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The most obvious answer is Opie's friend Ferentz.
Do not forget who is building this franchise and remember, he was but one voice when Crennel was hired and brand new to his job at that time.
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Marty... Marty... Marty.... I have mixed emotions about this. Yes Marty will take a crappy team and make it a good one. But that playoff record will come back to haunt him.
I will disclaim, as I always do, that I'm standing by RAC for now... but I think this is wrong thinking.. I'll take a guy who can build a team and consistently get to the playoffs over an unproven guy... As I said to a co-worker yesterday, San Diego got rid of a guy who "can't win the big one" and hired a guy who has never proven that he can even win the little ones.
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Wow...40 replies and not a single mention of Tressel (which shows intelligent conversation going on here).
Whomever the next coach is, he needs to be a motivator - one of the Vermeil, Marty, Cowher, Herm, etc. kind that knows the ways to inspire his team. To me, that is a glaring weakness with this group.
Rivera or Singletary would be great, but I'd prefer someone with some HC experience, for fear of falling down the Palmer and Romeo slope again.
IMO, Cowher is the gleaming man for this job.
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Pitt,
You have hit the nail on the head again here. I've been spouting this ever since it became obvious that Butch wasn't going to work out.
I almost don't care who we get at this point. I just want a guy who has been a HC before in the NFL...who will stay with the 3-4...and who will keep Chud. All else is up for grabs.
My picks: Haslett, Haslett, Marty. (That's NOT a typo.)
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Wow...40 replies and not a single mention of Tressel (which shows intelligent conversation going on here).
Whomever the next coach is, he needs to be a motivator - one of the Vermeil, Marty, Cowher, Herm, etc. kind that knows the ways to inspire his team. To me, that is a glaring weakness with this group.
Rivera or Singletary would be great, but I'd prefer someone with some HC experience, for fear of falling down the Palmer and Romeo slope again.
IMO, Cowher is the gleaming man for this job.
I'd probably puke if Tressel was hired. Love the guy as OSU's coach but I don't see NFL material in him, although I do think he'd do a good job preparing the team for the big games (especially Pittsburgh). But that's only compared to Romeo, which ain't saying much.
EDIT: He's the classic college-only coach...you hear it in his interviews and everything you hear about the Ohio State program...it just doesn't translate to the NFL. I don't even think he has any NFL background, if I remember correctly.
I'm with you on Cowher being the man for the job, with Marty being 2nd.
IF we go the coordinator route, I hope we go for a young one. A trend I've noticed recently is that younger coordinators who become head coaches for the first time are generally more successful. My guess is because it's like any young guy who climbs through the work ranks quickly: they do it for a reason and have a higher ceiling than the guys who climb the ladder more slowly.
EDIT: I'll use Lane Kiffin and Eric Mangini as examples (as far as Kiffin goes...he took a team that was dreadful last year and while their record doesn't show it, they play hard).
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Pitt,
You have hit the nail on the head again here. I've been spouting this ever since it became obvious that Butch wasn't going to work out.
I almost don't care who we get at this point. I just want a guy who has been a HC before in the NFL...who will stay with the 3-4...and who will keep Chud. All else is up for grabs.
My picks: Haslett, Haslett, Marty. (That's NOT a typo.)
Why Haslett? What has he ever done in New Orleans that made you think he's the man for the job? They underachieved every year he was there.
Although IMO Aaron Brooks had a ton to do with that.
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I see what you are saying.
We need a motivator. Someone who can bring to this team what it has been lacking over the years. Drive, determination and the will to win. Someone who can shake this losing menatlity. The guy needs to shake this team up with an iron fist. I don't want a Coughlin type but I want a guy that knows that these players should be treated like professionals when they play like it and give them a good swift kick in the pants when they don't.
To me Cowher fit's the mold to a "T".
There is no way Tressell should even be considered for this job. He has no coaching experience at any level in the pro's. Plus being an OSU fan I want him to stay right where he is. Tressell has the ability to become one of the greatest coaches OSU has ever seen if he stays long enough. Not the Greatest but coming close to a Woody Hayes or a Paul Brown (even though his stint was short) is an honor in it's own.
