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I ask the same question to my Dad every single week...we have one of the best running backs in the league and one of the best 1/2 punches in the league, why don't we run the ball WAY more often? Is it an ego thing with Freddie or just plain ignorance?

Also, I think it summed up OBJ's complete frustration with this team when we walked off the field after the play when we were close to our own end zone and he had his man BEAT for a possible TD and Baker seemingly never looked his way.

I side with ego. However, he may just be incompetent. Either way, I've seen enough and I would rather not see any more of it past this season. It doesn't lead the Browns where they want to go as an organization.

Did you know we lost?

We must have, I just heard Mike Tirico say we lost.

I'm going to go with ignorance.

There is rarely any flow/rhythm to the offense after the scripted plays to start game.

The play calls seem randomly chosen, as in, "oh yeah, we have Hunt, let's give him the ball here. Ah, I forgot we haven't thrown to Landry in awhile let's get him a target now," etc..

I mentioned this in my post. OBJ had his guy 1 on 1 for the TD. Baker looked his way and then went elsewhere.

Next play Baker runs it in for a TD and OBJ walks off the field and doesn't even bother celebrating with team or congratulating Baker. He was clearly annoyed.

Great team player.

Baker already walking back his comments disparaging the medical staff.

It's always something with this team....

Get him outta here - he belongs in the NBA.

There’s zero camaraderie between Baker and his receivers. Yes Jarvis has some huge games, but by and large theQB and WRs don’t look like they enjoy playing with each other.

This team IS simply going through the motions. As a team they had no real interest in playing today and I think many players wouldn’t be upset if the season ended tomorrow. If it weren’t for a handful of guys who did come to play we would have gotten trounced.

It sure looked that way to me too

It’s got nothing to do with style points. With the exception of the 49ers loss, every other loss has been self inflicted. That shows we have the talent to be a top tier team competing with Baltimore for the Division. With that kind of talent you’ll have to excuse the rest of us who don’t get excited when we can barely handle a bottom team.

If this is the case, then the head coach needs to step in and be a leader. "You don't have to like each other but you will respect each other. Then maybe, just maybe we'll learn to play this game like men." You do whatever it takes to bring guys together for the betterment of the TEAM. The success of the TEAM comes before all else in winning organizations. If you're not part of the solution you are part of the problem. Period.

Bingo! We don't inspire much confidence...

It's a little late in the game for Freddie to try and be a leader all of sudden.

This is the same clown who told his team all week to put the past in the past and focus only on the game ahead ( Browns vs Pitt 2.0) and proceeds to be photographed wearing a Pittsburgh started it shirt.

The players clearly do not respect Freddie. There is a mountain of evidence throughout the season indicating as such (see DC's list for reference if needed).

And you’ve nailed the exact solution to the problem.

But that’s not who Freddie is or what his actual philosophy was when he was molding this team. He preaches about “team “ but from the beginning had a policy of letting the players be who they wanted to be. You can’t promote individuality then wonder why they are a group instead of a team.

IIRC The NY times called us a dumpster fire on twitter ... after the game/win ... over OBJ.

Here's the play....

Yep...

What's a Cody Suek?

j/c...

Sheesh...

https://twitter.com/Steve_R_Walker/status/1203873403532390400

Man just stop. People used that same exact argument with hue Jackson.

Also, I want to remind the board that while you guys are complaining about defense, we’re ranked 15th coming into the game, and we might be having a completely different conversation had Ward not had a pick 6.

We did not play well today.

Agreed. Not only should this game not be decided by the luck of a defensive TD, but if that didn’t happen that early and the Bengals jump out for a score this team would have folded like a cheap suit like last week and any other time a team smacks us in the face

This is not even speculation, it's pure projection. You have no idea what you're talking about, and I'm calling you on it. You, sir, have no idea what is going on between the player, or what is going on between their ears. You're simply spouting nonsensical tripe based on the irrelevant fact you don't like how they won today.

On another note, did anyone besides me notice the last field goal the Bengals kicked happened after the play clock ran out?

And if several things didn't bounce Cincy's way it would of been different also.

I get it, they didn't play great. However, they won.

Stats don't show just what this D is all about .. Mixon ran for 6.3 yards per carry ( 143 yards ) Wilks 4/2 can't multi task period ..

