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The real beauty part of that is that their pres ,you know the first black one, went to Canada ,interfered with the Canadian election to elect a true racist ...Wheres the OUTRAGE now haters and story tellers? HILIAROUS HA HA HA

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Nothing has been fair or just in these hearings so far, why do you think 3 pro impeachment experts and 1 anti impeachment expert will make any difference?


I don't think any one of these hearing should be the end all be all. I do think the GOPers should get their witnesses but they need to stick to actual facts, not conspiracy theories that have been rejected by investigations on both sides of the aisle.

I was editing my last post when you replied, please re-read it.

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The real beauty part of that is that their pres ,you know the first black one, went to Canada ,interfered with the Canadian election to elect a true racist ...Wheres the OUTRAGE now haters and story tellers? HILIAROUS HA HA HA


Riley, please bring something intelligible to the conversation. I think I understand your whataboutism but it really has NOTHING to do with Trump. We are talking about Trump's actions and rather he abused his power and or committed HC&Ms.

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It's pretty simple.

I am nothing more than a citizen who listened to the facts and separated them from the conjecture, read the phone conversation transcript/memorandum and heard what the President of Ukraine had to say about the phone call from President Trump.

My final observation is this is a Trump hater fest nothingburger.

No crime, no victim.

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Don't you mean the evidence against the BIDENS, the CLINTONS,aer slamdunks ..oops sorry for the TRUTH

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
It's pretty simple.

I am nothing more than a citizen who listened to the facts and separated them from the conjecture, read the phone conversation transcript/memorandum and heard what the President of Ukraine had to say about the phone call from President Trump.

My final observation is this is a Trump hater fest nothingburger.

No crime, no victim.


This is obvious but don't we owe the country and constitution the time to hear this out since half the country disagrees with your view as of now? Dems will impeach and it will be up to the Senate to make this fair to all. I hope that's what they do, regardless of outcome. But if they just continue this party line divide without due process and unraveling the facts from the fictions; then nothing will get better, regardless of outcome.

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Every step of this process has been by the book.... the book that was written by Republicans during the impeachment proceedings of William Jerfferson Clinton, back in the 90's.

Don't like how Dolt45 is being treated? Blame those bloodthirsty pachyderms who set this up to bring Slick Will down.

This has GOP fingerprints all over it.

Once again, I invoke Occam's razor.
The direct route shows us that Your Boy and his enablers are as crooked as a dog's hind leg, too st00pit to effectively cover their tracks, and are now being found out/exposed.

A leads to B leads to C.
Simple. Like POTUS.
Easy. Like your first "girlfriend."

Ain't nobody tryna take your 'Long and Winding Road' to the Land Where Facts Are Fluid.

Go pedal that snake oil to rubes who still believe that Trump steaks were made of beef, Trump Vodka wasn't relabeled paint thinner, and that Trump U was legit, just 'misunderstood.'


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The rules in the house are what they are... this is just like the grand jury in any other indictment, one sided. But I do hope the Senate trial includes all the facts and discovery required to put the issue to bed once and for all. I don't care to watch republicans drag us down conspiracy rabbit holes, but I want their legitimate concerns met with the same vigor dems have displayed in bringing the charges. Anything less will mean nothing.

I also want the Senate gop to address dems concerns the same, for the same reasons. Trump will more than likely survive this if the partisanship continues to play out but even with re-election win, this won't be over.

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https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter...achment-report/

Knocking down the oh so weak GOP misdirection.

No crime no victim ???? Laughable. I just listened to three professors on the radio while driving to the airport. They sealed it all up nicely. There isn't a doubt ... Only denial without substance.


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Continue to ignore facts.

You don't get it. This about the United States and our constitution.

Michael Gerhardt, a professor at the University of North Carolina School of Law, said if President Trump's actions with Ukraine are not impeachable, then nothing is.

He expressed concerns that if Congress gives the President a pass, it would lead to an erosion of boundaries.

