Folks say Haslam is really high on Josh McDaniels and wanted to hire him last time before Joe Banner screwed it up and McDaniels pulled himself out of the running.
The hiring of Nick Caserio makes sense as that will pretty much guarantee McDaniels takes the job since his Gm will be someone he is very familiar with and will have no problem being on the same page with.
No way McDaniels and Dorsey marriage works not after McDaniels pulled out of the coaching job in Indy and screwed over Dorsey best in Ballard.
The more I look at this, the more I think Dorsey is gone.
Either we have Elliot Wolf & McCarthy, or we end up with Caserio & McDaniels.
As much as i'd like Caldwell to get a shot, it looks like one of these two marraiges are going to be what we got moving forward.
I think Haslam has already decided to part ways with both Dorsey and Kitchens, he just won't do so until a week or two after the season is over.
I would be stunned if Dorsey is let go. Seriously stunned.
I don't care who the GM is no GM is perfect. Impossible. Every GM in the NFL misses on players.
The logic behind the moves Dorsey made was sound. People talk about Zeitler for Vernon. Vernon has been hurt.He is a good player. Zeitler was due to make more and they drafted Corbett to play.
Ok Corbett was a miss. It happens.
Dorsey is a very good talent evaluator. ==============================================
The Lombardi speculation could possible be a president hire. It may also be total BS.
Well we all know how much Mike Lombardi loves the Browns now. I'm sure he knows all of the inner workings behind the scenes when it comes to the Browns.
That's what I mean about this place now. People will take any crazy Twitter rumor and run with it. Even when it makes zero sense.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
He is the chief strategy officer - his role has little to do with the day -to-day. Rather he created the framework that allowed us to tank / rebuild / compete ... layer in cutting edge data to help our football minds make better decisions and I have been nothing but happy with his role.
*I thought it was a mistake when he was caught on tape saying Wentz was not an elite QB (regardless if right or wrong).
*I don’t think it’s wrong that he offered a different take on Freddie - he has provided data on what the makeup of a Super Bowl level sustainable coach requires (Freddie does not fit that mold - if he sticks around I’ll wish him luck to prove that model wrong but I am glad we have depodestas voice in the room.
RE: Depodesta’s baseball journey post Oakland (I am a big dodger fan so this is where I wanted share with Diam that his opinion may be clouded) ... Depodesta came in as GM and reworked the roster and won the pennant (first time in 13 years) the following season (decimated by injuries) the dodgers sucked and he was fired (at the time part of the reason sited for firing was not being able to find the right coach / I say we still haven’t) .... but if you are honest and know the history Frank McCourt ruined everything.
In SD he was hired as an assistant in baseball operations - they won the wild card spot and eventually he was promoted to a Vice President.
In NY he was hired as a VP of player development and scouting. The Mets suck - full stop (sorry to any fans).
Depodesta has not been a GM since LA (he didn’t ruin multiple baseball teams)... he stays in his lane and now looks to provide egoless value to the Browns.
The Lombardi speculation could possible be a president hire. It may also be total BS.
Earlier I was going to post about Steelers' GM Kevin Colbert being in the final year of his contract there, and the fact that he is familiar with the Haslams from their time as minority owners in Pittsburgh. But then I realized that Colbert is a Pittsburgh guy from childhood, and would most likely never defect to the Browns. He would be the type I'd want to take over a role as President or CEO for the Haslams though, if he would come here
One last look at the pre-Week 17 hot seat Posted by Mike Florio on December 27, 2019, 8:56 PM EST
Like Black Friday, Black Monday now starts a day early. So when Sunday rolls around, who will be out?
Here’s a look at the candidates to be coaching elsewhere after the 2019 season ends for their respective teams.
Pat Shurmur, Giants: It’s being regarded as a given that Shurmur will be fired. The Giants haven’t said he’s safe, which means that he’s in danger, grave or otherwise. He’s done poorly in two years on the job, tying the team record for consecutive losses (nine) and winning fewer games than Ben McAdoo, who unlike Shurmur didn’t get to finish his second season. It would be a surprise if Shurmur stays put.
Freddie Kitchens, Browns: The experiment has gone poorly. But dysfunctional teams do dysfunctional things, and it would be no surprise if the Browns fail to admit their mistake and move on — like they did with Hue Jackson after 2016. And after 2017. The bigger challenge for the Browns comes from the lingering disagreements between G.M. John Dorsey and chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta regarding big-picture questions, like who the coach should be.
Doug Marrone, Jaguars: Some think that if he was going to go, he would have gone with Tom Coughlin. Others think Marrone remains in trouble. If the organization plans to give Gardner Minshew a chance to become the franchise quarterback, it makes sense to keep Marrone and G.M. Dave Caldwell around.
Jason Garrett, Cowboys: With a contract expiring when the season ends, Garrett’s tenure definitely ends if the Cowboys fail to make it to the playoffs. Even if they do, Garrett likely needs to get to the NFC title game to get a third contract, even though the Cowboys haven’t gotten that far since 1995.
