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I always find it funny that when we don’t get a player or coach, it’s the Browns failing. What if, by chance, the Cowboys made him a bigger offer for a longer deal? Or he doesn’t like the climate here? Or he doesn’t like the city as much? Or the fishing is better?

We can never know, but we sure can bitch.


Of course! NO ONE is going to WANT to come to the team where careers DIE. It's Haslams job to entice the unwilling with a HUGE paycheck. There is no cap on staff salary. If JJ offered 7 million per Haslam should have countered with 12 million per and a five-year deal. If Haslam were smart he would hire Cowher. Now, you will say Cowher doesn't want to coach and wouldn't come here. I'd be willing to bet if Haslam offered 15 million a year for 10 years Cowher would be on the first plane to Cleveland. Perhaps even sweeten the deal with a small percentage of the team... 150 million is nothing to Haslam and it's a LOT less than a QB makes. But that would mean Haslam couldn't pull the plug in a year or two and reboot yet again. Something he loves to do because he is the one in front of the cameras and doing the talking.


I’m quite confident that Haslam does not enjoy the team losing one bit. I would double check your sources.

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We are going to lose out on McDaniel and end up with someone like Stefanski or Saleh. That may not be all bad. I wanted McCarthy, but after reading about his stagnant offenses in Green Bay, I am over him. He is not Andy Reid.
The only way for Haslam to make a big splash at this point would be Meyer, and I think that would be a big mistake. He is a great college coach, but it is a different skill.

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Despite the lack of HC experience, I think I could get behind Saleh. He'd have to really knock it out of the park with his coordinator hires, though.


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I have a feeling all of those wanting McDaniels will be disappointed. I think he’ll use our interest to leverage elsewhere


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Possible game changer in the coaches version of musical chairs.


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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
I have a feeling all of those wanting McDaniels will be disappointed. I think he’ll use our interest to leverage elsewhere


It doesn't really matter. The odds that the Browns will get this wrong are high. Or if they get it right, they'll create such an awful environment that it will end up being wrong. There will be no success with the Haslams no matter who they bring in. (I love the story about Jimmy attending practices and asking coaches their opinions on other people in the organization. What a trainwreck.) He's an absolute utter failure as a steward of a franchise. Nothing good will come from anything he touches.

So it basically doesn't matter who they choose.

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So that leaves McDaniels to either Giants, Browns, or stay in NE.


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I don't think it can be understated that Rhule declined to interview with the Browns.

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I’m surprised Rhule went to Carolina not NYG


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I don't think it can be understated that Rhule declined to interview with the Browns.


For a minute, the reported reason he declined us was because we was going to stay at Baylor. Since that's clearly not happening, I completely agree with you.


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I don't think it can be understated that Rhule declined to interview with the Browns.


For a minute, the reported reason he declined us was because we was going to stay at Baylor. Since that's clearly not happening, I completely agree with you.


Who does the term natural born leader apply to more than Matt Rhule when it comes to all the candidates? None. He's probably the smartest of them too. There was no way he was putting his career in the hands of the Haslams. This is as damning as it gets.

Wouldn't even speak to the Browns. And he chose a team with no QB. Wow.

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Let's see what Rhule says about the Panthers job - maybe it was already a done deal through back channels or something? Or perhaps he heard the CLE job was always going to be McDaniels? If it's simply because of the dumpster fire that is the Haslams, yes it's pretty bad.

Of the College guys Rhule and Urban would have been my only considerations. I bet Charlotte will do well with him.


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Originally Posted By: Rishuz
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I don't think it can be understated that Rhule declined to interview with the Browns.


For a minute, the reported reason he declined us was because we was going to stay at Baylor. Since that's clearly not happening, I completely agree with you.


Who does the term natural born leader apply to more than Matt Rhule when it comes to all the candidates? None. He's probably the smartest of them too. There was no way he was putting his career in the hands of the Haslams. This is as damning as it gets.

Wouldn't even speak to the Browns. And he chose a team with no QB. Wow.
Maybe that's the reason he chose them.

For an offense guru, being able to chose your own QB is huge. Theres a reason dude in arizone wanted Rosen traded after a year.

Coaches want their type of QB. Maybe he didn't think Baker or the kid in NY are his type of QB he can win with, but knows they were not going anywhere.

Carolina is also close to Texas. Could be a number of things.

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That's good that the Panthers are going to hire him.

We were not and that leaves us and the Giants.

So it probably means we get Stefanski, McDaniel, or now maybe Schwartz.

The others? I kind of doubt it. But hey who knows?

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I kinda thought Carolina would lean Bienemy or McDaniels ... but now it’s us vs NYG


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Dave Gettlemen got Gettlemen'd.


