DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Browns fire Freddie Kitchens

Because they would expect that, and we can outsmart everyone else with our overly effective play calling. Give them time to get settled, while drawing them into our trap. We are brown and orange, we will tackle our way to prosperity. Miscreants, all of them.

Damn the obvious, full steam ahead!

To me, Wilkes was so Jekyll and Hyde this year. Guy deserves all the props in the world for his defenses when our entire damn starting secondary was injured, but then he had the AZ, Denver, and Pitt games. That, and the defense just kinda rolled over, in general, down the stretch. They made Dalton look like Mahommes.

At the end of the day, I think he gets a 'fail' from me. Our D was never as dominant as they should've been. Vernon not gaining any momentum before getting injured worked against him, and Garrett v Pitt worked against him, but our D was a major disappointment in a year where they should've carried the team. I feel Wilkes scheme was solid, as it highlighted our talent (stout Dline with a talented-if-raw secondary) and minimized our LBs. So his idea for the D was solid, IMO... but it just didn't happen for some reason.

Looking at just the numbers, Freddie was miles ahead of Hue Jackson...

I'm sorry to see Freddie fired,, I had hopes for him. I like him as a human being a lot and was rooting for him success..

Oh well, off to the next search..

Mike McCarthy maybe...

Looking at the games they managed / coached - it is not so clear cut.

I didn’t say he wasn’t a great leader. In fact I said he emerged as one at the end of last season.

I also pointed out the fact that he wasn’t that leader for 16 games this season. Getting involved with OBJ and his shoes nonsense, publicly getting in to it with coaches for whatever reason... that’s not a demonstration of leadership. That is someone taking advantage of weak leadership, not stepping in to fill the void.

I remember reading somewhere not too long ago that we led the NFL in blitzing this year.

Freddie was worse than Hue
Hue had zero talent to work with
He had garbage at QB. Who were the WRs when
Hue was here ....Ricardo Louis...he was a joke
Ranell Hall...another joke...
Kitchens had such a abundence of talent
To work with
But turned out to be a combo of Barney Fife
And Eb from Green Acres

Throw in some Hank Kimball, County Commisioner aslo!

Your are right !!
I guess that makes Dorsey Mr.Haney

Are we showing our age?

Sam Drucker.

Arnold the Pig could have coached this team better with Mr.Ziffel in the press box

Sorry,no.I do believe Arnold was part of my T-Giving feast last year.

Oh my....

Things will continue to spew out now of course

If so...good riddance.

Maybe that’s why we looked good most first drives and then trash.

So this went on and on for 17 games and its possible Dorsey never stepped in to question it? Surely these guys met on occasion to discuss football?! Dorsey never went to the OC or vice versa?!

And people are upset these nitwits are going bye bye?

Didn't take him long to contract Hue Jackson's Disease.

I said the other day, At worst FK hands the playcalling to Monken and he gets atleast another season. He could have said he was going to take the playcalling over and then fired monken in offseason.. Problem with that theory and I'm sure the real reason is ego, had FK turned the playcalling over and they were all of sudden successful, then he would have looked incompetent. I have no doubt with Monken calling the plays we probably win another 2-3 games. Monken was not the problem, he knows how to call plays. He had the best passing offense in NFL last year with freaking Winston, Evans and no run game

Another sad chapter closed. Who knows where we'd be in the playoffs this year but I believe we'd be in them. Fred, Fred, Fred...you seemed so normal.

Todd Monken has the story we want to hear. That'll tell us most of what we need to know about this fiasco of s season.

https://www.rotoworld.com/football/nfl/player/12099/todd-monken


...it gets better...

As much as football players talk about being in a brotherhood... it definitely doesn't seem like that same sentiment is shared amongst the coaching realm.

Monken is essentially doing things I'd expect Todd Haley to do. I think we all as fans said hey, Kitchens is inexperienced, bringing Monken in will help groom him. Doesn't seem like one slick of grooming was done. Now the biggest question is why. There should be some sort of check and balance to make sure that happens. Ridiculous.

This is why we need a seasoned previous HC that has experience. Head coaches not only have to gain respect from the players, but also their coaches. If that respect isn't there, we're doomed from the very beginning.

wait....they dont do those anymore?

I have to call BS on that.

I guess with that nonsensical logic, then the Marines should have lost every battle they ever fought

This is Chopz

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Everyone is a journalist now.

What??? Intense practices? Give me a break. What a bunch of babies. Get some MEN in Cleveland to play professional football. Go shoot some commercials or try modeling as a career you divas. LMFAO #dumpsterfire

Just buy a few followers and you're well on your way to self-importance.

https://howsociable.com/buy-twitter-followers/

This is some kid on Twitter with less than 15,000 followers. Browns fans have probably doubled the number of people following this story because silly crap draws attention on Twitter.

That, and there seems to be a shorage former players (talking heads) to give commentary on sports media of late.

The lines between reality and fantasy have become blurred in the minset of many a young fan.

There is nothing inherently wrong with fantasy football and or playing Madden ... they just need to be kept in their respective paradox imo.

Because it does not make one an authoritative voice on what's acctually real.

It only serves to show their ignorance.

In this instance, the person who tweeted this is irrelevant. If people watched an ESPN show today that included Josina Anderson, she said this very thing on live television in a segment about the Cleveland Browns HC search.

The greater issue is the players saying this, which I think is a joke. They were practiced too hard? Just seems like proactive plea to "take it easy on us coach" come summer time.

If I recall correctly, the person she references the most is Odell Beckham, so I wouldn't be surprised if he said this to her.

Hmmm I wonder what Vince Lombardi would say to that ...

It makes for hilarious reading to go back and read all the praise Freddie recieved in here. Even after the Myles incident and he wore that t-shirt. People in this very forum posted things like "he's one of us" and were celebrating his brashness.

Meanwhile on the field he couldn't figure it out from week 1 to week 17, his pressers sounded like Jed Clampett and on Monday, Dec. 30th, the players were saying how much they needed "leadership" and a "smart coach". Even Haslam, who has brought nothing but instability since 2012 cited those attributes in his presser.

Freddie is a guy you would like to have a drink with, but he was out coached and outsmarted every step of the way and the fact that he was given the keys of a ferrari with high octane talent was just pure stupidity. No wonder he returned it to Daddy totaled.

Almost everyone wanted Freddie to succeed, but as the year wore on and the cliches’ grew old and tired, so did his play calling. If you ain’t wearing brown and orange you don’t matter was a good battle cry, until it began to mean if you ain’t wearing brown and orange you’re probably trying harder and winning.

We made excuses because we wanted to believe our losing streak was over. We hung in there as long as we could, but when it was inevitable we were losers yet again, we all knew it had to end. Reality was not the elation we anticipated but one we had to accept, like the castor oil your mother made you take as a kid.

We may have been wrong, but damnit, we opened our cold hearts and tried!