a head-scratcher.

So, a trap game of sorts? Could be, I guess.

Not to get too hyperbolic, but those are Ray Lewis-level numbers.

Not if that's taking them away from Chubb. Chubb is our back, Hunt is a "rental" player, he will not be here for the long haul if you ask me.

I don't know...

He keeps doing and saying all the right things, while continuing his do-it-all role on the offense, I see him soon becoming very hard to part with as this offense moves forward.

Double that if we fail to address the TE position.

The Browns can eliminate the Steelers from a play off hope by beating them Sunday. And that's the message Freddie has to instill in their heads.

Get your butts in here and practice your butts off and lets get ready to beat the Steelers in their own home and tell them goodbye play-offs... That's the message Freddie should be sending...

Not taking two days off and saying to them don't do anything to hurt the team...WTH ?

This is one of the biggest anticipated games in a while..Lots of people are going to be watching. Freddie better have his team ready.

Celebrating two games off over beating a 2-6 awful team is no way to prepare the team to go into Heinz field and battle for a win.

All depends on what he and his agent are looking for in the offseason. he's not going to finish with great stats, but teams that have watched him have seen an unbelievable impact he's made on this offense. Running, catching, blocking. He has done it all.

He's going to have the give the Browns a discount if he wants to stay, and I can't blame a running back for going and getting the most money possible.

But man would it be nice if he did stay, and we have that lethal 1-2 punch of Chubb and Hunt.

One positive to consider is that Chubb was drafted in round 2 so it's not like we're paying a fortune for him on his rookie deal. It should leave some lettuce to be spent on the RB position.

J/c

Congrats to Chad Thomas on a fine performance .. we need more of it!

Agreed. The injuries and suspensions will give some of our other players a chance to step up and hopefully shine. They can show what they can do.

jc

If our team continues to improve each week, it will afford both Hunt and the Browns the perspective of a win-win situation.

Hunt gets to "stay home" and be a part of something big - in CLEVELAND. The Browns still have Chubb as the obvious bargaining chip because Hunt will not be the "bell cow", and since Chubb is the best RB in the NFL, we don't really need Hunt. Besides that, Hunt won't have to work at a serious discount because the Browns still have Chubb on a rookie deal.

He's a very dynamic back. Can't blame him if he wants to go where the spotlight will shine on him a little brighter. And as far as the Browns go, just because Chubb is on his rookie deal doesn't mean we have "free money" to spend on a second RB... a lot of bills coming due over the next few years. If I were the Browns, I would be working on an extension for Garrett NOW. Discount window is only open while he's on the sideline.

I also forgot about the Thanksgiving break. So when DO they practice this week? Just Wednesday? Do they have a full practice on Friday?

I'd assume they will practice on Thanksgiving as well. I don't know why they wouldn't. Likely, would just hold an earlier practice that day.

J/c

We certainly will practice on Thanksgiving this week, at least based on what I know about NFL teams.

Make it a light day but I think, where this team is now, they need to feel the sense of urgency.. not the sense of accomplishment.

I just think it's a contradiction... telling the team all week that our playoffs begin now, we have to win out, go 1-0 every week, blahblahblah.... but then give them a day off. Nobody gets a day off in the playoffs.

Yup. Thanksgiving is not a day off.

As opposed to Chubb who has done and said all the right things his entire life, who is imo a better back anyway?

Your not going to pay two put 20+ million a year into two running backs when the time comes. Chubb deserves the top dollar amount when hes due. You have to think about that. If Kareem wants more than 5 million a year, which he will - theres no way you can keep that much locked up at RB.

Well, they just played 3 games in 15 days. I am sure that has something to do with the two days off.

Unless it's a bye week, you almost always play three games in 15 days.

Since he missed 10 games, does this year count towards a contract year?

Yes. You only need 6 games to count as an accrued season.

If he is on the roster for 6 games, then he accrues a season towards free agency.

This will be Hunt's 3rd accrued season. (assuming that he is not suspended for one or more of the remaining games.

Following this season, he will be a restricted free agent. (3 accrued season, but not 4)I would assume that the Browns will tender him fairly high, so that he'll be back next season.

After the 2020 season, if he accrues 4 seasons, if he is not under a contract (extension or long term deal elsewhere), he will be an UFA.

I don't know what a Stephen Carlson is but I am gonna need to see some more.

$5 million a year would make Hunt the 11th highest paid running back in the league (based on average annual salary). Two of the players that make more than $5M per year are on rookie contracts. Running backs get paid very little nowadays.

Luckily Chubb still has two years on a cheap contract. If he continues to perform at his current level he will deserve a top of the market deal (whether any team should ever give a running back a contract like that is a different discussion).

Juston Burris has played really well so far this season. I am glad we got him back on the team.

j/c...

I'm disappointed OBJ didn't jump into the dawg pound. His first chance and didn't do it.

That’s awesoem

j/c

My buddy at the game was all about how much time was on the playclock when the Browns broke the huddle. His theory was spot-on in that when we'd get to the line with 10+ seconds left, we'd run much better/smarter plays.

It's been talked about on this site, but the improvement in that area Sunday was noticeable. Still a few times where we just couldn't get a play in quickly...like after a penalty even. There is a disconnect somewhere in getting the plays in quickly and that improved Sunday.

A guy on the radio (WKNR 850) Monday morning stated that the INT was on Beckham...his opinion was that there was no way Baker would miss that short of a throw that badly. Looked to me as if Baker thought that was a seven-ish yard route to sit in and OBJ thought there was more there. I read a lot where a Baker criticism is that he 'doesn't take the easy play enough'. Who knows?

so we need him to miss another game lol

I've been banging that drum since the Seattle game. In that game we were at the line with 15-20 seconds the entire 1st half. If not for a tipped-ball INT in the endzone, we would have dropped 28 on them before the gun.

By the next game, after a bye, we had Baker reading off his wristband cheat-sheet half the game and racing to get to the line.

It's gotten better and needs to continue to do so. I think Baker has done a tremendous job with pre-snap reads and changing protections this year, he just needs time to do it.

With all that said. What type of leeway does Baker have to audible out of plays? Does anyone know?

I think this has been an undervalued statement.

Baker early this year, everyone said he couldn't read a defense. Problem was, he didn't HAVE TIME to read a defense, as we had to snap the ball as quickly as possible.

Last week, he was changing protections, pointing out the guys blitzing, etc. He looked good. A few times, they got to the line late, and you can tell, we were "off" and the play didn't develop, or we had to take a time out.

We need time at the line, Freddie has been getting better, but he needs to have a back up play ready to call