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We’ll get some news in the next day or so IMO ... and I have a feeling Kitchens will be gone, and if Dorsey protests it he’ll be gone too
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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We’ll get some news in the next day or so IMO ... and I have a feeling Kitchens will be gone, and if Dorsey protests it he’ll be gone too Shocker ... u having negative thoughts ... Firing KJ at this point would be even dumber than hiring Sashi or firing Chud was ... at least it would clear up for me what his dumbest move has been ... *L* ... I really hope we keep Freddie just to watch the boards cumulative head explode ...
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I really hope we keep Freddie just to watch the boards cumulative head explode ... So, you'd rather keep a bumbling incompetent coach so you could see people get mad? If that happens, you'll have to reroute your fantasy cruise to Nashville for a new season of Hee Haw. Featuring season two of Junior Samples coaching the Browns.
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... dumber than hiring Sashi ... HEY! You trying to hurt my feelings...?
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U got sumptin against Hee Haw ... i liked petticoat junction way more but Hee Haw had its moments ... they were both way better than the Lawrence Welk show ... yew ... *L* ... I don’t think he’s near as bad as the overreacting, over emotional mob u seem to be a part of ... sorry I don’t agree and have a different view than U and the rest of the lynch mob ... And I will take great joy in watching all your heads explode if he stays on ... i just wish i could see the mess ... *L* ... y’all have gotten so over emotional some now think KJ should go ... one poster I respect just posted that KJ has STUNK so far ... the facts just don’t bare that out ... My take on Freddie .... If Freddie lost the LR he should be gone all ready and will be toot sweet after the final whistle today ... If he still has the respect of the players I prefer to keep him ... its not fair to give someone one year ... y’all are way to emotional and he entrenched himself at the head of the scapegoat line .... If we get rid of him I’ll be fine with it even though I think it would be unfair to him ... there’s been that much negative and hard headedness that I won’t say a peep .... If we keep him I’m gonna *LMAO* at the picture in my head of the mess y’all are gonna create from the exploding heads ...
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JOSH MCDANIELS C, NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS
NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Panthers "hope" to speak with Patriots OC Josh McDaniels about their coaching vacancy.
Still in search of a replacement for Ron Rivera, the Panthers have already met twice with former Packers coach Mike McCarthy and are also hoping for sit-downs with McDaniels and Baylor coach Matt Rhule. McDaniels fared disastrously in his first head-coaching stint with Denver nearly a decade ago and famously left Indy at the altar in 2018. Even with those red flags to answer for, McDaniels continues to draw widespread interest. Maybe McDaniels envisions himself as Bill Belichick's eventual successor or perhaps Tom Brady's decline has him thinking of a future outside New England. Either way, the 43-year-old will certainly be a name to monitor as the coaching carousel kicks into high gear.
RELATED: Carolina Panthers SOURCE: Ian Rapoport on Twitter Dec 29, 2019, 8:24 AM ET
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https://sports.yahoo.com/john-dorsey-not-completely-safe-153223722.htmlJohn Dorsey is “not completely safe” in Cleveland ProFootball Talk on NBC Sports Mike Florio ProFootball Talk on NBC SportsDec 29, 2019, 10:32 AM As the Browns prepare, by all appearances and indications, to part ways with coach Freddie Kitchens as soon as tonight, the question becomes whether that will be the end or the beginning. Questions have emerged regarding the status of G.M. John Dorsey. As one source with knowledge of the dynamics in Cleveland explained it to PFT on Sunday morning, Dorsey is “not completely safe.” On one hand, the firing of Dorsey would be a surprise, and unwarranted. Dorsey arrived during the 2017 season, and he promptly began infusing talent into the organization. Remember the rash of trades in early 2018, which showed that the Browns were serious about turning things around? Then, Dorseys’ decision to pounce on quarterback Baker Mayfield with the first pick in the 2018 draft was viewed as a stroke of genius; Dorsey also added cornerback Denzel Ward four picks later and, one round later, likely 2019 rushing champion Nick Chubb. Earlier this year, Dorsey finagled a trade for gamebreaking receiver Odell Beckham Jr., which created even more excitement in the aftermath of last year’s 7-8-1 record. Dorsey also rolled the dice on 2017 rushing champion Kareem Hunt, who became available after last year’s off-field ugliness prompted the Chiefs to cut him loose. But with the good comes the not-so-good. Dorsey is believed to have been the driving force behind bringing offensive coordinator Todd Haley to town in 2018, over the objection of former head coach Hue Jackson, who wanted to continue to be his own offensive coordinator. It didn’t work out, spectacularly. Then, Dorsey was the guy who wanted to make Kitchens the head coach, even though he hadn’t been