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Basically who might be an up and comer and why you think they might be a good fit for this team.
Oh I understand. But I believe if you read my above post to ddub,you'll see my reasoning.
Because there's no doubt about the fact that RAC had the pedigree as a DC coming in here. That's the major problem I see with the "up and comer" idea.
Now if we had a successfull team and our coach retired "ala Steelers",your actual team itself can cover for some of this "up and comers" weak points untill he gets the finer points down. He has a winning team,developed talent and sound,established management and ownership in place. All of the tangibles are in place to help him along.
IMO.that's the perfect situation to "lessen the gameble" of bringing in and "up and comer".
See,it's my considered opinion that you need "sound.established leadership" to get a fledgling team on its feet.
Look at the Browns. Randy inherrited the team. As an owner,while he is willing to pay the price and costs to bring a winner to Cleveland,his football experience as an owner is of a short term nature. He does not have the experience in "this business" to fall back on.
Our GM,while I feel has done a pretty good job at acquiring talent,is also a novice at the GM position. So as you can see,while Randy has a fat checkbook and Phil seems to be a pretty good talent evaluater,where is "the experience factor" at any level of our management and coaching staff at their perspective current roles?
We have a guy who has a VERY short career as an owner,a GM who has VERY little experience at that position. Our OC,while showing signs of life is also very innexperienced at that role. Our DC hasn't really shown any signs of at his position.
So point being,who in this entire organisation has the experience in their perspective positions to right this ship?
See,I think there are combinations that can breed success. If if you have an Art Rooney and a Dick Labough,you have the experience in place that your odds of success with an "up and comer" are optimum. You have the experience in place to tutor a guy and help "develop him INTO" a great NFL head coach.
We don't have a situation anywhere nearly similar to that. We don't have that experienced owner,DC,GM or winning team. None of those ingrediants. As a matter of fact,we are SO innexperienced in regards to ownership and our FO personnel,that it's almost IMPERATIVE that we "bring experience in".
I feel that's been the problem all along to a great degree. To "build a team from the ground up" somebody within the chain of command MUST have the experience to have the where with all and experience to accomplish that.
While Phil IMO CAN be a great GM,he hasn't "built a team from the ground up". While Randy has a fat check book,he doesn't have decades of experience to base his decisions on in the NFL. So if we don't hire a guy like Marty,where will we draw the experience from to accomplish our goal?
That my friend in and of itself describes much of the problem we are currently in. I believe if RAC had just been hired as the Steelers head coach,he would stand pretty good odds of success. Because Rooney and Labough have the experience to help mold RAC into a head coach.
But RAC was brought into a situation where there is no experience above him to help guide him and mold him into a successfull head coach. That's something that I believe is key as to why RAC is and will have a rough time finding success here as a head coach. And a guy like Marty brings that experience in leadership that this organisation as a whole is sorely lacking.
I don't feel bringing in yet another "up and comer" in here will help. Because we have absolutely NONE of the key ingrediants in our FO or ownership to help groom an up and comer. That makes them all a long shot in our situation.
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That is the kind of outside the box thikning I was looking for when I made this thread.
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Someone who can bring to this team what it has been lacking over the years. Drive, determination and the will to win. Someone who can shake this losing menatlity.
I think it is more the second than the first... I think this team has always had the drive and determination to win... what has been lacking is the belief that they WILL win.... It's pretty easy to tell the difference between a team that goes into the 4th quarter of a close game believing that they will win, compared to a team going in hoping they will win... We have appeared to be the latter for a long time...
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My personal opinion is that a losing mentality lacks all of the above. Some people might know they aren't the best but they fight their hearts out and give it everything they've got. This team just seems to lay down and give up too many times. To me that is sorely lacking drive and determination.
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Impossible to reply now, but important to start. Do we look prepared? Got years of "ioo many people out of position" and it is what it is. Suspect awful will continue. Did Frye get coached up? Coached out of bad habits? Did he get worse? I think our way too underused TE's are a strength. So keep that coach & specials. But we can't really talk about "who's out there" until later in the year beyond the obvious few. Ditka. Da Brownz "is what they is" 
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Why Haslett? What has he ever done in New Orleans that made you think he's the man for the job? They underachieved every year he was there.