"I just want to stress that if what we're talking about is not impeachable, then nothing is impeachable. This is precisely the misconduct that the framers created a Constitution including impeachment to protect against. And if there's no action, if Congress concludes they're going to give a pass to the President here, as Professor Karlan suggested earlier, every other president will say, okay, then I can do the same thing and the boundaries will just evaporate," Gerhardt said.

Gerhardt continued: "And those boundaries are set up by the Constitution and we may be witnessing, unfortunately, their erosion. And that is a danger to all of us."

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“3 of 4 ‘experts’ in this sham hearing have known biases against [Trump].” White House Press Secretary Stephanie Grisham tweeted. “Not only is [the president] given no rights in this process, the Dems' ‘witnesses’ made up their minds long before today. The people of this country are being cheated of a Congress who works for them.”

“I’m a registered Democrat and have been my whole life”
-Noah Feldman,
Professor at Harvard Law School

"I had to cross the street” to avoid walking by the Trump Hotel in Washington, D.C.
-Pamela Karlan
Stanford Law School

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Just like the Indiana judge.

"he is a Mexican, I am building a wall.

These are constitutional experts. Their job is to interpret the law and the constitution.

Just deny deny. Talking points straight from Rush L.

The truth hurts. Common sense aside from any democratic or republican points of view. trumps life has been based upon this type of behavior. Quid Pro Quo has been his way of life.

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I would hope as an American you could put away your red badge and do what is right.


As a true American I fought you on the false charges of Russian Collusion and justice prevailed.

I fought you when you used false accusations by sketchy witnesses during the Kavanaugh hearings. Justice prevailed.

I am fighting you on this impeachment debacle as you call second and third hand witnesses to testify to what they believe they found. You transform hearsay into fact at every turn.

A court of law would throw out this entire Kangaroo Court and its findings.

I trust the American system of Due Process will once again shine light on the truth and justice will prevail again.



And if this were a court of law, the defendant would not be able to block the key witnesses from testifying


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j/c:

I was really hoping for some bi-partisan commentary today.

One person worked for Clinton, another for Obama DOJ, another wrote a NYTimes piece about impeaching Trump in 2017. I would have really enjoyed a little more substance. Instead we are expected to take what this person says as fair commentary and counsel?



She can hate Trump like many people do, but I wish these types of people would not be considered legitimate voices of reason and temper in this type of hearing. Sadly, Republicans would go this route as well.

Nah. I think we can do better than this. This is a circus.


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This all reminds me of hearings I saw in the 70's inside the Soviet Union. Just before they shot the guy.

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
Nothing has been fair or just in these hearings so far,


You're right. Trump has blocked every witness who has a first hand account of what went down and refused to hand over any documents. When you break the law using obstruction to derail a legal impeachment process, it leaves room for parrots to say a lot and not say anything at the same time.

Let's see you get a subpoena and ignore it. But you somehow think Trump and his cronies are above the law.


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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
This all reminds me of hearings I saw in the 70's inside the Soviet Union. Just before they shot the guy.


Hopefully this works out too then thumbsup

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This all reminds me of hearings I saw in the 70's inside the Soviet Union. Just before they shot the guy.


Hopefully this works out too then thumbsup


Of course it will. Impeachment has been the goal since 2016.
This is just for show.

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Don't you mean the evidence against the BIDENS, the CLINTONS,aer slamdunks ..oops sorry for the TRUTH


Hillary testified for 11 hours and they came up with nothing. Trump won't even allow anyone around him testify. It must be sad when you realize Hillary has bugger nads than Trump. And I don't even like Hillary.

And Biden. That's a Russian hoax that has been debunked over and over again. Even by some Republicans.

2 Republican senators refute Trump’s Ukraine-Biden conspiracy theory

Sens. Rob Portman (R-OH) and Ron Johnson (R-WI) know that what Trump says about Biden just isn’t true.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/...son-impeachment

Stop helping spread a Russian hoax comrade.


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Do you also believe that Trump blocking witnesses and refusing to turn over documents is a circus? That refusing to commit to legal subpoenas is legal? that Trump isn't obstructing congress when he does that?