Ya ever wonder what this Team would look like under hard ass Williams ?

Dorsey need to check some of his ego at the door and hire a STRONG Coach not a yes man .

Teams like the Pats/BAL win games like this against teams like CLE all the time.

Ugly or not, I'll take wins like this all the time.

When I watch the Browns, I never feel confident about anything they do. In the second half of the season last year .. I did. About the only things I feel good about is Chubb/Hunt and Landry. Everything else is a coin toss, as likely to go bad as it is good. It is funny, I do not feel that way watching any other teams, just the Browns, and the Browns are my team...

Actually i do have some idea. A decade as a street cop has put me in direct contact with literally thousands of people. That’s thousands of opportunities to pay attention to what they say, how they say it, the context of what they say, what they don’t say, their posture, body language etc. all that combined can give you a pretty good idea about a persons demeanor and general mental and emotional states. I’m well qualified to make observations and speculate.

Second, I’ll stack my “tripe” against your “call out” on this topic as I’m not the only one to make these observations.

What you call me projecting is nothing more than you denying what’s in front of your nose. How are you going to criticize me or anyone else for not being happier about this win when the very players I’m talking about are barely happy about it themselves?

And yeah, how we win does matter. It’s not like we ground out a brutal, all or nothing game against the Patriots. It matters because our coach is either to egotistical or inept and will not carry over anything we start to establish to the next week.

But I guess I’m just full of it because god forbid I want to my team to demonstrate a level of competence and consistency it is capable of over a lesser opponent.

And the big thing that has changed is OBJ because NOBODY felt that last year. Hunt seems to be fitting in nicely while OBJ seems to have one foot out the door. If he is still on the team next year, I'll root for his success but if he becomes a high draft pick, I think I'll be happier. Just wonder how that might affect Landry....

Starting to lose confidence in Wilkes.. our defense stood up in the redzone but got gashed up and down the field.. Watching our defense without Myles reminds me of watching the Cavs without LeBron... there should not be THAT BIG of a drop off.

Baker has looked better lately but he still throws every pass like Nolan Ryan trying to get the last out in the world series. It's impacting his accuracy and balls are sailing.... if you have to throw it 100 mph to get it in there, here's a thought, throw it somewhere else. His high throws to guys in traffic is going to get a WR killed..

Our DBs continue to throw themselves at people instead of trying to tackle them.

I have no idea why we continue to try to pass to set up the run instead of the other way around.. baffling.

The Bengals coach made a lot of the same mistakes Freddie makes.... Mixon was gouging us all day, they get to 1st and goal from the 3, try throw, get sacked and have no chance to ever give Mixon the ball, kick FG.. He and Freddie both are trying to outthink the world rather than go with what's working and end up looking stupid..

Glad we won, glad Ward got a TD, glad Seibert make a long kick, glad Chubb got over 100 yards again.. but still far too many question marks for this late in the season, this stuff should be worked out.

J/C

I think next year, after Cincy drafts Joe Burrows, that we'll have by far the worst QB in the AFC North. That doesn't bode well for our long-term success.

That's good stuff right there. He gone...

I think we will be fine with Baker. In less than 2 years he has 61.6% career completion percentage, thrown for 6,834 yards, 42 TD vs 30 INT, 81.6% QB Rating. That is far from worst QB in the Conference. Heck, he is 3 wins to 1 loss in the same conference just this year.

I wish the NFL would get its head out of its tail and go with the college model for replay.

It is way more efficient and accurate.

The NFL’s approach makes no sense and is a farce.

OBJ literally doesn’t care one iota here ... hate that

This was so true. They looked so discouraged.

Of course they were discouraged.. They were outplayed .. outgained .. both in passing and rushing yardage .. by 451 yards to 333 in total yardage.. as well as time of possession... except for some coaching mistakes and some badly timed penalties, Cincinnati would have won the game. You can't crow and beat your chest when you know you should have lost the game.

Why not? Aaron Rodgers did in their lackluster win over the Redskins. He said that every game in the NFL is tough and sometimes you win ugly....and that he's going to celebrate another victory tonight. Cripe, it seems that every Pats win is ugly, lol.