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I just sneezed inside my surgical mask.

Flu has killed over 8,000 this season is just the US... coronavirus is scary but I'm not going to get too worked up yet..

I'm thinking about catching the Coors Light virus today.

Be careful, it directly attacks your wallet.

Seeing as how the majority of these diseases come from farm animals, is it too much to ask to re-evaluate how we raise farm animals, or is that too harmful to people’s wallets?

Not much my local watering hole only charges $2.00 for a beer.

The United States currently has five cases of the virus: two in California, one in Arizona, one in Washington and one in Illinois, health officials say.

France -- 5 cases

Thailand -- 14

Australia -- 7

Germany -- 4

Canada -- 3

Japan -- 11

Malaysia -- 8

South Korea -- 6

Taiwan -- 8

United Arab Emirates -- 4

Vietnam -- 5

Sri Lanka -- 1

Philippines -- 1

Nepal -- 1

Malaysia -- 7

Finland --1

Cambodia -- 1

India -- 1

Singapore -- 10

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-by-the-numbers

6200 cases increased to 7800 cases in 3 days?, and 3 days ago I think that list of countries was only 3 countries, maybe 5
USA-1, Japan-1, and China, then maybe Vietnam and ?,

Next week?

Once you look at how many diseases and parasites are virtually of no concern any longer due to the quality of modern farming practices, you'd realize that things are actually pretty good.

Beyond that, us looking at how we do things doesn't affect all the backwoods parts of the world - like Chinese markets engaged in selling exotic critters - where many of these things originate.

The big industry isn't the primary problem in things like this, it's the individuals in far-flung regions with nasty farming practices that are the real issue.

Yes, but people are less considerate. The number of people I encounter out in public that are obviously sicker than heck, and will touch everything, sneeze without covering up, it's just bewildering.
And it's not like they are out getting meds, they are just going about daily life, spreading germs.

So, here's the thing that is annoying to me:

What information isn't being shared?
This doesn't spread all that quickly and it doesn't have all that high of a mortality rate. The number of cases at this point is actually quite low given the population densities of the areas in which cases have been reported, I think. I mean, really... as was already mentioned, this pales in comparison to the common flu right now.


So..... why are borders getting closed and cities getting quarantined and emergency facilities to hold up to 1,000 getting constructed overnight?

My guess, is because it is China and the we don't believe the numbers they are reporting, especially considering the measures they are taking as your stated.

The first human to human transmission of the disease has just been confirmed in America.

Breaking Story, more to come...

CDC confirms first human-to-human transmission of coronavirus in US

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/30/cdc-conf...irus-in-us.html

The new patient is the spouse of the Chicago woman who brought the infection back from Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the outbreak, CDC and Illinois health officials said during a press briefing. Public health officials are also monitoring 21 patients in Illinois for possible infections.

Now we're talking.
There is no way on god's green earth that little countries like S.Korea and Vietnam should have as many or more cases than this great land of our's.
Someone needs to talk to trump,open up our borders to the Wuhang Gang and get some of those sickies in here.

Amen. Let's get this party kicked off!

No.

WHO declares China coronavirus that’s killed 171 a global health emergency

-The World Health Organization said the fast-spreading coronavirus that’s infected more than 8,200 across the world is a global health emergency.

-The rare designation will help the international agency mobilize financial and political support to contain the outbreak.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/30/who-declares-china-coronavirus-a-global-health-emergency.html

J/C

I really haven't looked into this at all - but let me know if I got this right.....

So what im seeing is that its really not that deadly (about .02% have passed from it that contracted) - not more so than the typically common cold/flu can be, and that your really only at risk to die if you have OTHER health related issues it can make worse?

Sounds like a good opportunity for fear and money to be made.

And a movie on the SyFy channel.

Virnado!!

I'm curious as to where CNBC gets their 8,200 number when World Health Organization's 30 January SitRep still has the number at just a blip over 7,800.

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports/

For anyone that cares, or is bored, apparently there is a new SitRep doc daily.
Of interest, however, is the over 12,000 suspected number as of 30 January.

