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That's just it. It you believe in root cause analysis and you haven't eliminated the root cause why would you expect different results?

That's just wishful thinking and hope.

You manufacture conspiracy theory, I present facts.

My head is in the sand.

Got it.

Facts? That he interviewed for other jobs? Sure. Can you provide some more details of those interviews? Did he get to the finish line on each only to turn down the offers? Did he back out before they made a decision? Was he a leading candidate for any? Did he interview more than once? Did he have demands that wouldn't be met?

I don't know the answer to any of those questions. Would those answers potentially change my mind on what went down with Paton in Cleveland? Possibly.

Would any of it change my mind on where this team is headed with Haslam and Depo? Not for a second.

I thought that Paton turned down an interview with the Jets .... two different times.

Actually, I saw reports that he was completely fine with the structure, and that a ton of people thought this would finally be the job that he left Minnesota for, but that he decided to stay. He has turned most interviews down in the past.

Plus, he met with Minnesota after the 2nd interview. I'm assuming he got a raise as well

Ok, you guys win. Paton loves Minnesota and will never leave. He'll continue to take interviews for the frequent flier miles and the free meals. He's got quite the racket going. I hear they've saved up enough for that trip to Europe now!

He had no issue with the structure. He was completely content working with Haslam and Depo. Their track record of success would be hard to turn down for anyone. A lot of people banging on the doors of Berea for that chance.

Haslam got it right this time, whoever he hires. Because Haslam always gets it right and always gets his guy. Playoffs next year baby!

Stop rolling around and crapping your pants. Nobody said it was all Hue's fault. He just took them to the worst record in NFL history.

Maybe if Stefanski has some success (i.e. wins), MR. Haslam will back off and let things run differently. That is possible.

Maybe he'll finally realize that when he hires good people, and lets them do their jobs, he gets much, much smarter.

I don't believe that's what it says at all. I do however think it says a lot and not just about the Browns.

Paton, by your own list you compiled, is a very hot commodity. It seems several teams have at least considered him as their GM. Now what your list doesn't tell me is Which of those teams chose not to hire him and which of those teams he chose not to take the GM position with. Knowing that would either help bolster your point or undermine it depending on the outcome.

What we do know is that it was "his choice" to take his name off of our list of candidates. To me that simply means he didn't see the situation as one where he felt it would be a positive move for him. You don't come back for a second interview if you're not serious about taking the job.

All it tells us is when he finds the right option for him, where he thinks his odds of success are good, he'll rake it. He isn't giving all of these GM interviews because he doesn't want to be an NFL GM.

Now if you could provide us with the list of GM interviews he's taken where it was "his choice" not to take the job, that would be helpful. Otherwise we have no idea if it was his choice, or those teams choice to hire a different candidate. We know the answer to that one here.

Before Paton took his name off the list, he met with the Minnesota hierarchy and it is believed he received a raise.

I don't need to bolster any point bro. The laundry list of interviews just shows that he is only going to what he considers and ideal situation. He's not in a race to be a GM. He obviously is very well appreciated, compensated and comfortable in Minnesota.

My point is a simple rebuttal to the posters that have decided that it must be DePodesta's fault.

Paton doesn't sign - DePo's fault
McDaniels doesn't bring his circus to town - DePo's fault
Sun doesn't shine tomorrow in Cleveland - DePo's fault

Every thread, over and over, blah, blah, BLAH.

No one is saying, or at least I'm not saying, it is Depo's fault. He's just playing the game to get what he wants.

What I am saying is it IS Haslam's fault.

If your argument was to include all those Paton interviews as some bolster for Depo, then you missed the point completely.

I figured I missed the point lol.

I find it curious how you can draw such a conclusion having no idea of how many times it was the team he interviewed who decided not to hire him. We have no idea how many of those teams you listed chose someone else for the job.



i have no way to pinpoint what his decision was based on. But it's obvious that there was at least one element and maybe more he didn't find comfortable.

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And there is no way of telling if the guy would have even been good at the job. People are acting as if this was the only guy who would have done good here. For all we know he might just keep turning down jobs because he doesn't want the responsibility involved. Think about it, the actual GM would take the blame in Minny if the team fails. Maybe he is happy where he is at. Being comfortable at a job, is a great reason not to want to leave.

But I'm sure it's Haslam's fault.

Those remain good things. If the parameters change the way the root is addressed there is potential for variance. But saying it has always been thus and so makes it thus and so forever is the recipe for hope and such. You have not proven the future. I am okay with faith, and I have been wrong before.
I choose to live that way. Not sure what you get out of your approach. My beliefs are not subject to your poaching or belittling. Speak for yourself.

For starters Taylor wasn’t brought here by your hero ... ...

WOW ... impressive .... and i was talking about the 2nd QB room ... u know the names no sense me re-hashing them ... but lets look at your list ...

RG3 - back up who was out of football for a year ....

McCown - how many games was he healthy for ... what did he ate 2 0 3 3 whole starts that year ....

