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This isnt a fire Romeo thread, so please, leave those thoughts in the fire romeo thread.
I want to focus on things that need to be improved from Romeo, to keep him here. instead of why he should be fired, make this thread about improvements to be made in our team's room for improvements that Romeo can affect. What can he do, to save/keep his job.
my thoughts are as follows:
1. Game specific plans (on defense). It appears that our defense looks exactly the same week after week, and I think that falls on Romeo. When it comes down to it, its his team and game plans. Why do they seem to be the same every week, especially if its not working? I understand wanting to stay the course, or if they cant do simple things right, why complicate it. But What I Want To See, the rest of this year, is attempts to fix our D. If something isnt working, I want it ditched. I want Romeo to find something that will work, and I want him to go with it.
2. I want to see players held accountable. It appears he's considering it on our D from his presser. "If that means other people playing, so be it." Or something of that sort. I'd like to see underachieving players on the bench. Please. I dont care if its a bad OL (Dorsey, get off the FG unit...), bad DB, bad DL, someone. Bench people playing bad. In the case of our DL...Chase Pittman and Melila Purcell are on our practice squad, and are young, and could provide our DL with some life...maybe? Give them a shot.
3. Improved Defense. It kinda combines with point 1. But I want them separated. I'm not a defensive genious, so I cant tell ya how to fix our D. Romeo is largely considered a defensive guy. Romeo, fix this D. Please. If it means straying from the norm, do it.
4. Better preparation: It seems like we come out, guessing in he early stages of games. I think we need to have more film study and a more definitive plan heading in. And a backup plan if that doesnt work. And a backup plan if the backup plan falters. As a rule, we should have our teams scouted by the time we play them. If it means putting more time in the film room Romeo, get there.
5. Emotion from the squad. I know its not an easy thing to do (I coach basketball and its not easy), but our teams come out flat. And that needs to stop happening Romeo. We need a more emotionally prepared team on the field. We need a team that even if we struggle early, can recover quickly. 16-0 to the Raiders in the 2nd Q is unacceptable. These guys like playing for you. Why dont they like to get excited for you? Why dont they play hard AND smart at all times for you? I want to see this figured out. I want to see some fight from this team.
6. Determination. I see a team, that comes out, hoping not to lose. I'm tired of seeing that. I want to see a team come out, ready to win, wanting nothing but a W, and willing to do anything and everything to do that. Be it confidence, or something else. I want to see more determination from our coaching staff and team.
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it doesn't matter,, RAC could take this team to a super bowl and win it, and some on here would still want his head... if it were left to the fans,,,, he'd already been gone...
basically, it sucks to be him..... he can't win. even if he does!
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1. Game specific plans (on defense). It appears that our defense looks exactly the same week after week, and I think that falls on Romeo. When it comes down to it, its his team and game plans.
I agree with you completly. It's a very legitimate point that seems to have been a constant to this point. But I do believe that this is not exclusive to the defense,but also on the offensive side of the ball.
I mean most of us know that the talent level has not experienced enough to where "we can dictate" the flow of the game. Unlike established winning teams like N.Eng. or the Colts. See,they have the talent to just "play ther game" and force you to come out and beat them.
When you don't have such an established team,you must be creative and innovative in changing up your game plan on both sides of the ball according to your oponent. You must "adapt" to expolit your oponents weakness and work to your strong suits and mismatches.
Running the same exact game plan on both sides of the ball week in and week out when you know you're a little outclassed,is just asking for poor results and shows a lack of ability to make such game plan adjustments. And it works precisely the same way in regards to half time adjustments as well.
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2. I want to see players held accountable. It appears he's considering it on our D from his presser. "If that means other people playing, so be it."
I believe accountablitity across the board has been lacking. And yes,at some point it should be expected in every phase of the Browns operation including both sides of the ball.
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3. Improved Defense. It kinda combines with point 1. But I want them separated. I'm not a defensive genious, so I cant tell ya how to fix our D. Romeo is largely considered a defensive guy. Romeo, fix this D. Please. If it means straying from the norm, do it.
Once again,this is a point I have made as well. And I agree with you completely.
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4. Better preparation: It seems like we come out, guessing in he early stages of games. I think we need to have more film study and a more definitive plan heading in. And a backup plan if that doesnt work. And a backup plan if the backup plan falters. As a rule, we should have our teams scouted by the time we play them. If it means putting more time in the film room Romeo, get there.
