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So, which way do you lean when you know it’s a package deal? You get both or nothing.

If they get Kubiak I am all in on Stefanksi. If they don't.....tbd

Wilks and his defense should not be allowed to even pack their own gear as we send them out of town..... BUT, I get keeping him around at the outset like this. Actually, I applaud it.... you brought in a new coach and kept around guys that are under contract in case the new HC wanted them. As unlikely as it is to happen, it's a smart move. No sense in ever throwing out the baby with the bath water.

They will have to risk working with a first time HC that was the last one hired in the process of five hires. A HC, that as far as I know, no other team even interviewed for the HC position.

Klint might be the Kubiak we get (unless Vikes name him OC)...

Some comments from Thielen as well...

I'm sure Kitchens could (and did) grind as well. Woopdyhell

I like that Kubiak has worked with Baker, but what I really want to know is if he can put an offense together that can maximize the talent we have on the roster. We're oozing talent, and with a somewhat successful draft, we should be able to do much more with this offense (and D, for that matter).

It will be Stefanski's offense and he will hire someone that will run his offense which will be in the mold of Kubiak/Shanahan.

Stefanski remembers a moment following the 2009 season, when some of the Vikings staffers were studying cut-ups of the Texans’ roll outs and QB keepers designed by Kubiak. “I was just so impressed at how often the quarterback got the edge and the defense just sold out for the run,” Stefanski says. “I can remember watching those and wondering, ‘What is the secret to this thing?’” Watching Kubiak’s scheme bewilder defenders, a light went on in Stefanski’s mind: This is it. “As a young coach, I looked at that offense and thought, ‘That’s what I want it to be whenever I get my chance.’”

eh, the same would be true no matter which of our finalists were hired. It's really not that big a deal.

It's a thing, sure, but it's not so dramatic as your writing tries to paint it.

Bottom line: just as there are only 32 Head Coach jobs in the world, there are only 64 Coordinator positions in the world.... and pretty much only the couple of vacancies. So, anyone that wants to be a coordinator in the NFL and add that next line item to their resume will be more than happy to come here.

The fewer jobs available, the higher on everyone's list they are.

Even with offset language, everyone will opt for the paycheck and the resume bullet point versus sitting out and doing nothing.

The fewer jobs available, the higher on everyone's list they are.

Even with offset language, everyone will opt for the paycheck and the resume bullet point versus sitting out and doing nothing.

We've been firing coaches left and right for years now. Last year we got Todd Monken, who was interviewing for head coaching positions prior to be hired as our offensive coordinator, and Steve Wilks, who was a head coach the previous season, as our coordinators.

Coaches want to coach. They also want shiny new titles. They also want fat pay checks. The Browns offer the ability to accomplish all three.

Jimmy Haslam announces Ray Farmer as general manager, goes on the defensive with media


Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam met with the media on Tuesday, announcing Ray Farmer as the team's sole general manager and generally being pretty defensive about the job he's done thus far.

On Tuesday, Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam announced significant organizational moves in a press conference. Those moves saw general manager Michael Lombardi and CEO Joe Banner given the boot in favor of new general manager Ray Farmer.

"Joe and I, after lots of conversation, mutually agreed it was best for the organization to streamline things," Haslam said to assembled media, "Accordingly, we've announced that Alec Scheiner, as I mentioned, will run our business side and will remain as president. (Mike) Pettine will remain as head coach and Farmer will be general manager."

went on to say that there will be no CEO, and that all three Scheiner, Pettine and Farmer will report to him. Banner will likely stay on with the team through the bulk of the offseason to "help transition" over that time period.

Both Banner and Lombardi are now in the same company as former head coach Rob Chudzinski they were all let go after just one season at the helm.

Haslam was very defensive of the Browns and where they stand as an organization, namely regarding the team's coaching search. Some have wondered if potential candidates simply avoided the job altogether due to the situation in Cleveland, possibly looking to the fact that Chudzinski wasn't given a fair chance to make things happen.

"I will accept comments and criticism about change. I will accept resposibility for changes that have been made," Haslam said, "There's no primer for being an NFL owner. It is learn on the go, if you will."

"I think the reports of people not wanting to talk to us are inaccurate," he went on to add, "I think we went through a very thorough search. Comments were made about how long it took. I think we got the best person available."

There were multiple reports that candidates for the head coaching job, eventually accepted by Pettine, former defensive coordinator of the Buffalo Bills, took their names out of the running for the job after interviewing with the organization. As to whether or not that had something to do with Chudzinski or not, it's unclear. But Haslam seems to think that there was too much going on organizationally, and that things needed to be simplified.

"I felt like the previous setup was cumbersome," Haslam told the media, "I view my job as this: to provide the proper resources, to put the right people in the right place, to hold them accountable, and do everything I can to help them be successful."

That is similar to an earlier quote for Haslam, back when the NFL approved him as the new owner of the Browns. Haslam said then that he was going to be involved, "but involved in the proper way." He said that he had five people that reported to him at Pilot Flying J, and that they are all "smarter than I am, and they're all better at their role then I am, and we let them do their jobs."

Haslam finished off that quote with this caveat, though: "On the other hand, we question them, we push them, we challenge them, we hold them accountable."[/b]

It wasn't the only time Haslam has made a reference to his time at Flying J, saying at another time that he's familiar with the process of putting the right people in place. "Running a company like Flying , we've hired a lot of senior executives," Haslam said, "I think we know that process, we know how to understand it and go about it and feel good about the hire of Joe," then referencing the hiring of Banner.

Clearly, Haslam believes that his input into how things are run isn't the be-all, end-all to the organization, but he's so far not been shy about sticking very, very close to the "accountability" line.

Of course, Haslam does go on to point out that Farmer has been with the organization for a year, noting that it's not someone being brought in from the outside. To close out, he became defensive again, saying that he "underestimated this," and suggesting that he be looked at as a "work in-progress."

Haslam did say that these moves are "the last of the major changes we'll make in the organization." You know, until the next one.

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2014/2/11/5401496/jimmy-haslam-browns-press-conference-ray-farmer

I'm not so sure going into the 2020 season with a 43 year old Tom Brady is a strong selling point for staying in New England.

And I'm certainly not trying to indicate that coaches won't come here. I'm simply saying if you are a quality candidate with a good reputation around the league, you may very well choose not to.

I'll tell you what, let's see how our coaching staff gets filled out and see if an argument can actually be made that they are the most qualified candidates out there for their respective job titles.

I tend to agree with you. I've seen this movie before and know how it ends. Actually I've seen it several times.

I can't blame Stefanski for wanting his shot. It's the only gig offered to him. But I'm pretty sure the weight that's being hung around his neck with Haslam micromanaging everything will be his downfall more than anything else.

If that's the case you dont end up with guys like Pettine (not to bash him, but he was like our 7th choice in HC that year).

WE have been turned down already in THIS PROCESS by coaches.

Its a thing. Its not made up. We are the poop stain of the NFL. I am sure there is a "Browns" joke to correlate with that somehow.