Still, it seems much overblown, though perhaps this sort of reaction is simply established protocol from a defensive perspective. Better to over-react and lock things down when not necessary than to not do it and have a really bad one gain too much traction?

The problem is, if you cry wolf too many times, then people won't take you seriously when there's really a deadly outbreak of something.

CNBC worries more about how the disease effects the stock market than how many people get in the way.

It is, but if they can't cure it, it's not. The healthcare system in 1918 was better than when the plague swept Europe in the mid 1300's, killing near 40% of the European population.

Just saying.

The Johns Hopkins site hasn't been updated since 11 this morning and is at 8236. Should be updated in the next hour or so.

And there are reports from how it actually is in China that several days ago, the real number is probably around 100,000

Either by mistake or design, the number in China are getting under reported. And in the story i posted a couple days ago, many people are not able to get medical attention for like a week. The medical system in Wuhan is overwhelmed.
Also, some of the deaths are being reported as severe respiratory or pneumonia, which is a result of too much corona.

So, why would the Johns Hopkins site have better information than WHO?



Now, we're talkin'!
That's slightly disconcerting, lol.... but, it makes the fuss seem more reasonable.

In cases like these it's not about what we're being told that I'm concerned about. It's what we're not being told. Borders aren't closed due to the flu.

I highly doubt that if this isn't more serious than the flu that the world would be isolating cities and shutting down borders.

Watching a Netflix special the other day (which was made pre-coronavirus) but the rules apply.

All animals have viruses, most of which local people are immune to. Then they showed a wet market in a Chinese city where they sell live animals for food and they are stacked in cages, animal cages stacked on top of different animal cages all over the place. The theory is that virus from one animal type gets into another animal type and joins with one of it's viruses and creates a completely different virus.

This is their working theory on how these "new" viruses we've never seen before get started. It's also the reason they always seem to originate in the same parts of the world that have the worst sanitation practices and requirements.

China has a history of trying to keep things like this on the down low for fear that they will wreck tourism and export businesses. It's not until the WHO and the CDC become aware and start to get involved that we start to get a picture of how bad it really is.

I wouldn't believe anything China told me, but I would take what the WHO and the CDC say very seriously.

With that said, I'm leaving the first week of March for a fun few days in Uganda (work related). In the last week I've been vaccinated for about 8 different things, obviously corona isn't one of them.

China has massive building programs going on all over Africa and I would imagine that Chinese business people are in and out of there all the time.

I'm a little freaked out and monitoring it on the daily to see if any hot spots show up in/near Uganda.

I certainly wish you the best in your travels and hope nothing like this befalls you.

Some travel tips... Wear a mask if you’re freaked out. Get cleaning wipes and pack a few in a ziplock in your carryon bag. Wipe the surfaces of your seating area down. Tray table, armrests, window well, etc. Most importantly, DON’T TOUCH YOUR FACE. Keep your hands away from your eyes unless you just washed them. This is the fastest way we allow entry of most illnesses into our bodies. Hands to eyes. Wash your hands the moment you can after each flight.

You can generally keep yourself healthy with these basic steps.

Thanks.

How effective is hand sanitizer in place of a full-on hand washing? Just curious.

FDA: Purell sanitizer doesn't prevent the flu — or Ebola - CBS News
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/purell-sani...-other-viruses/

The U.S. Food and Drug Administration wants the maker of Purell to clean up its act, warning Gojo Industries to stop claiming that some of its hand sanitizers can help guard against Ebola, norovirus, the flu and other maladies.

The Ohio manufacturer makes unfounded marketing claims about its popular line of alcohol-based gels, foams and sprays on its corporate website and on social media, the FDA's director of compliance said in a January 17 letter to Gojo.

The agency's directive comes as the U.S. contends with an early start to the flu season and amid global concerns about the coronavirus outbreak that has killed more than 100 people in China.

Gojo's statements about one of its product lines — Purell Healthcare Advanced Hand Sanitizer — wrongly suggest that the product may protect users from the Ebola virus, norovirus, influenza and other infection.

"As of today, we are not aware of any hand sanitizers that have been tested against Ebola viruses, including Purell," the FDA said in the letter.