I believe this is true on both sides of the ball. We play our division oponents twice every year. By now,RAC should pretty well know these teams O's and D's like the back of his hand. While we may not have the overall talent to beat these teams with any consistancy,we should understand their game plans with great familiarity and be able to play them very competatively on a regular basis by changing up our game plan based on what THEY do. As I said before,we're simply not powerfull enough "yet" to dictate the flow of the game in most cases within our division. But through the proper coaching,you can adjust and adapt YOUR game plan to try to compensate,at least to some degree,for the "experience factor".
I mean,you HAVE to at LEAST try to IMO.
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5. Emotion from the squad. I know its not an easy thing to do (I coach basketball and its not easy), but our teams come out flat. And that needs to stop happening Romeo. We need a more emotionally prepared team on the field. We need a team that even if we struggle early, can recover quickly. 16-0 to the Raiders in the 2nd Q is unacceptable. These guys like playing for you. Why dont they like to get excited for you? Why dont they play hard AND smart at all times for you? I want to see this figured out. I want to see some fight from this team.
It seems to be an ongoing theme. On occasion,you will see it. But not with ANY regularity to speak of. Which is a principal reason IMO why we simply can't seem to string two wins together regardless of where we are in our schedule to this point under RAC. I mean wheather it's been during a strong part of the schedule,or the weak part of our schedule,back to back wins has completly eluded him.
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6. Determination. I see a team, that comes out, hoping not to lose. I'm tired of seeing that. I want to see a team come out, ready to win, wanting nothing but a W, and willing to do anything and everything to do that. Be it confidence, or something else. I want to see more determination from our coaching staff and team.
This is a quality that is a cocstant in great NFL head coaches. To be able to "inspire your players". And some of the public comments he's made about "not being good enough to climb out of a hole" (Pitt game) and other such comments,aren't the type of things a coach says to "inspire" his players. We can only hope he will quickly see this and correct these type of things. And I stress the word "quickly".
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Pretty much the things you have mentioned would give signs and indications that he has the makings of a compitant and successfull NFL head coach. It would give us "cause for optimism".
But yes,we need to have signs of leadership that you can actually see and point to on game days on a regular basis, Something that has been sorely lacking to this point.
Let's take Oakland for example. They knew we were going to try to run. Had we come out with a few screens,short crossing routes to JJ and 8-15 yard passes to KW2,it would have loosened their run D up. You simply need to adapt and adjust according to your oponent.
Those are the type of things that I think RAC should and could do that would cause me to say,"Wait a minute,not so fast! He seems to be headed in the right direction. Let's give him a little time."
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it doesn't matter,, RAC could take this team to a super bowl and win it, and some on here would still want his head... if it were left to the fans,,,, he'd already been gone...
basically, it sucks to be him..... he can't win. even if he does!
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it's too late IMO.
He hasn't shown me anything in 2+ years to show that he has that certain "IT" that coaches need.
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It's a general statement that is sort of a "catch all" to dismiss the points of others,without really making any of your own.  Don't actually address the subject matter or the thread,just attempt to degrade the opinions of those that do without really saying anything of relivance.
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Pit would know, he's the master of it.
I see you have actually tried to address the thread topic as well.
Look, they guy made a thread,actually addressed and asked some legitimate questions. Now if you "RAC rationalisers" don't mind,rather than just sit back and throw out crap and catch phrases,why don't you address the topic?
In case you didn't notice,it's a very well thought out topic and your post has done NOTHING to address his questions or points. In case it's escaped you,that is actually the objective of the guy making the thread. It woule be nice if you guys would actually address his topic rather than spit out venom and double talk for a change of pace. It's "Pure Football". Try it,you'll like it. Or,maybe not.
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Being a little harsh on us , don't ya think !
Hey, I've been told I know nothing about football, that I am worthless and a liar,,, do you think I care who I'm hard on?
By the way Water, I wasn't directing those comments at you.. The people I'm directing them at know who they are.
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Where Romeo Needs To Improve To Stay In Cleveland
Discipline
Consistency
If those 2 things improve, then we might actually know if RACs game plans work or not.. tough to tell when 2 out of every 3 games you're 2 scores behind in the first half due to turnovers, penalties, mental breakdowns, and botched plays... throw it to the guy that's open, catch it if you're open, make the tackle when you have a chance.......
with that said, I can only blame those on the players for so long, as the coach there comes a time when you must take responsibility for your players inability to play their position right... I can live with a slower, undersized guy who is in position to make a play but is just unable to make it, more than I can live with a brilliantly gifted athlete who is always out of position....
