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the best the front office can hire as an experienced HC would be Chuck Pagano or Jim Caldwell, IMO.

So what we want but that team up lead to divisional titles and playoff births.

Who is chadp71?

Didn't get a chance to see the game today . Was he under a lot of pressure ? Did we run enough , or was Chubb just shut down ?

JD and Nick Caserio would still work for me.

I guess I don't know hwo will take the job with Dorsey still holding the Rains ..

Bro, a lil bit of all of the above. We tried running but after the first drive, cincy’s front 7 manhandled ours.

He was under pressure, but also had clean pockets to throw in as well and just....I dunno.

Like most games, we start out hot first drive......and just die out like an old motor for the rest of the game.

I'll tell you this...considering the bengals oline was perhaps the worst (debatable with dolphins) they looked world better than our Oline today...absolutely ugly performance from our Oline.

Swish, both OBJ and Landry were so much better than the Cincy Cb's it is just amazing how we lost this game.

Also too many WTF throws... He just does not play well under pressure, mental pressure, and he clearly does not know how to read a D.

Got it , thanks .. Now it's time to take my meds ..lol

They’re better than most secondaries around the league, even with their current injuries.

Imagine what they could’ve put up being healthy with a competent QB and HC.

Was watching today's game, and the talent difference was amazing... how can anyone lose this game.

OBJ and Landry were balling... man those two must be really frustrated by now.

Seems like every year it’s the same conversations about talent and coaching. A lot of teams have proven it can be turned around fast. I say screw continuity for the sake of. Keep firing until you get the right one. We don’t want another Hue where they get even worse the second year . I don’t think dorsey or kitchens is safe. Dorsey went against the FO and pulled rank for kitchens. He’s going to have to answer for that. Both have to answer why we have a worse record than last year with an interim coach

Now THERE is a metric to measure "going forward" with! And with today's loss to the Ben-Gals, we showed putrid effort and tackling. Made them look like champeens. Just how low a bar demands FK be kept? This offensive line stunk, especially Robinson; how many "1-0" crappy rah-rah speeches do we need to give FK as he gets "experience" (read more losses and beatings)?

Baker has been marginal this year. Some of the stupid picks today were lousy throws, much deeper than needed. So many held sacks. He also is missing open guys on the outside and forcing it to shorter/shortest routes. He has gotten worse under FK IMO.

This bellyaching boils down to what we have seen "going forward" to build on. BM and FK have been major fails in losses and doing most of the talking. Just can't see another season or three of this. FK will be the next Hue or Marvelous Marv.

I think FK is gone, but I really think bringing in a vet QB that's legit enough to be a stop gap to challenge Baker might wake him up. I really think they need to bring in Zampese to be the QB coach again. I really think he's missed more than people realize. Lindley has no business coaching anything in the NFL, sure as hell not the most position on the field

I’ll just say that I hate, HATE! that we’re talking coaching change (and everything that comes with that) the minute the season ends. We are in desperate need of continuity. Buuuuut... Kitchens is not it. I had serious doubts before the season started and I’ve seen literally nothing that makes me think he’s even a mediocre head coach. I’m reliably against quick firing and change for change’s sake but he sucks. He’s not good and I don’t see that changing soon.

Unfortunately I just don’t think Haslam has it in him to create a high level organization. I don’t have a problem with Dorsey really but Haslam has been a part of so much whiffing on fundamental decisions that I just don’t trust they’re going to get it right as long he’s involved intimately in the process. Yes, I’ve read that Kitchens was Dorsey’s guy but Haslam doesn’t know enough that he may not be a good coaching picker.

I’ve been in big corporate C suites for 3 decades and can spot a garbage chief and Haslam has it written all over him. Companies run by involved bad chiefs almost never function well. It always seems like a mystery as to why, there are other qualified and competent people making decisions, it seems like it should work. But it just always mysteriously ends up on the rocks and until the top of the pyramid is good, it’ll be mired in dysfunction. They may get lucky for stretches but it’s going nowhere long term as long as he’s involved day to day. Sorry, just mho.

Maybe, maybe not.

Maybe nobody was open. You can only go through so many progressions before it looks like you are holding the ball and the rush is on you. I saw Baker run the ball more today that any other game. At least it seemed that way.

No he can't see it. He even throws to WR that are on the ground...

The screen pass to Hunt, where Hunt wasn't even looking, etc, etc.

He must read D's and know where the pressure is coming, he is not a rookie anymore.

The more you post the more your emotional and unfounded dislike of Baker shines through.

OBJ only wanted his bonus for 1000 yards and after that he basically walked off and quit - he did go back in the game but the camera clearly showed it. Landry and OBJ literally couldn't have looked more disinterested even after catches for 1st downs ..... and you think they were balling! LMAO.

Looks like it's Josh McDaniels job.

he literally took one play off and came back in...then scored a TD...yeah that OBJ is a Diva...2 1000 yard recievers..they did their part

listening to the interviews...not a single player stuck up to keep FK.. It was the whole "not my decision, whatever they do I'll support, etc" Freddie gone

I don't dismiss your points, but I don't think your takes are unbiased.

Baker said that when OBJ went off the field after the "1000 yard" play, he sat down and put a towel over his head, and threw up.

I have thought for a long time that McDaniels and Caserio would take over in New England after Belichick retired.

Those two would make a great duo although the whole thing with McDaniels backing out of the Colts job is going to give a lot of owners pause.

Impressive,I threw up during the 1st quarter.

Well if he threw up - the camera was up tight and on OBJ on the bench with his head under the towel. There was no sign of vomit - to me it looked like he was shouting under the towel. He may have vomited - but to be honest in today's day and age, that'd almost be impossible to do without someone catching it on film. Maybe that will show up (like the Richard Sherman handshake deal) ? Whether it was because he was ill or not - OBJ did not seem to be balling to me in any way shape or form. Even the commentators mentioned it MULTIPLE times how the WR's weren't hustling or trying.

I honestly don't understand this position. It was clear from the start that both OBJ and Landry were miles apart from any DB in talent... they caught all that Baker threw and beat systemically the CB's all game, but still Baker wouldn't throw the rock to them.

OBJ had some catches after the 1000 one, and even a TD...

How can someone that loves the game even put Baker and OBJ and Landry in the same sentence... If you can't handle talented players, you shouldn't be heading a team... stop blaming the good players we have.

You have 2 of the best receivers in the game and you are running the ball yourself on 3rd and long... and you can't even run it...

What, because you didn't see chunks he didn't throw up? Doesn't your head bob up and down when you puke? Geez, you guys really should take a look in the mirror at some of the crap you post....LMFAO

If McDaniels wants the job as bad as is being reported (Dee also wants him and I trust her more than her husband) then that somewhat restores my faith in Baker. I'm pretty sure McDaniels was high on Baker coming out of the draft.

McCarthy or BUST!

This gives me hope.

The Patriots were ready to trade up to #2 for Baker.

I would rather have McCarthy....Much better track record!

Turn the mirror bub.

I could easily be wrong about OBJ throwing up. No worries about that. AS I said - pretty hard to think of some guy spewing on the siudelines and it not being caught on film by someone - but it's possible. I said that.

The POINT was that OBJ and Landry were not BALLING as claimed by the poster. They were so NOT balling that the commentator on at least 4 occasions made reference to the lack of effort by the WR's to get open.

Hey - but knock yourself out if you want to send personal attacks.

I wonder if Condi Rice is still on the short list?

Robert Smith was calling out OBJ and Landry all game long for effort.

OBJ was vomiting on the sideline because he was sick.