groomed for the gig. It hasn’t worked out, somewhat spectacularly. Despite Mayfield’s strong performance as a rookie, his regression in 2019 coincided with the rise of Lamar Jackson, a budding superstar whom the Browns easily could have had in 2018, given the cluster of picks in the first two rounds. It’s not a stretch to think that Jimmy or Dee Haslam have raised the question, subtly or otherwise, as to whether Dorsey considered Lamar Jackson instead of Mayfield, especially since Jackson has become the league MVP with the team that used to be the Browns. Dorsey was still the G.M. in Kansas City when the Chiefs traded up to get Patrick Mahomes; it’s natural to wonder what Dorsey saw, or didn’t see, in Jackson. It’s also natural to wonder whether the 2018 or 2019 version of Baker Mayfield will be the version of Baker Mayfield in 2020, and beyond. Then there’s the Beckham trade, which sold tickets and jerseys but didn’t produce results. The Beckham move ultimately calls into question Dorsey’s team-building skills. The Browns have talented players, but who are the leaders? Who are holding people accountable? How do the strong personalities fit together? Who is grooming Baker Mayfield, getting him to properly direct his intense competitiveness in the right direction, while avoiding some of the issues that arise from time to time? The X factor in the final analysis could be chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta. At one point during the season, rumors were swirling that DePodesta could be bumped ahead of Dorsey on the pecking order. That didn’t happen. Recently, however, a league source suggested that, if DePodesta were willing to relocate on a full-time basis to Cleveland, DePodesta would have a much larger role in the organization. DePodesta’s influence becomes a more significant consideration, for now. With two years’ worth of fodder for “I told you so,” the Haslams could decide that the next best thing to DePodesta calling the shots on a full-time basis would be hiring a G.M. that DePodesta hand selects. Again, this doesn’t mean Dorsey will be out. He may get another year, or more. But as the source said there’s a chance that ownership will decide not only to change coaches but also to change General Managers when the dust soon settles on the 2019 season.
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I really hope we keep Freddie just to watch the boards cumulative head explode ... So, you'd rather keep a bumbling incompetent coach so you could see people get mad? If that happens, you'll have to reroute your fantasy cruise to Nashville for a new season of Hee Haw. Featuring season two of Junior Samples coaching the Browns. Hey...I liked Hee Haw, and liked Junior. Classic stuff, man. Find another comparison.
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He obviously knows nothing about Nashville either. One of the most up and coming cities in the nation.
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Diam, my post was based off reports of FK and JD being “discussed” as terminated
"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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In the industry I work in we often joke about certain titles being setup to be the scape goat - in the NFL - Coach, GM are like that.
If I was Haslem and Depodesta I would be worried about this narrative out there:
"DePodesta’s influence becomes a more significant consideration, for now. With two years’ worth of fodder for “I told you so,” the Haslams could decide that the next best thing to DePodesta calling the shots on a full-time basis would be hiring a G.M. that DePodesta hand selects."
While we are having growing pains I think there has been some stability created in the way business is done from the facilities, scouting, nutrition etc etc etc (seems we still need to get better about the health and wellness of players but the whole NFL is playing catchup)
Stretching Depodesta more into the day to day puts him on the chopping block and may be promoting him to the level of incompetence (this would stink since I think he is successful as is now). I think the strategy department should stay agnostic.
If Haslem wants an EVP of Football Operations to represent both the GM and Coaching (or a coach that represents that by himself) … Good Luck, but that could be why all the rumors.
I think the structure should stay as is (at least my understanding of it); Haslem has three primary direct reports:
Dorsey - GM (I like you buddy but you know the way the NFL works, good people/ doing a good job get fired)
Depodesta - CSO Strategy (I think we really do have one of the best in the business, but be careful - stay in your lane)
Jenkins - running the business side I don't really care what stuffed suit does this -- I would just tell them to watch out for Jimmy and his underhanded biz practices;-)
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He obviously knows nothing about Nashville either. One of the most up and coming cities in the nation. What are you talking about? I didn't insult Nashville. I've been there and like the place.
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If that happens, you'll have to reroute your fantasy cruise to Nashville for a new season of Hee Haw. Maybe I misunderstood but this didn't seem to be complimentary.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Hee Haw was filmed there, that's all.
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Nashville - Where embroidery and whiskey first met.