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1) The Browns are not very aggressive on defense. They play the position game. The problem is that the players are not always in position.
2) I believe players are held accountable. You do not attend the meetings with the players, so how this statement can be made is beyond me. Do you expect RAC to be the "bus driver" and toss his players under the bus in the name of accountability?
3) Improved D - Obvious, the question is how.
4) I doubt that RAC is too busy sipping his latte to not be watching film. Again a lack of knowledge makes this claim unsubstantiated. Is there something that can be done more creatively to break down the film or other team? I don't know what that answer is, but film and component breakdown should be an administrative goal. Too much money is on the line not to sit a kid (well 8 kids, 3 for each division foe, and 5 for upcoming opponents) with a computer in the back room with the given objective to break down the other team to the smallest detail.
5) This is one of the lame excuses as to why RAC is not an effective coach. OK it is understood that he is not a rah-rah guy, we have Grantham for that and the tide is turning against him. Do not mistake emotion for a lack of caring.
6) Determination. This I think is something that needs to be addressed. Too many times teams play not to lose rather than to win. This happens to every team. Yesterday, the Raiders tried to run out the clock to put the Browns in a bad position, but I do not consider a 40 yard field goal the criteria for sucess. 8 of 10 times the game would have been lost.
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Charger, with the film bit. I'm more saying. If thats what we need to do more of to know what to see and how to exploit our opponent, so be it. I'm just saying, that we should be able to better game plan against our opponent. and our game plans should reflect a general knowledge of our opponent. Teams do it to us, but we play the same game over and over.
With the emotion bit. I mean, more so, that we need to be able to control ours. Our offense seems to be jittery in the beginning of games, and I dont like that. I think we dont have good control. I'm not saying that Romeo needs to be animated whatsoever. I think that the team should reflect a team that is confident and excited to play and win. That partially reflect on the coach. If theyre playing scared, I think thats partly coaching. I know when i coach basketball and my team is playing scared, i take part of that blame to myself. As should any coach.
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I believe that the film of an opponent should be broken down weeks in advance of the game, and compiled/updated until it is ready for delivery to the coaches on the Tuesday following the game.
It sort of follows the adage of know your enemy as well as you know yourself. I would even suggest that you have someone break down the Browns to make the coaches understand what their tendencies are.
Walsh was perhaps the best at developing a gameplan. Give him 2 weeks and he would be frothing at the chance to tear apart the other team.
Maybe we need the infamous 15 scripted plays.
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2) I believe players are held accountable. You do not attend the meetings with the players, so how this statement can be made is beyond me. Do you expect RAC to be the "bus driver" and toss his players under the bus in the name of accountability?
No I don't. But when you tell the press that when you dig a 17-0 hole before half time,that your team "just isn't good enough to come back from that". You are giving your team an excuse to lose. That you're flat out telling them that they can not do their job. I don't feel it's "throwing anybody under the bus" if he would have said that we can't get down in the dumps when we get behind. That we need to work on fighting harder as a team when such circumstances arise and that we'll simply HAVE to get better.
Not "throwing anybody under the bus". Just not making defeatist public statements. He has made his share and it is quite perplexing.
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3) Improved D - Obvious, the question is how.
I think the point that some people are trying to make is,that RAC's "claim to fame" before coming here was as a DC. He is a professional that is getting paid and got his job to do just that. Figure out schemes that find and exploit the weaknesses of our oponents. I'm not trying to be derogitory here. I'm just stating that this ability was at the top of his resume' coming into Cleveland. And while it is true that major upgrades weren't made in our D,guys like Peek and R.Smith are upgrades. However,we've seen no signifigant signs that our D is improving. Actually,Peek is performing well overall,but the unit as a whole has not.
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4) I doubt that RAC is too busy sipping his latte to not be watching film. Again a lack of knowledge makes this claim unsubstantiated.
I don't see where anybody has stated he hasn't "studied the film". The point being,I believe he has. Which may be a part of the problem. As I stated,we play our division oponents twice annually. Which mean even after two short years,he has four games worth of film on each of our division.
Yet he seems to be unable to this point to find answers or adjust the game plans to expolit their weaknesses. With the vast amount of information and film he has to work with on these division oponents,you would think that we could see his ability to make adjustments accordingly. No,not to win against them consistantly,but be competative against them. He'll get yet another chance this Sunday. Hopefully his film study will result in some new adjustments that can net him better results overall than he has been able to achieve against our division rivals to this point.
