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This is a bad example and I could not disagree more. Hue was never on board with Sashi and the analytics department. Jimmy forced Hue Jackson on the anlytics department. Sashi and DePo wanted Sean McDermott and Jimmy forced Hue Jackson on them.

An organizational arranged marriage that blew up and has blown up on Haslam several times. See Farmer/Pettine and Dorsey/DePo as other examples.

This is what they are trying to avoid this time.

Tying everyone together with a shared plan and vision.

I don't see that. On Monday morning the coaches get what Depos group has put together for the next opponent. The coaches install that in to the game plan.

Friday morning rolls around, it is more to review the plan, both sides ask any questions they might have. Any tweaks at that point won't be installing things not practiced. It will probably be along the lines of when to call a play on a various down and distance, or defensive look. Maybe move a play that is slotted to a 3rd and 7 in to a slot more like 3rd and 4.

I think it's more to help the play caller pull up the right plays at the right time. Not to change the game plan on Friday afternoon. Depos group is always working 1 week ahead. Once they do their thing on Mondays, they are no longer thinking about this weeks game, they are now working on next weeks opponent.

Anything , absolutely any football thing that includes Haslam will blow up in their face eventually .. The guy has a " I am the smartest guy in the room sin drum " .. He is the root of all Evil in the Browns. There ; I feel better now that I got that off my chest ..lol

I was the biggest Hue basher on this board. It was absolutely SETUP to work that way, it just didn't. If Hue wasn't on board with that, he wouldn't have taken the job.

That's the issue, its not going to work. An organization cant have 5 voices. It needs 1. It needs a leader. That's why there is a CEO in business. Their job is to take the input from others (COO, CFO, Stockholders, Managers, etc) and take all the input and make a decision based on that input.

The problem with the Browns, and always has been, is EVERYONE thinks they are that CEO voice. The HC will control aspects, the GM will control aspects, Depo will control aspects. Does the HC report to Haslam to Depo? Or the GM? Thats where it went sour with Sashi and Hue, as soon as they disagreed, they both felt like they had the power. They then went running to Jimmy and it caused turmoil.

Guess what, that happened again, after haley was here. Hue went to Haslam, Haley to Dorsey, etc.

Haslam doesn't give direction. Its always a question, who has Halsams ear, and who has the power. In a regular organization, WE KNOW WHO HAS THE POWER. There should be a question.

Tell me, as of right now, who has the power in this organization with this current setup?

j/c...

Posted this in the Offensive Schemes thread, but worth posting here as well as when discussing Stefanski and what he brings to the table...

https://zonecoverage.com/2019/minnesota-...ffensive-coach/

I don't think any doubts stefanski has a decent offense.

We are not hiring an offense coordinator position, we are hiring a HC - big difference.

We need a leader. IDK if he is one. We will see.

My biggest gripe is the team is ready to win now, and we need a guy that can come in day one and say "Odell, Jarvis, take off those stupis shoes".

If Kevin Stefanski says to you, your gonna slant eye him.

If a guy with 6 rings says that to you, your not gonna like it, but your gonna take off those shoes.

DePodesta doesn't have any more power than Stefanski or the GM in the organizational structure. According to Haslam his job description hasn't changed.

That is what we are led to believe. Anything is possible with Haslam involved.

Thus a big part of this entire problem.

No one knows who is in charge, and they will all fight for power and their voice. Wash, rinse, repeat.

I dont have a problem with Depo being here, but if he is heading out search committee, which he did - he should be here. When you hire the coach, your the defacto head of the team.

DePodesta didn't hire the coach. He recommended him to Haslam and Haslam approved of the recommendation (something he hasn't done in the past).

The problem is Haslam. Not DePodesta or Stefanski or anyone else.

I think it's funny as hell. Some posters think it was terrible that Dorsey wanted a HC he could control, or at least that was their claim.

Now Haslam has made it obvious that's exctly what he's doing. With his track record of hiring HC's that should make everyone feel much better!

Nope .... the situation is that YOU don't know who is in charge and YOU fear that they will fight and be dysfunctional.

Based on Haslam's history - you might be right. Based on you extolling the ability for McDaniels to learn and get better at being a HC .... I'd say there is just as much chance and probability that Haslam can and will learn and get better at being an owner. We'll see. Hand wringing isn't going to change anything.

This is a very good point.

j/c...

Lol.

It's my understanding that Depo doesn't have any power at all. He is not a decision maker. He collects and analyzes information, and then presents the best options the information available point to for the decision makers to do what they please with. The fact that Haslam might finally be listening to him after he pointed out that the last two choices weren't the right ones doesn't make him in charge... it just means that he's actually part of the process and the information isn't getting ignored this time around.

It doesn't mean it will work, either, but at least with hindsight we can see he was right about who NOT to get.

All I know is this: If I am Stefanski and/or Berry, I want a minimum of a 7 year deal, with no off-set language.

Nobody has even hinted at that. It's the micromanaging of Haslam people are concerned with.

Now we just need the part where he says the journey to the darkside is complete.

and film review/breakdowns where the telestrator markings make lightsaber sounds.

Its the nature our culture in these days. You either fall in line, or your the enemy.

You are not allowed to question the process. Obey.

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This is literally what I said in the post you quoted.

That seems to be the go to answer towards the people that have earned the right to be upset after 20 years of total frustration.

There wasn't anything that great to cheer about before that either. Just disappointment from a team that was good but always fell short.

I personally dont give a crap if anybody wants to be anguished 24/7 by a football team but that somebody ain't me.

I saw exactly what you posted and nobody has said that analytics aren't a valuable tool. And some off the wall comment about the board rules has zero to do with any of this.

We had our moments. Far more often than we have since our return.



Yet here you are having made comments on the board addressing that very thing.

You and I have different interpretations of comments made on this board. No big deal.

While winning the SB is the ultimate goal, most of us find Football to be entertainment, and just having the excitement of playoffs and possibilities would go a long way with us.

Dudes gotta wait for the thief’s stupid to hit its floor before the journey is complete ... amazingly were not there yet ... POOR US ...

I'll settle for having games after Thanksgiving that still mean something, for starters.

And no, I do not include games where we need eleventy other teams to win or lose in order to validate us as counting toward that.

Run the ball when they should have passed and pass the ball when they should have run.

Sand.

I have this marvelous bridge in Brooklyn up for sale.You seem like the type of gentleman who would be interested in adding it to your portfolio.

It was the "I'm gonna try somethin' - hold muh beer" offense.