The agency also called on the company to stop claiming on Purell's website that its sanitizers have been shown to "reduce student absenteeism by up to 51%." Gojo must also stop promoting Purell as a defense in locker rooms and other germ-laden sports environments, including against certain antibiotic-resistant infections.

Purell isn't a drug

Gojo's marketing implies that some of its products can be used to prevent disease, which implies they are drugs even though they are not classified as such, the FDA said.

Gojo took immediate action to rectify the situation after getting the FDA warning, the company said in a statement on its website.

"It is important to emphasize that the FDA letter was not related to the safety or quality of our products, or our manufacturing processes. Our products can and should continue to be used as part of good hand hygiene practice, to reduce germs," a Gojo spokesperson wrote to CBS MoneyWatch.

"It is our responsibility to ensure that we comply with all requirements of FDA regulations and federal law, and we take that responsibility very seriously," the company spokesperson added. "To that end, we have begun updating relevant website and other digital content as directed by the FDA and are taking steps to prevent a recurrence."

Hand sanitizers are effective in killing some germs on contact, but offer limited protection, experts cautioned.

"Hand sanitizers, at least alcohol-based like Purell, are very effective in killing viruses and bacteria that may be on your hands," said David Dowdy, an associate professor of infectious disease and epidemiology at Johns Hopkins University's Bloomberg School of Public Health.

But sanitizers "kill what's on your hands at the time that you use them, not for hours later," Dowdy told CBS MoneyWatch. "Just using an alcohol wipe from time to time is not going to protect you all day, nor is it reasonable to think people are going to use one every five to 10 minutes."

Infections don't enter the body through your hand, but can when a person touches their mouth, nose, eyes or other orifices, the physician noted. "If someone were to sneeze in your face, obviously this wouldn't protect against that," Dowdy said. "These products are nice to have around, but we shouldn't be thinking of them as a magic bullet."

Hand sanitizer isn’t a hand washing replacement but it can be a useful tool. In nursing we can only use it after ‘casual contact’ with a patient, ie holding a hand, or touching a patient’s back to stabilize them while they walk. Any actual care requires hand washing. It doesn’t kill everything as someone else stated. It doesn’t kill the Norovirus, only bleach does. Etc. Lysol wipes are the same. The suggestions I gave are effective for many types of illness prevention though. Many of the common ones we encounter. Like the rhinovirus... aka the common cold.

Don’t touch your face is the biggest tip. If you tune in to yourself you’ll be amazed at how many times throughout the day you do touch your face, rub your eyes. As a nurse it’s something I’ve trained myself to be conscious of. Once you learn to control the impulse you’ll find in general your incidents of sickness decline.

Heard an interesting story on NPR on the way home..

In Hong Kong at one of their hospitals, starting this weekend they are splitting up their medical team into dirty and clean sides. the dirty side will deal with the virus and suspected virus patients, not have any contact any where else in the hospital totally ICRA'd off and by there selves. When they are done working for the day, they will go to housing and stay with their "dirty workers" for 4-6 weeks. They won't go home, see their kids, go out to eat nothing for the 4-6 week stint and then a couple week observation period.

The nurses at that hospital are also staging a sickout on Monday if Hong Kong doesn't close the border with China. One nurse said she is putting her life at risk because they won't stop letting in people from Hubei.

The website says Hong Kong only have 12 cases but the doctor said that they have many and probably guesses the possible cases in Hong Kong are a couple hundred that he knows about.

If a sickness is airborne, none of the above would matter, if someone breathes, talks, sighs, or even just stands within 6 feet of you, for 30 seconds, you breathe in what they breathe out and vice versa.

Just take a look at where soemeones breath goes on the bitter cold winter days, let alone if they cough or sneeze.

I've known from the past that masks don't stop you from breathing what's around you either, they limit it, even the heavy industrial masks that look like a muzzle for a dog didn't stop me from knowing the chemicals smell and taste I was working with; Only limited it.

Based on new research from MIT, we know now that when you sneeze, it can travel as far as 200 feet–all thanks to a previously undetected gas bubble known as a “multiphase turbulent buoyant bubble.”