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5) This is one of the lame excuses as to why RAC is not an effective coach. OK it is understood that he is not a rah-rah guy, we have Grantham for that and the tide is turning against him. Do not mistake emotion for a lack of caring.
Now see,here's where I feel "lame" lays squarely on the shoulders of the accuser. Nobody stated ANYWHERE that you have to be a "rah rah" guy to achieve getting his guys to be focused,play with intensity and have that game time fire and emotion.
Look at Bill Walsh,Tom Landry,hell the list is a long one. But there are many ways that head coaches have achieved this. Some breathe fire and brimstone like Vince Lombardi and some do it with a calm confidence. It's not a question or matter of how he achieves it as you seem to be suggesting here. It's about achieving those results that matter. And looking at history,a coach being a "rah rah guy" is not a necessity to achieve that goal. However,all great coaches have achieved it by one method or the other. As I understand it,that is the point here on which I agree fully.
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Hey, I've been told I know nothing about football, that I am worthless and a liar,,, do you think I care who I'm hard on?
The people I'm directing them at know who they are.
For God's sake man,get a grip and quit your whining would ya?
The "poor me" act is getting old.
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No I don't. But when you tell the press that when you dig a 17-0 hole before half time,that your team "just isn't good enough to come back from that". You are giving your team an excuse to lose. That you're flat out telling them that they can not do their job. I don't feel it's "throwing anybody under the bus" if he would have said that we can't get down in the dumps when we get behind. That we need to work on fighting harder as a team when such circumstances arise and that we'll simply HAVE to get better.
Something just occurred to me reading this.
First off, I agree. I can't stand it - as in it makes my stomach turn - every time RAC says something to this effect. What better way to not have players believe in themselves. Actually, I get mad just thinking about it.
But I wonder if that is RAC just taking stabs at Savage. If I had to guess, I don't think things are that great between them as Savage has done just an ok job, IMO.
Every time he makes one of these statements, it's an indictment on the talent of the team.
Or it's just a guy who isn't cut out to be a head coach not realizing he is giving his team an excuse for failure.
I don't know which one...but neither are good.
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No I don't. But when you tell the press that when you dig a 17-0 hole before half time,that your team "just isn't good enough to come back from that". You are giving your team an excuse to lose. That you're flat out telling them that they can not do their job. I don't feel it's "throwing anybody under the bus" if he would have said that we can't get down in the dumps when we get behind. That we need to work on fighting harder as a team when such circumstances arise and that we'll simply HAVE to get better.
Something just occurred to me reading this.
First off, I agree. I can't stand it - as in it makes my stomach turn - every time RAC says something to this effect. What better way to not have players believe in themselves. Actually, I get mad just thinking about it.
But I wonder if that is RAC just taking stabs at Savage. If I had to guess, I don't think things are that great between them as Savage has done just an ok job, IMO.
Every time he makes one of these statements, it's an indictment on the talent of the team.
Or it's just a guy who isn't cut out to be a head coach not realizing he is giving his team an excuse for failure.
I don't know which one...but neither are good.
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I mentioned this same thing a couple weeks ago after the Pittsburgh game and a couple people called me out on it. I'm glad I see a couple people who agree on this topic.
The players hear this stuff in the media. Don't think for a second they don't know what their coach says. When the coach says "We're not good enough." that's a confidence blow to your team and helps create a losing culture.
Savage sounds upbeat every time he talks, while Romeo is "If we make plays, we might have a chance to win." What a vote of confidence.
Coaches always told us to believe in ourselves, I don't care if it's pee wee, middle school, high school, college or the NFL, psyches are fragile. If your coach doesn't demonstrate confidence in your guys, you lose them.
See Bill Callahan's "We must be the dumbest team in the NFL." comment, and Chris Palmer's "runaway train" comment. That's how coaches lose the team.
I have to wonder if Romeo's "that's the par of the course around here" comment will be what does him in with his team...ditto w/ calling out Eric Wright.
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But when you tell the press that when you dig a 17-0 hole before half time,that your team "just isn't good enough to come back from that". You are giving your team an excuse to lose. That you're flat out telling them that they can not do their job. I don't feel it's "throwing anybody under the bus" if he would have said that we can't get down in the dumps when we get behind. That we need to work on fighting harder as a team when such circumstances arise and that we'll simply HAVE to get better.