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And good jobs attract all the northerners that no longer have any.
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And good jobs attract all the northerners that no longer have any. All kinds of jobs available around here, heck we can't get enough people where I work and we pay $20-$25 an hour with very good benefits.
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And good jobs attract all the northerners that no longer have any. All kinds of jobs available around here, heck we can't get enough people where I work and we pay $20-$25 an hour with very good benefits. Would you be willing/able to share WHY the place you work can't get the employees?
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Lack of a work force and too may of the younger generation are surprised that they actually have to do something to get a pay check so turn over rate is high. They think they can come in and do nothing and get top out pay right away. We employ over 1,300 people just on the shop floor.
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Thanks. I figured it was that, or drug testing.
Where my wife works, they're constantly hiring. They use a temp agency. A temp needs to work 60 days before being hired by the company, full time.
Here's how sad the temps are: Wife overheard her bosses boss make this statement: "Well, looks like we got a good temp in "X". She worked 40 hours her first week."
I looked at my wife and just said "THAT, working 40 hours, is considered a GOOD worker?"
The lady's 2nd week, she worked 35 hours, 3rd week she only made it in for 24 hours. She's no longer employed there.
But the point is, a bosses boss was impressed at a temp actually putting in 40 hours the first week. That says a LOT.
Between not being able to pass a drug test, and not having a work ethic, jobs are going unfulfilled.
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Yeah, its like that at our place too, we don't bring that many temps in anymore but just a couple of years ago we had temps who would miss multiple days in their first 90 days yet we would hire them in anyways then 3 months later fire them because they kept missing work. We've also been rehiring people we've fired, that's how desperate we are.
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Yeah, its like that at our place too, we don't bring that many temps in anymore but just a couple of years ago we had temps who would miss multiple days in their first 90 days yet we would hire them in anyways then 3 months later fire them because they kept missing work. We've also been rehiring people we've fired, that's how desperate we are. start a thread about it,you two can discuss the decline of the American worker there. What about that Gruden that got canned in DC? his teams seemed to be disciplined and played hard.Didn't have much talent.
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Changing coaches every year is the mark of a loser.
Freddie did not have the best year, but 1 and done would be brutal.
There will be no playoffs. Can’t play with who we have out there and compounding it with garbage playcalling and worse execution. We don’t have good skill players on offense period. Browns 20 - Bears 17.
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Browns had: -the leading rusher in the NFL -two 1,000 yard receivers
Lost ten times
this is definitely the HC's fault.
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He obviously knows nothing about Nashville either. One of the most up and coming cities in the nation. Nashville rocks, just like the rest of the state. You need to come to Chattanooga....we rock as well. Chattanooga has turned in to a great place to live.
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I keep reading comments.....time to quit putting down Tennessee....I have lived here for over 40 years. It's a great state and great place to live
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"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Do we get McCarthy this year?
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So as of 12/29/2019 Pacific time the Browns, Panthers, and Washington need a head coach. Dallas, Jacksonville, and the Giants will need a new head coach some point in the next couple of days.
I say the Panthers hire Greg Roman, Washington Ron Rivera, Dallas Matt Rhule, Jacksonville Mike McCarthy, Giants Kevin Stefanski.
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That leaves us with NOTHING.
Might as well rehire Freddie.
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well who does that leave us with? brian daboll?
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That leaves us with NOTHING. Shocking.
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So as of 12/29/2019 Pacific time the Browns, Panthers, and Washington need a head coach. Dallas, Jacksonville, and the Giants will need a new head coach some point in the next couple of days.
I say the Panthers hire Greg Roman, Washington Ron Rivera, Dallas Matt Rhule, Jacksonville Mike McCarthy, Giants Kevin Stefanski. If you have those all correct I'll buy you a bottle of scotch.
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So as of 12/29/2019 Pacific time the Browns, Panthers, and Washington need a head coach. Dallas, Jacksonville, and the Giants will need a new head coach some point in the next couple of days.
I say the Panthers hire Greg Roman, Washington Ron Rivera, Dallas Matt Rhule, Jacksonville Mike McCarthy, Giants Kevin Stefanski. If you have those all correct I'll buy you a bottle of scotch. I 100% will not have them all correct but I'd put money on Washington and Dallas. I didn't know what to do with Mike McCarthy so I just stuck him with Jacksonville. Same with Stefanski and the Giants. Roman to the Panthers makes sense if they want to keep Cam Newton. I also wouldn't be shocked if the Cowboys went completely outside the box and hired someone like Jason Witten as their head coach.
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