PS. If u want to bring that year in it would be very menZaesque cause then we get to talk about Jesus and a few others that should not be held against anyone but if u wanna play like u just did ... i can too ...

Kessler is with the Pats ... guess that’s checkmate ... ...

Kizer in the league also ... not sure if he’s second or third string behind that legend Nate Peterman i think his name is ...

Guess u schooled me ...

Dude ... u impress way to easily ...

Coaching has a lot to do with it ... IF U get something to work with .. based on your theory of it was the coaching with these dudes ...

Guess every coach that has had the BUMS your hero brought in to play for us all stink too ... lets see ... that makes ...

John Gruden and Mike McCarthy clueless since neither of them could turn Kizer around ... or is it the new packers HC that must stink ...

We’ll learn an awful lot about that Billicheck’s ability to coach based off how Cody blossoms ...

And lets see ... where did the BUM from Stanford start .... i believe it may have been under that ABYSMALLY NO NOTHING Andy Reid ...

U got me ... i leave with my tail between my legs ... ...

Crapping my pants ... ...

Y’all wanna pretend the crap he was given to work with had nutting to do with it ..

I’ll be crappin all over u and your revisionist history as long as u continue to look at only 1/2 the problem ...

Get used to it ... ...

Personally I think you are full of crap, but trying to leave personal out of the matter, you just don't know., and that's the reality, just like I don't know.

Keep rolling and crapping trying to put something into the story that isn't there. I absolutely said we had a roster that lacked talent and was glad Sashi was fired, but it took a "special" coach to get us to 1-31. I think you were one of those that wanted to keep the worst head coach in NFL history to see what he could do with better players. Now here's a spot for a rolling on the floor guy.

Damm straight i did ... i think everyone deserves a fair shot and if u think he had a fair shot the first two years all i can say is god bless u ...

I said before both those seasons started if u had Vince as HC ... Walsh & Billicheck as O & D coordinators you’d be lucky to win 3 games ...

And dawg ... i don’t read much ... the first post i read of yours in this thread wash your response to me ... .

Kevin Hogan got his start in KC because some BUM of a GM drafted him to the astonishment of the scouting department and coaching staff.

Given the power each then wielded, the stock criticism of Dorsey—that while he’s incredibly respected as an evaluator, he’s more scout than manager—was validated with a level of disorganization that was noticeable before the hyper-organized Ballard departed, and obvious after he left for Indy.

As one source explained it, “It wasn’t dysfunction so much as it was decisions were being made that seemed to come out of nowhere. So that existed, but the people here weren’t aware that ownership was aware of it. … You look back now, how it worked out, and ownership was more aware that it didn’t need to be run that way.”

There were also a few flash points to prove it out over the past 18 months:

• The selection of Stanford quarterback Kevin Hogan in the fifth round of the 2016 draft. That move stunned scouts and coaches, based on the evaluation and meetings leading up to the draft. Hogan didn’t wind up making the team four months later, and started last season on the Browns’ practice squad.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/06/29/kansas-city-chiefs-john-dorsey-fired-nfl-notebook

Imagine watching the 2019 Dolphins with a worse roster winning 5 games and still thinking this....

All it took was Brian Flores (another DePo guy ), not Vince Lombardi and Bill Walsh, whom apparently would not have done better than the guy that jumped in the lake!

You always think I'm full of crap. That isn't anything new.

But I'll tell you what I do know. Haslam is one of the worst, if not the worst, owners in all of sports.

And his fingerprints are all over this structure, the hires, the "alignment".

That does not bring me comfort.

It sounds like the majority, especially those who favor a structure where Depo has power, are optimistic that it will work. Never mind that it has never been about analytics or Depo. Or non-analytics and Dorsey. It always has been and continues to be about Haslam.

Can't wait until Haslam asks Chad O'Shea on the practice field out of the blue what he thinks of the job Stefanski is doing. Good times.

Ryan Fitzpatrick vs Kizer. Kessler and Hogan ...

Devonte Parker vs Kenny Britt and Corey Coleman ...

Should i keep going ...

Zzzzzzzzzzzzz....

We should be hearing something fairly soon, right?

Should I assume whoever we hire has been attending the Senior Bowl?

Ryan Fitzpatrick? The Dolphins leading rusher!

Yes, keep going, it's a hoot.

Hat tip to Mr. Jackson

Bite your tongue

Thinking about Hue upsets my stomach and gives me spastic colon, too.

If Flores was our coach in 2016, we might have made the playoffs!

People always seem to forget we had McCown and Osweiler as well... and Hue CHOSE to go with Kizer against the recommendation of the front office.

That's very bad coaching, not bad GM'ing.

Why he didn't start all those great QB's over Kiser is amazing! That QB room sucked.

Because he's a bad coach. Were you not paying attention?

With a bad roster he had to work with. Until last year.

And the Dolphins roster is worse and they won 5 games this year. Pretty telling I'd say.