Pit, it's about time to let this argument go... you keep pounding away at it... but let's look at the facts in the real world... since he said this and since you've posted it 8 million times what have we done? We played a game where the offense lit it up for 51 points, which is really good, even against a bad defense... and then in the next week we got down by 2 scores and battled back... got down by 2 scores again and battled back... and had a chance to win it in the end... so obviously the effect you THOUGHT this could have, it hasn't had that effect at all... it's time to let this one go.
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The point being,I believe he has. Which may be a part of the problem. As I stated,we play our division oponents twice annually. Which mean even after two short years,he has four games worth of film on each of our division.
Yet he seems to be unable to this point to find answers or adjust the game plans to expolit their weaknesses. With the vast amount of information and film he has to work with on these division oponents,you would think that we could see his ability to make adjustments accordingly. No,not to win against them consistantly,but be competative against them. He'll get yet another chance this Sunday.
He did this 2 weeks ago, we beat the Bengals. We exploited their porous defense, had about 10 plays over 20 yards and put up 51 points and all you did was ridicule the defense.... So if we beat the Ravens 3-0 or lose to them 7-3 are you going to be ridiculing the OFFENSE?
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You know DC,we had a similar shoot out with Cincy a few years back. We came out on the short end of the stick,but it was a very similarly played game.
So yes,against a VERY poor D when our QB's play "above and beyond themselves",we are competative with one of three of our division oponents. That would be suggesting however that giving up over 40 points holds some great measure of success. Problem being,our team is not to the level where that is,can or should be expected at any time against any team. I would be very suspicious to realisticly consider our team having the ability to put up 30+ points on a regular basis in its current form. (ie...DA at QB)
I'll take a W wheather it's an aborition because we scored 51 points or not. But it is what it is. When you're biting your fingernails in the fourth quarter wondering wheather your team will put up a W after scoring 51 points? It's an extremly measured bit of success. Now if we can score 30-40 points a week,we can play 500 ball,maybe.
But often times I try to be a tad bit more realistic than that.
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So yes,against a VERY poor D when our QB's play "above and beyond themselves",we are competative with one of three of our division oponents.
Pit, I still think you have one very bad game against the Steelers in week 1 carrying a disproportionate amount of the weight in your argument.....
Last year we lost to the Ravens 15-14... and 27-17... we lost to the Steelers 24-20.... and we did get beat bad a few times within our division.. but those are very competitive scores and are NOT offensive shoot outs where our QB plays above himself...
And this "VERY poor defense" beat the Ravens and took the playoff caliber Seahawks to the final minute, giving up 20 points and 24 points respectively... so they give up an average of 22 ppg to playoff caliber teams... we scored 51.... so you measure success however you want.... but that's a fine offensive perfomance in my book, not to be diminished by the "Poor defense" excuse....
And why is it that when a player has an exceptional day, it's because he played above himself but when a player has a bad day its because he's poorly coached? 
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it's too late IMO.
He hasn't shown me anything in 2+ years to show that he has that certain "IT" that coaches need.
I agree....this isn't some on the job training program we are running.
If he hasn't learned it in the 20+ years he was an assistant, he isn't magically going to learn it now.
