John 3:16 Jesus said "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life."
I'm trying to be more open minded and not judge his past. Going to let the FO decide who they like. I just hope its a fair and productive search
I don't know who will be successful and who wont but to automatically think a guy never reflects on his past and examines his shortcomings is pure foolishness especially in this business. All these guys have warts whether known or unknown.
Some of my concerns (and not an outright "I don't want him" stance) is that he failed as a HC his first time around and wanted control of player personnel decisions. Now, he wants to bring over (allegedly) his own GM and in a way that's kind of the same thing, especially if he can control/trump him. I immediately think of Mangini and Kokinos. Plus, I'll go back and look at the Patriots' draft these past few years, but I don't think it has been much to write home about, but I also know Belichek is a huge influence in those matters (which I'm guessing McDaniels want to mimic again). I'm just not sure what we're getting in all of this Patriots' stuff.
At DT, context and meaning are a scarecrow kicking at moving goalposts.
I think the time is right. He certainly has seen and called plays in Big Time games. I won't look at things that happened in Denver 10 years ago when he was the youngest coach in the league. He wasn't ready, he took his lumps, and moved on. This was a learning experience. I think he is a different guy at 43 and is clearly in demand because he is a top coordinator. I can say I would be fine with us hiring him.
Hire McCarthy. Hire McDaniels. Get your hire. This race to see how many you can interview has screwed us before. Hopefully the hire will magnetize other improvements. Doesn't strike me that you know what you want if you keep looking. And if it all comes down to who the Haslams have a shine for and the homeless guy OKs it, get on with it.
"Every responsibility implies opportunity, and every opportunity implies responsibility." Otis Allen Glazebrook, 1880
Some of my concerns (and not an outright "I don't want him" stance) is that he failed as a HC his first time around and wanted control of player personnel decisions. Now, he wants to bring over (allegedly) his own GM and in a way that's kind of the same thing, especially if he can control/trump him. I immediately think of Mangini and Kokinos. Plus, I'll go back and look at the Patriots' draft these past few years, but I don't think it has been much to write home about, but I also know Belichek is a huge influence in those matters (which I'm guessing McDaniels want to mimic again). I'm just not sure what we're getting in all of this Patriots' stuff.
Then he went to Indianapolis, a verbal commitment was made. He could not sign a contract because the Patriots were still in the playoffs. He told them the staff he wanted, the staff was hired. Then after pretty much all decent available coaches were hired, and Indianapolis had set up everything McDaniels wanted, he reneged on his commitment, to stay in New England. Someone's word is his bond; McDaniels has no honor.
Someone who would do that, is not someone I want coaching the team I think of as mine.
The Cleveland Browns - WE KNOW QUARTERBACKS ( Look at how many we've had ... )
There is more rational hate for McDaniels than those who hate Baker.
I don't like the word Hate.. I really feel unless your Charles Manson most people don't hate..
I dislike and not fond of hate.. Hate is kind of bad..
I'm pretty sure all of us on this board are kind people who don't hate..even if we have a dislike for someone or something. I don't feel hate should be used.
I honestly feel you couldn't hate.. just not a normal feeling..I bet you get mad..then feel okay soon after.That's okay.. Keep the Devil away by not hating..
It’s simply this. We need to go with a proven HC instead of taking a chance on unknown. This is literally like Andy Reid being fired and someone picking a coordinator over him . It won’t happen unless he says no or the team is dumb. You have to know if your team is being assembled correctly. Best way to do that is bring in a guy you know can win, so if you’re not, chances are you don’t have right personnel
Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It's perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we've learned something from yesterday. -John Wayne
What proof is there of McDaniels being a good head coach?
What makes him attractive besides working for Belichick?
OC's at NE have done well because of Belichick and Brady.
He has not proven a thing to make me feel he is qualified. We already went that route with Mangini and Romeo.
For my money I want someone who has been a head coach and done well. A proven head coach.
Mike McCarthy fits that description.
Good. Go kidnap him and force him to be Cleveland coach or he's a goner. People act like these guys MUST take a job should it be offered. Posts talk about Haslam being a crap owner and which destination is most desirable and it isnt Cleveland yet every candidate should just jump on the offer if given?
Seriously, we dont know if the guy hasn't already refused it! You think we're such a prestigious place to coach over the last twenty years? These guys, once again, are about to think tank themselves right into a corner and out of the running for any chance thet do have for someone of ANY experience.