Mike Zimmer, Vikings: His contract expires after the 2020 season, and there was a clear sense in league circles that failure to make the playoffs could prompt ownership to look elsewhere. So what if the Vikings flame out in the wild-card round? Zimmer could end up becoming the latest coach to enter the last year of his contract, a dynamic that has played out more and more frequently in recent years.
Anthony Lynn, Chargers: It seems like there’s a surprise firing or resignation every year. This year, league insiders are watching the Chargers. Lynn was 12-4 a year ago, but the Chargers have failed in 2019 — and they continue to fail to resonate in L.A. While Lynn doesn’t deserve it, it could be coming.
Dan Quinn is safe in Atlanta, Matt Patricia will return in Detroit, and Adam Gase will get a second season with the Jets. Another surprise (or two) can’t be ruled out; it could come from the Steelers letting Mike Tomlin head to Carolina (or Washington), the Saints allowing Sean Payton to coach the Cowboys, Bill Belichick handing the reins to his son, Steve, in New England, Andy Reid winning a Super Bowl and walking away, or some other unexpected development that currently isn’t on the radar screen. Whatever the outcome, two spots (Washington and Carolina) already are open, and several more inevitably will arise — starting Sunday.
Depo is still arounf and kicking.
Nobody seems to listen to him yet the players/coaches he puts forward don't get hired and do well elsewhere.
I wouldn't mind Jimmy listening to him more.
We have had a football guy...the guy who got us real players, and we are worse.
Maybe there is no such thing as a "football guy".
I am a football guy, even if not. I am also a baseball guy, even if just a little.
My point is picking players is pretty easy if you don't over think. Watch games, watch tape, pick the guy who wins match-ups.
Any moron can do that. Include me as a moron. I'd be the best GM in Browns history. Just big school guys until the 6th round. Then you can take a few flyer picks.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I’ve said all season dorsey has added shiny PLAYERS but did a horrible job building a team. He got rid of players from positions we didn’t have depth. He went against everyone including PD who didn’t want kitchens and the consensus was stefanski. So what these articles are telling me that dorsey is going against his scouts and advisors and the results are what they are and haslam rightfully needs to hold him accountable. PD is probably the safest guy in the FO. Dorsey has done a lot more than miss on Corbett. Really outside of drafting Chubb and last years mayfield . What talent in the draft has he gotten us?
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
Same response as reading your garbage. This is what people with low intellect do when they can’t debate.. figured you were smarter. Guess not
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
I'm actually surprised at all the love for Dorsey. He's the one who failed here. He's been awful here.
The plan was established 4 years ago. We were supposed to win this year. We did not. Dorsey hitched his wagon to Kitchens and the entire team underachieved.
I'm not advocating firing Dorsey, but as the owner you either give them another year and hope they improve or move on.
If Haslam is insisting on a new head coach and Dorsey is saying give Freddie more time. Well...you have to dismiss both.
I’ve said all season dorsey has added shiny PLAYERS but did a horrible job building a team. He got rid of players from positions we didn’t have depth. He went against everyone including PD who didn’t want kitchens and the consensus was stefanski. So what these articles are telling me that dorsey is going against his scouts and advisors and the results are what they are and haslam rightfully needs to hold him accountable. PD is probably the safest guy in the FO. Dorsey has done a lot more than miss on Corbett. Really outside of drafting Chubb and last years mayfield . What talent in the draft has he gotten us?
IF Dorsey is the person Lombardi is truly referencing, I have to think the biggest issue (among a few others) for Haslem is Dorsey wasting the owner's money on these ridiculously stupid contracts (either by trade or his own accord) for so many players that have underachieved. The list is way too long in just two years.
This was an issue in KC and, to me at least, is rearing its ugly head yet again.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
Quite honestly any GM would look like a upgrade Over what predated John Dorsey aka Sasha Brown Dorsey was let go in KC for a reason
Dorsey might be good at acquiring indidivual talent but he failed to build a good team as Browns GM. His draft record is shakey at best since coming On board. His really missed the boat on hiring Kitchens. Thats his biggest error. Failing on bringing in a head coach that Could produce instant results and positive locker Room culture
2020 - ??? 2019 - Fire Hue Jackson 2018 - Fire a bunch of coaches 2017 - Fire a bunch of coaches 2016 - Fire Ray Farmer and Mike Pettine 2015 - Kyle Shanahan's Powerpoint 2014 - Fire Chud, fire Lomabardi, fire Banner 2013 - Fire Holmgren, Heckert, and Shurmur 2012 - Nothing 2011 - Fire Mangini 2010/2009 - Fire George Kokinis 2009 - Fire Phil Savage and Romeo Crennel
Fair point. I would have a much more hard time firing say someone like Depodesta than Dorsey. Dorsey doesn't instill much confidence in my opinion.