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This team is having growing pains...plain and simple.. The problem I see as of now is the defense..the offense is going to be inconsistant BECAUSE YOU HAVE A INCONSISTANT QB.. That's not hard for some to understand... So my attention is to the defensive side..and I don't like whats going on.. It's the fundamentals that are lacking and a lack of scheming to our strengths.. Coming from NE they knew how to cover up deficiencies..of course they HAD WAY more talent..but they were still creative.. Secondary... Boy do we miss Brian Russell. This is one I have to admit even though part of me knew his instincts and ability to get people lines up was his strength, not his athletic ability. The only place we can conceivably look to replace what he brought is with Gary Baxter. Pool is just awful in terms of instincts. And since he's usually on the same side as Wright, who's been equally awful early on , it's an exponential disaster. Wright needs help but Pool can't seem to give it. Holly needs to replace Wright for a while. And we need Baxter healthy ASAP to replace Pool. If and when Bodden gets healthy, we're golden with he and Jones. LB... Two problems here, with DQ and Davis being the main one. They're just are too slow and not physical enough to be starters in this league. OK, maybe DQ if he has a stud next to him. Williams is just an active backup who looks better than he is because those dreads are flying around. But he is bigger and faster so we may have to put him in more to disrupt the flow.. Wimbley's a great talent and Peek is decent. Here's the 2nd problem. We have one force in this front seven and it's obvious to all that he's coming from the right side over the offense's best blocker on every play. That effectively takes him out of most plays. And if he has to be d-teamed, the offense knows where he is at all times. How hard is it to move Kam around so he has to be accounted for by lesser blockers? Does Merriman come from the same side every play? Did LT? Make the offense locate him, communicate to account for or D-team him, and execute with lesser players for gosh sakes. I don't understand why some coaches detest scheming, when in fact it's what the best coaches do. RAC won't do anything scheme-wise to free up Kam. Why not? Didn't he learn anything under BB? Do the Steelers and Ravens scheme with LeBeau and Ryan? Of course they do, and with great success. DL... Yep it's awful. Old, slow, fat. Not much you can do with these 3 and Kam at DE against the pass, well unless you want to scheme something. And with our MLB's, it's always gonna be ugly against the run as well. There's a couple things I'd try though, and both involve blitzing. Blitz against the run and blitz against the pass. Don't make an injured Bodden cover for long, or a weak CB on the other side as well. Attack! Don't let a QB get comfy back there. It's not working. Ram a safety up in there against the run. Part of the problem with our defense IMO, is that the conservative play has our guys on their heels all game. They're not aggressive because RAC doesn't allow it. Attack somebody, get some adrenaline going, blow somebody up. We might give up some big plays, but we do that now. I guarantee we'll at least cause some turnovers if we blitzkrieg the heck out of people. We haven't cause TO's since RAC's been here. If you can't dazzle em with talent, then by golly try to confuse em with footwork. As predictable as we were on offense pre-Chud, we're that predictable on defense. You can't win that way unless you're more talented than the other guy. This just in--we're not. Scheming is a requirement in the NFL today. It's not just about execution. Hey RAC, try something, anything else. It ain't working.
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Well,I'll never hold it against someone for having an oposing opinion. But from reading this board,the one game most thought we would "have in the bag" was Da Raiders. That we were a superior team to the Raiders. That we could simply outplay the Raiders. And you need only go to the Raiders game day forum and predictions thread to see that was an overwhelming theme. The fact is,we "almost squeeked out a win" against a team most felt we were purely better than. That going into the season,most felt would surely be our best chance of winning early in our schedule. I'm not saying it was a "terrible game". But I saw our team once again come out without fire and motivation. Without taking advantage of oppertunities and generaly flat. Those are the things that are far too consistant. And from my perspective,one of the reasons we simply can't win two in a row no matter what our scedule has looked like to this juncture. Coming off that win against Cicy,this team should have been more than motivated and on its toes. I simply didn't see that,did you?
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First, we have addressed all the points made ad nauseum. Then you ignore them or dismiss them. You keep hammering the same tired things that, as DC has said, you need to let go and try to find actual reasons. I love this quote though: "Well,I'll never hold it against someone for having an oposing opinion. " While you have called Daman a liar and several other things. Then of course, the comment about being a whining baby and the poor me when that is your complete and total M.O. in "debating".
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But from reading this board,the one game most thought we would "have in the bag" was Da Raiders.
Ok, first of all, it seems like you are equating the opinions of the board members to that of some expert level... which is a mistake... all "the majority of opinions" means on this board is that a couple select individuals made some comments and lots of others jumped in and agreed...
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That we were a superior team to the Raiders.
Maybe these people didn't watch the Steelers/Browns game or the Broncos/Raiders game... people felt that way because we were coming off the Cincy game and they had a moderately inflated view of the Browns... and they were using last season and preseason rankings to evaluate the Raiders... both of which are bad ideas.
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And you need only go to the Raiders game day forum and predictions thread to see that was an overwhelming theme.
What I saw from the real experts, the former players and coaches and analyzers who get paid to do such things and who are unbiased about our win over Cincy, was pretty much an even split picking the Browns and the Raiders.... Outside of "Browns World" there was no overwhelming feeling that we SHOULD win this game...
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The fact is,we "almost squeeked out a win" against a team most felt we were purely better than.
Most were wrong... I haven't counted in the prediction thread this week but from what I have seen, about half are picking the Browns... does that mean we have a 50% chance of beating the Ravens?
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That going into the season,most felt would surely be our best chance of winning early in our schedule.
And most thought we would lose to the Bengals... and most thought we should stomp the Saints in the opener last year because they sucked..... most on this MB are usually wrong, myself included....