Patriots expect Josh McDaniels to leave, if he gets an offer
Posted by Mike Florio on January 5, 2020, 4:50 PM EST
Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels is under consideration for three head coaching jobs, with the Panthers, Giants, and Browns. And for the first time since he returned to New England after a failed tenure in Denver and a short-term stint with the Rams, McDaniels is available to be hired less than one week into the cycle.
Like they were two years ago, the Patriots are bracing for McDaniels to leave, if he gets an offer.
In early 2018, the Patriots were bracing for McDaniels to leave for the Colts. He told the Colts he’d take the job, but then McDaniels changed his mind and stayed. This time, any verbal acceptance can quickly be followed by a signed contract, preventing second thoughts or a last-ditch effort by the Patriots to change his mind.
It’s unclear whether McDaniels will get an offer. He wouldn’t get the keys to the car in New York, and Browns chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta is a potential impediment to McDaniels running the show in Cleveland. It remains to be seen whether Carolina owner David Tepper would let his coach call the shots.
Regardless of whether McDaniels has the kind of control he had in Denver, the Patriots believe that an offer to coach elsewhere will finally result in McDaniels leaving New England, again.
Then he went to Indianapolis, a verbal commitment was made. He could not sign a contract because the Patriots were still in the playoffs. He told them the staff he wanted, the staff was hired. Then after pretty much all decent available coaches were hired, and Indianapolis had set up everything McDaniels wanted, he reneged on his commitment, to stay in New England. Someone's word is his bond; McDaniels has no honor.
Someone who would do that, is not someone I want coaching the team I think of as mine.
Fair if true I guess. But what you described isn't exactly what happened.
Imagine you gave a verbal commitment to a new employer. They said you were going to get very good benefits when you start working there. You say ok, I'll come work for you but show me these "very good benefits" before I sign the contract. They hem haw around and finally get back to you and say sorry, the benefits aren't very good, but we still want you to come work for us. You say nope and retract your word.
Are you a bad person?
This is pretty much what happened with McDaniels when he was dealing with Indy in regards to Luck.
Josh McDaniels and Browns coaching lovefest is really complicated
It’s never simple with Josh McDaniels.
The Browns, Giants and Panthers have requested permission to interview the Patriots offensive coordinator for their head coaching vacancies, according to ESPN.com.
According to a report from The Canton Repository, the 43-year old’s hometown paper, McDaniels is “enthusiastically interested” in the position for which he previously interviewed. McDaniels took himself out of the running in 2014, citing that he was not ready to leave the Patriots at that time.
According to Cleveland.com, McDaniels is the Browns’ first choice. However, there are several complications with the possibility of McDaniels replacing the fired Freddie Kitchens.
The Browns may want to exercise caution given McDaniels’ checkered past in this area. In 2018, McDaniels jilted the Colts for the head coaching position in an embarrassing last-second about face. Browns GM John Dorsey is close with Colts counterpart Chris Ballard and may be biased against giving McDaniels a chance.
However, Dorsey is reportedly in the midst of a power struggle with chief strategy officer Paul DePodesta, the former Mets executive who runs the analytics side of the organization. So, it is unclear how much of the decision is Dorsey’s to make. McDaniels, according to the report, could have some say over Dorsey’s future if he is the favorite of owner Jimmy Haslam.
Enlarge ImageJosh McDaniels with Tom Brady Josh McDaniels with Tom BradyGetty Images Is this the right time for McDaniels to leave the Patriots?
The 2019 Patriots are far from the offensive juggernauts of years past as they limped into the postseason as the No. 3 seed after losing to the Dolphins at home on Sunday. The Patriots, who host the Titans on Saturday, will play in the wild-card round for the first time in 10 years.
Tom Brady, 42, has struggled for most of the season, and even if he can resurrect the team for a postseason run, his age dictates that this dynasty with Bill Belichick will have to end sooner than later.
For now, McDaniels remains “100 percent fully invested in getting ready for Tennessee.”
“That’s where my focus will be,” he told the Boston Herald.
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NFL's most disappointing team fires head coach on 'Black Monday' eve While the Browns finished the season with a disappointing 6-10 record, the head coaching position in Cleveland remains attractive. McDaniels expressed interest in quarterback Baker Mayfield in the past and held a private workout with him before the 2018 NFL Draft. Mayfield was a favorite for the NFL’s offensive rookie of the year contest before struggling in his second season.
The Browns are also expected to interview former Packers head coach Mike McCarthy.
Kitchens, 45, was informed by Dorsey and Haslam that he had been relieved of his duties shortly after Sunday’s 33-23 loss to the Bengals.