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Who would schwartz bring as his oc? That would be huge.


I just want a winner. We need players who can be part of the solution not part of the problem.
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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
I kinda thought Carolina would lean Bienemy or McDaniels ... but now it’s us vs NYG


I do not see McDaniels working with Gettleman.

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Originally Posted By: Rishuz
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I don't think it can be understated that Rhule declined to interview with the Browns.


For a minute, the reported reason he declined us was because we was going to stay at Baylor. Since that's clearly not happening, I completely agree with you.


Who does the term natural born leader apply to more than Matt Rhule when it comes to all the candidates? None. He's probably the smartest of them too. There was no way he was putting his career in the hands of the Haslams. This is as damning as it gets.

Wouldn't even speak to the Browns. And he chose a team with no QB. Wow.

That is pretty bad.

At the end of the day though, there are only 32 NFL head coaching jobs. Only two of them are currently open, one of which is the Browns job. We'll have our choice of a pretty good coach.

From a purely football perspective, the Browns job is still pretty attractive. A lot of young talent, all of our own picks (plus some extra mid-late rounders from other teams), lots of cap space. But yeah, the Haslams and their history of quick firings is a going to be a huge negative, especially to less-established coaches who have to realize that they might only get one chance to be an NFL head coach.

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MATT RHULE
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Panthers hired ex-Baylor coach Matt Rhule as head coach.
Rhule was initially set to interview with the Giants on Tuesday but apparently kept off the plane after Panthers owner David Tepper spent Monday in Waco with the Baylor coach and his family. While it will undoubtedly take a full reload to put the Panthers back on the map, Carolina's vacancy had to be more intriguing than the Giants' gig given Rhule's proven track record of building organizations from the ground up — most recently Baylor University's. A quick agreement from both sides also entails the 44-year-old has CEO duties, especially since Tepper has reportedly agreed to help Rhule build a sports science/recovery program similar to the one he created at Baylor. Current Lions QBs coach Sean Ryan was Rhule's choice for OC last year, so expect the former to jump ship in the coming days.

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I wonder how much the bolded part played into it ... pretty cool stuff there ... I like Rhule for that alone ...




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I kinda thought Carolina would lean Bienemy or McDaniels ... but now it’s us vs NYG


I do not see McDaniels working with Gettleman.
If the Giants want him, they will can Gettleman.

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I kinda thought Carolina would lean Bienemy or McDaniels ... but now it’s us vs NYG


I do not see McDaniels working with Gettleman.
If the Giants want him, they will can Gettleman.


I don't think so.

They couldn't even get Ruhle to board the plane.

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Originally Posted By: DiamDawg

I wonder how much the bolded part played into it ... pretty cool stuff there ... I like Rhule for that alone ...

Probably a lot. These are the edges that NFL teams need to pursue if they want to be winning teams in the NFL.

As I've said on here repeatedly, the Browns often look like the less conditioned, less imposing team on Sundays. They need to do a better job with player development, sports science, strength and conditioning, diet, sleep, etc. Whatever is needed to get players right, mentally and physically, so they can perform at their best on the field.

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He's going to convert Curtis Samuel to linebacker!

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Is this a double-reverse Gettleman'd?

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Giants receive permission from Cowboys to interview Jason Garrett. (Garrett is under contract until Jan 14).

https://www.dallasnews.com/sports/cowboy...aching-vacancy/

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Whoa!

We have the pick of the litter.

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Goodness. The Giants hired Joe Judge? saywhat

Could this coaching cycle have gone any better for the Browns? (edit: The Browns still have to actually make a hire... fingerscrossed)

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Is this a double-reverse Gettleman'd?


If this is true...I think it is a HUGE sign to be cautious concerning McD. They took the Receivers Coach when the OC was in contention for the same job...

When it comes to McDaniels...JUST SAY NO!


I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...

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Is this a double-reverse Gettleman'd?




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Talk about an in-your-face to McDaniels - this seems like a bit of a reach for the Giants.

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That is just a nonsensical statement.

You are assuming way too much.


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.. " When it comes to McDaniels...JUST SAY NO!.. "

the fact that he is getting passed over and over should give the Browns something to think about ..

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Is McDaniels going to call the Browns to move up the interview, or nah?


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Originally Posted By: Haus

As I've said on here repeatedly, the Browns often look like the less conditioned, less imposing team on Sundays. They need to do a better job with player development, sports science, strength and conditioning, diet, sleep, etc. Whatever is needed to get players right, mentally and physically, so they can perform at their best on the field.


I have noted that in the past as well. Other team's players seem to get bigger, stronger, faster. Our players at best stayed the same. I can't think of a single player over the years who has gotten more physically imposing after joining our team.


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