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I'm yet to see our team not start the game with enthusiasm and play hard the whole game... just because something isn't working, doesn't mean the team is flat.
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Without taking advantage of oppertunities and generaly flat.
What opportunities? THEY had all of the opportunities, especially early on... we give them a gift INT at the 24 and force a FG.. then another gift INT at the 7 and force another FG... we were playing up hill the whole game, not from our own missed opportunities, but trying to recover from our mistakes.... If you want to blame the two perfect throws Anderson made to the Raiders on RAC, then so be it....
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Yes I did... but what I saw was a team that fell back into an old pattern of mistakes.. penalties, turnovers, etc.. drive killers, field position changers, points-giver-uppers... ... it has nothing to do with motivation. In the first half I saw BE make a remarkable catch tipping the ball to himself, I saw the defense make 2 goal line stands, I saw Cribbs run back a kickoff.... what I also saw was drive killing penalties and turnovers... none of which lead me to believe this team was lacking motivation or fire...
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1. It appears that way, but it's not. There have been variations of the D, but you won't see a huge shift in the game plan because of several things....injuries in the secondary, lack of talent on the DL, etc. As I said in another thread, you can't run until you can walk.
2. How do you know the players AREN'T held accountable? RAC has benched players for off field conduct and has taken playing time away from players not producing on the field. He said it best in his press conference that if you don't do the job, you won't be in there. The biggest measure of accountability to a player is playing time.
3. Getting the secondary healthy and getting better play from the DL (NT specifically) will do wonders to improve this D......along with some patience. It's only game 3 and people act like the season is over.
4. Not trying to be smart, but you have no idea how much film study RAC and his staff do, but there is no way you can say that he doesn't do enough of it. There is a plan in place when the team goes into a game and there is a backup plan, just as you want. The problem isn't the gameplan or schemes, it's execution.
5. Our team comes out flat? i disagree entirely. In fact, they have come out TOO keyed up and didn't play under control.
6. I see a team that has to learn how to win. I think they are determined, just not confident in themselves. That is why getting winners like McGinnest, Steinbach, etc. in here was so important.
Again, I think the improvements will come with time this season. Patience is the key.
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Hey, I've been told I know nothing about football, that I am worthless and a liar,,, do you think I care who I'm hard on?
The people I'm directing them at know who they are.
For God's sake man,get a grip and quit your whining would ya?
The "poor me" act is getting old.
Didn't attack get suspended for this when he did something similar to you?
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Maybe it was me....but it looked like we spread our defensive splits a few feet, working off outside shoulder....maybe in an effort to funnel things inside.
The problem we have is we string things outside pretty well, but our inside backers tend to over pursuit, and Washington can't move enough down the line to take away the cutback.
With Washington as immobile as he is, I would think tightening up the gaps a little would be the move we need to take..and just hope the corners can get up in run support on the outside.
Yep....I might look to set the ends up in the gap between the guards and tackles....close it down some and hope Peek, Wimbley, and the corners can get it done on the outside.
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Since you posted that comment on scheme, I posted this in the defense thread but it can go here also.
We seem to be jumping into a 4-2-5 nickel look in passing situations with Wimbley and Peek at DE, and Simon Frasier/Robaire Smith/Orpheus Roye manning the weak side A and strong side B gaps. I don't like it.
I'd rather go to more of a true 3-4 look and play an odd front. This means a NT over the center, guys over the tackles, and an OLB/rush LB sometimes called an elephant standing up and bringing it. Better yet, a 3-3 look with only one true DL at NT, rushing one or two LBs every play.
My wrinkle would be to put Wimbley and Thompson over the OTs, with Peek at the elephant position. Acnhor the line with Roye at the NT position, and let him attack. For a stronger front, PUT R. Smith or even McGinest (when he comes back) at one DE spot over a tackle and rotate an OLB out.
Having multiple OLBs rushing allows you to zone blitz, and bring Dra/Leon/DQ and drop the OLB into coverage.
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Good observation...also Washington isn't drawing the double team so our LBs are unprotected. What's interesting that I'm not sure many saw, Kelly got the start and alot more time Sunday. I wonder why Smith isn't getting more time. He's more mobile than Washington and should draw a double team.
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I agree...and part of what I wanted to mention and failed to do so is partly that...that would shield the ILBs a bit more.
It would also help the the pursuit problem and everybody would be a few extra feet to the inside.
Yes....I have wondered why Smith isn't on the nose more.
I don't care what Romeo thinks is the weak sport on the line...the NT is weaker than the end slots with just about anybody we line up out there....