I am not a huge John Dorsey fan. I don't think he is great at his job but I don't think he is bad either. Firing him would cause a huge amount of turmoil and I don't know if it's worth it. Our entire front office is filled with his guys and our entire coaching staff is filled with his guys.
Might come down to whether there's any strife in the Dorsey/Haslam relationship. Not sure any player personnel moves would get him canned. The Freddie issue could have or could yet cause some bad blood. I sure dont know how after watching this years crap show, these guys couldn't be on the same page there.
If you don't think we're going to win with Dorsey/Kitchens, then there's no need to stay the course.
Again, I'm not saying fire Kitchens and Dorsey. I don't know the answer. But I think it's easy to see that both have been bad since they've been put in the respective positions. Maybe next year is the year?
Matt Rhule at least needs to get an interview. I’ve always thought Ken Niumatalolo should get some NFL love, he seems to be a great leader. Matt Wells, who is now at Texas Tech, built Utah State into a pretty good program, I would take a look at him. Kyle Whittingham is a great coach at Utah. It might seem crazy but I would even look into Joe Brady the LSU offensive coordinator. I believe all of the above names are at least worth an interview. Innovation happens on the college level and these guys are all great leaders as well.
We all know the NFL names. They are obvious and everyone will interview for all the positions. Thinking outside the box is important in these circumstances.
Matt Rhule at least needs to get an interview. I’ve always thought Ken Niumatalolo should get some NFL love, he seems to be a great leader. Matt Wells, who is now at Texas Tech, built Utah State into a pretty good program, I would take a look at him. Kyle Whittingham is a great coach at Utah. It might seem crazy but I would even look into Joe Brady the LSU offensive coordinator. I believe all of the above names are at least worth an interview. Innovation happens on the college level and these guys are all great leaders as well.
We all know the NFL names. They are obvious and everyone will interview for all the positions. Thinking outside the box is important in these circumstances.
guys....i think we should keep freddie. take away all the hype that came during the offseason.
2nd year QB, first year as starter in training camp. rookie HC, new scheme, new players, tons of injuries/suspensions.
take away the hype....we would be atleast hopeful of the future with a rookie HC going 7-9 in his first season.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
bro we beat the bengals, steelers, and ravens in the same damn season. we went toe to toe with the rams, seahawks, and took a fluke fumble game by chubb to lose to the patriots.
we also beat a playoff team in the bills, which means if the steelers somehow sneak into the playoffs, thats 3 playoff teams that we beat this season.
as crap as freddie's offense has looked in its first year, under Freddie, we will potentially have our running back bringing the rushing title to cleveland, and we are 46 receiving yards from OBJ away from having TWO 1000 yard receivers in the same season. Baker mayfield, with all his problems this season, is gonna put together consecutive seasons throwing over 3500 yards.
we actually have a QB that started all 16 games.
when is the last time Those things happened on this team?
there is a lot of things freddie can improve on. but thats the thing.....he's a first year HC and literally everything we complain about is things that can be corrected fairly easily.
i just.......it got so negative with all the hype, we really did lose sight of the improvement that did happen on this team.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
and by the way, we are 20th in defensive yards per game with 361 and points per game at 24.
last year we were ranked 30th in yards per game at 392 and 21st with 24.5.
we also had a ton of injuries and suspensions on the defensive side of the ball THIS season, which means Wilks did BETTER than Williams as DC.
Freddie and Wilks arent going anywhere.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
It's just some of the things he never seemed to address or improve on or figure out. He insists on 3rd and short and goal line empty backfield. Everyone from dawg posters, announcers and halftime analysts said it all season. Time management, penalties, players blowing up on the sideline. All that you said I really do understand those arguments for him. All the things that a guy should either figure out or listen to advice just kill it for me.
I listen to a lot of sports radio while driving, and they all talk about the Browns. There isn't a soul that thinks the Freddy experiment is anything but a complete failure.
And into the forest I go, to lose my mind and find my soul. - John Muir
guys....i think we should keep freddie. take away all the hype that came during the offseason.
2nd year QB, first year as starter in training camp. rookie HC, new scheme, new players, tons of injuries/suspensions.
take away the hype....we would be atleast hopeful of the future with a rookie HC going 7-9 in his first season.
Except it's going to be 6-10 and the most important player on the team took a huge step back.
Too much bad to "hope" Freddie will improve. It's too big of a gamble.
He would probably endorse Baker not getting help in the off season also. Baker more than anyone else needs an adult to guide him in the worst way. Guy is half a season away from officially becoming a bust. You just can't take a chance on Kitchens after that.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
hey i dont really like his play calling that much either, and i complain with the best of them about it, especially during gameday chat.
but while looking at the game on sundays with tunnel vision, we all have to take a step back and look at the overall body of work.
and when i look at how the overall season played out....we all know it couldve been waaaaaay worse. yea, the bar might be low, but ill take 7-9 over those mangini, shurmur, and hue jackson days.
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
“To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public.”
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