I'm just wondering if you see the circus from the other side.


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I was really hoping for some bi-partisan commentary today.

One person worked for Clinton, another for Obama DOJ, another wrote a NYTimes piece about impeaching Trump in 2017. I would have really enjoyed a little more substance. Instead we are expected to take what this person says as fair commentary and counsel?



She can hate Trump like many people do, but I wish these types of people would not be considered legitimate voices of reason and temper in this type of hearing. Sadly, Republicans would go this route as well.

Nah. I think we can do better than this. This is a circus.


Perhaps they should call me in to make the final decision on impeachment! rofl

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
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j/c:

I was really hoping for some bi-partisan commentary today.

One person worked for Clinton, another for Obama DOJ, another wrote a NYTimes piece about impeaching Trump in 2017. I would have really enjoyed a little more substance. Instead we are expected to take what this person says as fair commentary and counsel?

But I get the joke.



She can hate Trump like many people do, but I wish these types of people would not be considered legitimate voices of reason and temper in this type of hearing. Sadly, Republicans would go this route as well.

Nah. I think we can do better than this. This is a circus.


Perhaps they should call me in to make the final decision on impeachment! rofl


That would doing the same thing as what's being displayed now, only on the other side of the aisle.


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Zackly my point. thumbsup

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Gaetz asks the witnesses to "Raise your hand" if they have "personal knowledge of a single fact" that confirms quid pro quo.

No witness raises their hand.

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Trump told all of those people to ignore subpoenas and not to testify. You know, the same thing we would be arrested for.


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No witness answered the question after Nadler reminds them that the Congressman is allowed to ask the question but the witnesses do not have to answer.

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Dude .... that lady from Stanford looked absolutely miserable ... she looks like she hates the world ... i feel sorry for her ... i wonder when the last time she smiled was ...

Just curious .... u tired of winning yet? .... smile .....

C u in about 6 months ... thumbsup




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The ultimate decision will be John Roberts decision about having the following people testify under oath:

Mike Pompeo
John Bolton
Rudy Guiliani
Lev Parnes
Mick Mulvaney


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OH SNAP! SHE MENTIONED BARRON TRUMP IN AN EXPLANATION OF FACT! The Horror! Fake GOPer tears... Melania gets a partial pass for protecting her boy, the rest can pound salt. BTW - she apologized while still on the stand.

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40, we know what it would take to get the GOP top impeach Trump. You love Trump and I can't stand him but we can still work together on this... I just found a blue dress your size on Amazon. thumbsup

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Meanwhile...

The Senate Confirmed Four Federal Judges While The House Heard Impeachment Testimony... thumbsup

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Beautiful...


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Love it.

Matt Gaetz: Florida Representative, and human fraternity paddle.


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Beautiful...



Matt Gaetz, Devin Nunes, and Jim Jordan are the gifts that keep on giving to the dems! I love these guys. Every time they open their mouths they make dems look like the adults in the room. Y'all sure know how to pick em thumbsup

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Originally Posted By: 40YEARSWAITING
This all reminds me of hearings I saw in the 70's inside the Soviet Union. Just before they shot the guy.


I knew you where a Russian bot all along. thumbsup


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Beautiful...



Matt Gaetz, Devin Nunes, and Jim Jordan are the gifts that keep on giving to the dems! I love these guys. Every time they open their mouths they make dems look like the adults in the room. Y'all sure know how to pick em thumbsup


Only the best lol.


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Dude .... that lady from Stanford looked absolutely miserable ... she looks like she hates the world ... i feel sorry for her ... i wonder when the last time she smiled was ...

Just curious .... u tired of winning yet? .... smile .....

C u in about 6 months ... thumbsup


Old conservative white men picking on women again. How predictable, and deplorable.


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Fox News Analyst: ‘Somebody Else’ May Have Used Nunes’ Phone to Call Parnas and Giuliani

https://news.yahoo.com/fox-news-analyst-somebody-else-150753946.html

Lmfao, yea ok.


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