If a NT can't command 2 blockers and/or have enough movement down the line to at least make the back think about not cutting back, you are sunk no matter what you do.
But....Ted is Romeo's buddy.
That guy should have never made the team.
I would have told him it was going to be a tough call and retirement might be the best way to finish up the relationship with some grace, and given him a day or two to come to that conclusion.
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While you have called Daman a liar and several other things.
When someone claims that I stated something that's untrue? That's telling a lie. That's what happenned. Not a very complicated situation. And there's no sense.....................
You guys really need to deal with it and move on. It's getting kind of stale at this juncture. Other than you two,I really don't see anyone dwelling on it. It is what it is.
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Yes, it's you breaking the rules and thinking you are above them. It is what it is....more personal attacks by you because you can't get people to say that your erroneous opinion is right. Nice picture, isn't that the same type of thing that Attack got suspended for when he did it to you?
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I think RAC is being criticised because he is black.
RAC is criticized because he is 11-24 since he took the job.
What Romeo needs to do to stay in Cleveland is win 7 or 8 games this season. It is year three, time for some progress in the win/loss column.
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For someone who berates, belittles and constantly prods people for no good reason you sure are worried about someone getting suspended. Perhaps you should worry more about the way you appear to others than to how others appear to you.
And save the reply. I've heard all your material a thousand times. It's way past old.
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Ok, first of all, it seems like you are equating the opinions of the board members to that of some expert level... which is a mistake... all "the majority of opinions" means on this board is that a couple select individuals made some comments and lots of others jumped in and agreed...
And I believe that pure lack of objectivity is in the foreground of many things on here.
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Maybe these people didn't watch the Steelers/Browns game or the Broncos/Raiders game... people felt that way because we were coming off the Cincy game and they had a moderately inflated view of the Browns... and they were using last season and preseason rankings to evaluate the Raiders... both of which are bad ideas.
Actually I was speaking of before our season ever began. Yes,there was a continuation of it in the game day forum. But I believe that if you recall,many of us saw the first five games as back breaking with the biggest ray of sunshine as the Raiders game. The "winnable" game out of the five. Yet we overachieved on O in the Cincy game due to "a moment of brilliance" for lack of a better term,on the part of DA,then came out flat the very next week to a team that appears quite inferior to Cincy.
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Outside of "Browns World" there was no overwhelming feeling that we SHOULD win this game...
So we're not to expect accountability and explanations from Browns fans who seem to live strictly in the "Browns world" of which you speak? Honestly DC,out of our first five games when objectively looking at our schedule, which stands out to you as appearing to be the most winnable?
I'm not sure if you're saying we are the worst team in the NFL or not. But if so,we have a MAJOR case of "Jekkyl and Hyde syndrome". I know we exceeded expecatations in the Cincy game. But just the opposite case reared its ugly head in the Raiders game. Thay are an extremly beatable team. We had the momentum coming out of the Cincy game and simply came out flat on both sides of the ball.
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Most were wrong... I haven't counted in the prediction thread this week but from what I have seen, about half are picking the Browns... does that mean we have a 50% chance of beating the Ravens?
As I said,before this season ever started,most of us,and rightfully so,felt the most winnable game of the first five was the Raiders game. And the win in Cincy only furthered that resolve because they had the motivation and momentum from beating a better team the week before.
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I'm yet to see our team not start the game with enthusiasm and play hard the whole game... just because something isn't working, doesn't mean the team is flat.
I would have to say we are percieving the same picture in two very different ways. Simply a matter of our seperate perceptions.
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No,I don't blame RAC for having to work with a generaly sub par QB for the time being. It's the mental break downs,consistant mistakes and lack of concentration on the part of this team that I feel he has to bare a great deal of the blame for however.
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Yes I did... but what I saw was a team that fell back into an old pattern of mistakes.. penalties, turnovers, etc.. drive killers, field position changers, points-giver-uppers... ... it has nothing to do with motivation.
Exactly what is it that you point to as the reason for this persistant pattern then?
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In the first half I saw BE make a remarkable catch tipping the ball to himself, I saw the defense make 2 goal line stands, I saw Cribbs run back a kickoff.... what I also saw was drive killing penalties and turnovers... none of which lead me to believe this team was lacking motivation or fire...
I too saw some bright spots by individual players and units. It wasn't all gloom and doom. But overall,once again,in the grand scheme of things,our perception of that game are vastly different.
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