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Not really surprised at all by this.

You could see the writing on the wall, b/t reports from Schefter saying the new coach would have input on the GM staying or going, the cancelled press conference and other reports.

Looks like DePo will have a larger voice.

We'll see how this all plays out.

I don't think this necessarily true in every case. It depends, really. The value assigned to the available player and his perceived position value or lack thereof vs. the value of the return via trade.

I think current team composition makes a difference as well.

But IF DePo in charge is very much a thing up the air. I would not be surprised if his role stays the same.

Good time to become a Las Vegas Raiders fan I guess.

I think his TITLE is staying the same, but he will have more of a voice in picking the GM and Coach.

I guess there's nothing to be said for experience.
The excuses for failing will be plentiful.

only question in HC interview will open ended: "How do you feel about analytics and predictive analytics and the application in picking players and coaching players and developing gameplans

Outside of Garrett, Who is better than Mayfield, Ward and Chubb from the draft and better than Landry and some Dbacks and maybe even Vernon (had he stayed healthy) and OBJ (again, if he'd have remained healthy)

I really don't think you can argue with the talent Dorsey has brought aboard...

I haven’t watched coach, FO, or player pressers for years now. I’m so glad I stopped investing any time into what any of them have to say.
Later today, or in the coming days, a desk full of talking stuffed suits will be sitting in front of the press and answering the same questions, the same way all the last stuffed suits have since 1999.
At this point we as fans should not listen/watch, let alone let them speak without actions on the field represent something worth being spoken about. Press blackout. Bunch of nonsense circle jerk talk anyway.

Big moves, although a shot in the arm (kinda like over spending in FA), rarely work out in end. It's starts with guys like Andre Risen, Mike Holmgren, and recently Odell Beckham (at least so far).

Agreed. I'm not going to be too critical of the player acquisitions Dorsey made because I think it's too easy when viewing through hindsight.

But I think it's wholly possible to be great at recognizing and acquiring talent, but not being able to make it a cohesive unit. For example, I can fire up the latest Madden edition, create a roster full of 99's... but I still can't play the game worth a crap.

talking about draft...problem is each had different roles...Sashi was told to tear it down and acquire assets in which to rebuild it from the ground up..he did that. Dorsey was supposed to build a winner, he was given massive amount of assets and squandered almost all of them. Not a single draft pick this season scored about 60's Thats a huge issue...Mack Wilson scored a 42, Even from last year, only 3 players this year scored above 60. All the players he brought in this by trading picks for all scored below 60 and are deemed replaceable by PFF...i know not a complete picture, but my point is Dorsey didn't bring in nearly as much talent as people think..brought in some high dollar artisan bread and stuck spam between them

If you are asking the fans to be excited about a baseball guy, a rookie GM, and a rookie HC, then I'm sorry, I call that having a tin ear with regards to customer relations. At some point, there will be no getting some of those customers back.

This is what immediately came to mind after I read the Haslam's statement. Promoting Wolf from within probably isn't a bad idea for a couple of reasons: first, I think a fair number of people thought he was about ready for a GM gig anyway when we brought him on board.. second, he's been here long enough to know what they are trying to do under DePo's structure. The key here would be whether or not he was on board or was resistant.

I don't know what the feelings between Wolf and McCarthy are. EVen if they are lukewarm it doesn't mean they can't work together. Especially if we assume Wolf is on board with DePo's structure AND if McCarthy has really been looking more in to the analytical side of things (I think we can presume the personnel he has been putting together are along that track) they may actually be more on the same page than they ever were.

Kind of like when Dorsey leaked this just before the final Browns vs Bengals game?....

But what's it say if the "baseball guy" is turning out to be correct more often than the "football guys"?

Gross I just tweeted that it won’t be McDaniels

If Grossi said this, then it's DEFINITELY McDaniels.

He doesn't have a clue. Throwing darts.

That's not a leak. Its a reply to a direct question by the GM of an organization in which he allowed full attribution. None of this "sources inside the organization" BS.

But Eve, he didn't. He made some good moves and a lot of bad moves. I for one think OBJ was a bad move.

In the end all was good until John hired Freddie Kitchens.

I agree, we should have won last(this) year, but we didn't. Mainly because of the coaching hire Dorsey made last season.

I do feel bad for John and liked him. Had he got that pick even close to right, it would be a different discussion. He didn't. It was about as bad a pick as he could have made unless he pulled up a season ticket members account number and named them head coach. Well, unless he pulled up mine....jk

There seems to be no plan or cohesiveness. Just power struggles and knee jerk reactions by the Haslams. I wouldn't want to be the next GM knowing I only have two years to turn a losing franchise into a winner or I'm out the door.

Why is he a baseball guy? Why can't he be a smart guy that made analytics in baseball relevant because baseball did it first?

I honestly think the "I flexed my muscles and got what I wanted" brag rubbed people the wrong way, especially when Freddie's production was so bad. Dorsey wanted power and people who would jump when he said jump and act as though anything he said was a mandate from God.

Dorsey was so linked to Freddie that when the season went south, so did Dorsey's credibility. That is why the Haslam's required a reduced role for Dorsey. It doesn't matter who you pick, if you don't win, you don't keep your job.

Sounds like Dorsey wasn't happy with the front office restructuring and his reduced role and agreed to part ways with the Browns. I really don't blame him.

It shouldn't have been a losing team this year. After last years hire of Freddie, no way the Haslams could simply say go hire another coach.

I don't think the Haslams fired John. I think they were going to change things and both sides decided it best to come to terms on a severance.

Eh, our GM was leaking stuff to the media. Turns out he had bad info!

I think that's why the new tandem will come together from somewhere or are already familiar and have no doubt they cam work together.

Lamar Jackson > Josh Allen > Sam Darnold > Baker Mayfield

The above is probably a reason why John Dorsey no longer has a job.

That would be an opinion, not necessarily a fact.

I think he would've turned the Browns into winners if they had just given him more time.

I agree

I agree. He wasn't a baseball guy, before he was a baseball guy.

In the end, people are afraid of things they don't understand.

There was a time when computers were deemed the end.

Actually, I will argue my own point. When the lights go out, how many people are going to be able to do the math, etc with a pencil and paper?

It won't take long for the world's knowledge to be lost. We are back to hunter/gatherers.

More likely McCarthy … JMO

This really gets me depressed. I'll just turn myself back into the casual observer i was from 2012 -2017. I'm back to not caring if they win or lose.

Now we have to endure another roster turnover with a new regime. I'm so tired of it. I'm definitely taking up a new hobby next fall.

I personally don't believe this to be true. Clearly, Jackson has skyrocketed into stardom. But I don't think the above ...Allen and Darnold ranking ,relative to Baker, are a reason for the decision.

Baker regressed, no doubt. I still think Baker has 'it' and if, in the end, Baker thrives as a franchise QB, Dorsey should get all the credit.

Dorsey was fired because he wasted money in FA, punted guys that weren't his own acquisitions, well, just because & it effected starting caliber/depth, misused extra draft capital that he was gifted, and he hired Kitchens.

It's that simple, at least for me.

I'd say IF wolf stays or gets promoted to GM.

Trading a fairly solid line away and drafting manure started it for me. You just cant do that.