Although IMO Aaron Brooks had a ton to do with that.
I agree. I think Haslett was overrated as a HC. As far as Aaron Brooks having something to do with that, wasn't Haslett the guy who put him in there?
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What's the deal w/ Jimmy Johnson? Has he said he would never come back to football?
I always figured after a few years out, he'd come back to another team. Marty and Parcells changed teams a million times and even Joe Gibbs came back. I'm surprised Jimmy Johnson never did.
I'm not his biggest fan cause I hated the Cowboys and that clip of him saying "How bout them Cowboys!" I seem to see all the time. I also can't stand looking at his hair but I'll get serious and admit he was a good coach.
I agree the most desirable head coach is an offensive minded coach. The more experience in the pros, the better.
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Easy...he's available...he HAS been a head coach before...he took a dreadful team/franchise and made them respectable with a god-awful QB...I assume he would keep the 3-4 and Chud. (Assumed because I listed it as a requirement.) He is the typical guy who had some success and whose failures were not completely his fault - bad QB in this case. He's the next Bill Belicheck.  I just like the guy as well. Disciplinarian...emotional...been-there-done-that...etc.
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We need a tandem. Like Pioli and Belicheck. It is critical for Savage to remain. Speculation was that Savage hired Chud. Romeo just shook his head. If that is the case then Chud may be the guy. It is hard to know what goes on behind the scenes. How do the players respond to Chud? How is he viewed by the other coaches? What kind of reputation does he have around the league?
I really like Mike Singletary. When you listen to him. He just commands your attention. He is intense but at the same time appears to be a great teacher. He has the respect of all who have been around him. He knows what it takes as far as commitment to excellance. He is "the" classic overachiever. He made himself a great player. I truly believe he will be a great head coach. He is the type of guy players will follow.
Because he has never been a head coach there will be a learning curve as far as dealing with all the other aspects of being a head coach like the media etc. But in the end analysis this guy has what you are looking for in a head coach. What I don't know is what if any relationship does he have with Savage? And if they have no current relationship could they develop one? Could they work together? That will be a key component when this decision is made.
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We need a tandem. Like Pioli and Belicheck. It is critical for Savage to remain. Speculation was that Savage hired Chud. Romeo just shook his head. If that is the case then Chud may be the guy. It is hard to know what goes on behind the scenes. How do the players respond to Chud? How is he viewed by the other coaches? What kind of reputation does he have around the league?
Other than being a TE coach,to date,he has had a total of 11 games as an NFL OC. Eight of those games were as a filler as an interum OC.
Are you suggesting that are the qualifications we may be looking for in our next head coach?
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Not at all am I suggesting that. I like Singletary. What I am saying is this will be a Savage hire. If Savage feels he has what it takes then he may very well be the guy. I like his offense but I would be concerned about his lack of experience. That is why I said it is hard to figure what he is like behind the scenes and what is the opinion of him is by those in the know.
There have been many head coaches that have been hired with little experience. Kiffin, Tomlin, Madden, Noll. Just to name a few. The key will be can he work well with Savage; and does Savage feel the person has what it takes.
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I didn't read the whole thread, but just from the title alone one name popped into my head, Bob Stoops with the sanctions put on Oklahoma and their repore, I could see this, it not it might be the next "hot " coordinator available.
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Well,I just don't see him as..............a TE coach last year.................OC this year....................head coach next year. To me,that's more like microwaving him into the head coaching position,not just rushing him.  In many cases when you see a very inexperienced guy hired,he's surrounded by quality experience around him. Like a very solid and experienced ownership base,a successfull or experienced GM. The Browns owner has just gotten his feet wet and our GM is only in his third year as an NFL GM. Point being,we don't have the experience and environment surrounding the head coaching position to teach and tutor such an inexperienced candidate. If anything,we need an established NFL head coach,not another project. Because who's he gonna learn from? Who can he go to for advice and direction while he's becoming an accomplished head coach? Just wondering. Because we need some experience in here somewhere IMO
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