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My answer is no. Take a look at this clip of him vs. Notre Dame. Look at the play starting at 0:28 seconds. See for yourself. His mobility is exceptional for a man of his size.


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Not necessarily "my guy", but Daniel Jeremiah likes him ...

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Daniel Jeremiah identifies a tackle prospect Browns fans should get to know at NFL Combine

Andrew Gribble,Senior Staff Writer
Monday, Feb 24, 2020

It's a good year to be in the market for a young, talented offensive tackle, and the Browns find themselves among the slew of teams that fit that bill entering the 2020 NFL Combine.

As many as five tackle prospects have been pegged to fall in the top 15 in this year's draft, and some believe three could be already off the board by the time Cleveland picks at No. 10.

Still, there promises to be options, and NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah recently broke down that position group with the Browns in mind on a teleconference with reporters. While there are a number of talented players who could thrive in Cleveland, Jeremiah sees USC's Austin Jackson as one of the best possible fits for what the Browns want to accomplish under new head coach Kevin Stefanski.

"He's somebody that as you go through the Combine, I think he's going to test really well and I think you're going to start hearing his name mentioned in that top 15-type mix," Jeremiah said. "If you want somebody to fit that offense, I don't know that anybody fits it better than him. He's only 20 years old. He's got great knee bend. He can really move laterally. He's going to get better."

Jackson, a 6-foot-6, 310-pound Phoenix native, was a two-year starter at left tackle at USC, where his grandfather, Melvin, won a 1974 national championship. NFL.com's Lance Zierlein compares Jackson to Arizona's D.J. Humphries, who struggled initially but had a strong 2019 season and, just last week, signed a lucrative contract extension. He calls Jackson "raw but gifted."

"He's scheme-diverse with potential guard flexibility if he improves his strength," Zierlein writes. "He could become an early starter but may offer a wider split between floor and ceiling than some teams might like."

Jackson made headlines before his junior season when he donated his bone marrow to his ailing sister, Autumn, who suffers from Diamond Blackfan Anemia. The procedure prevented Jackson from participating in much of USC's offseason workouts and limited him in a number of aspects throughout his final season.

Jeremiah believes Jackson's stock will ascend now that he's more than seven months removed from the procedure.

"Obviously speaks to the kind of brother he is and his character," Jeremiah said. "But the loss of that offseason, he just needs to get physically stronger, but as a 20-year-old with that type of athletic ability, the upside is really endless. And I think he's somebody that maybe people are sleeping on a little bit at this point in time.

"I have a feeling once we come out of the Combine, Austin Jackson will be a name that Cleveland Browns will keep an eye on."

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Not necessarily "my guy", but Daniel Jeremiah likes him ...

Cleveland Browns.com

Daniel Jeremiah identifies a tackle prospect Browns fans should get to know at NFL Combine

Andrew Gribble,Senior Staff Writer
Monday, Feb 24, 2020

It's a good year to be in the market for a young, talented offensive tackle, and the Browns find themselves among the slew of teams that fit that bill entering the 2020 NFL Combine.

As many as five tackle prospects have been pegged to fall in the top 15 in this year's draft, and some believe three could be already off the board by the time Cleveland picks at No. 10.

Still, there promises to be options, and NFL Network's Daniel Jeremiah recently broke down that position group with the Browns in mind on a teleconference with reporters. While there are a number of talented players who could thrive in Cleveland, Jeremiah sees USC's Austin Jackson as one of the best possible fits for what the Browns want to accomplish under new head coach Kevin Stefanski.

"He's somebody that as you go through the Combine, I think he's going to test really well and I think you're going to start hearing his name mentioned in that top 15-type mix," Jeremiah said. "If you want somebody to fit that offense, I don't know that anybody fits it better than him. He's only 20 years old. He's got great knee bend. He can really move laterally. He's going to get better."

Jackson, a 6-foot-6, 310-pound Phoenix native, was a two-year starter at left tackle at USC, where his grandfather, Melvin, won a 1974 national championship. NFL.com's Lance Zierlein compares Jackson to Arizona's D.J. Humphries, who struggled initially but had a strong 2019 season and, just last week, signed a lucrative contract extension. He calls Jackson "raw but gifted."

"He's scheme-diverse with potential guard flexibility if he improves his strength," Zierlein writes. "He could become an early starter but may offer a wider split between floor and ceiling than some teams might like."

Jackson made headlines before his junior season when he donated his bone marrow to his ailing sister, Autumn, who suffers from Diamond Blackfan Anemia. The procedure prevented Jackson from participating in much of USC's offseason workouts and limited him in a number of aspects throughout his final season.

Jeremiah believes Jackson's stock will ascend now that he's more than seven months removed from the procedure.

"Obviously speaks to the kind of brother he is and his character," Jeremiah said. "But the loss of that offseason, he just needs to get physically stronger, but as a 20-year-old with that type of athletic ability, the upside is really endless. And I think he's somebody that maybe people are sleeping on a little bit at this point in time.

"I have a feeling once we come out of the Combine, Austin Jackson will be a name that Cleveland Browns will keep an eye on."

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Just from the description, this sounds like a guy I'd like to have fall in the draft and snag him with a later pick.


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Dane Brugler did his first mock draft in December and had the Browns taking Jackson at #15 before the finals drafts slots were in place.

In his mock in February, Brugler had the Titans taking Jackson with the 29th pick in the 1st round.

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Josh Jones, Houston, is another LT prospect I'm interested in if there's a run on the top 4 LTs before we pick. I don't think we'd take him (or Austin Jackson) at #10, though. Maybe after a trade down.

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That's the guy I've been pimping! I want to get him with our 2nd pick


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With these current offensive schemes and tendencies, everybody is looking for the hybrid-defender. Derwyn James and Simmons represent the ideal for this kind of player although I'd put Mathieu in the same category. A chess piece to be moved where needed on a play-by-play basis. The value of this type of player is rising in the league. It requires a rare skill set to cover TE's, slot guys or RBs in the passing game and also be able to fill gaps in the run defense or be in the mix to rush the passer when called on.

I thought that was why we drafted Peppers.


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With these current offensive schemes and tendencies, everybody is looking for the hybrid-defender. Derwyn James and Simmons represent the ideal for this kind of player although I'd put Mathieu in the same category. A chess piece to be moved where needed on a play-by-play basis. The value of this type of player is rising in the league. It requires a rare skill set to cover TE's, slot guys or RBs in the passing game and also be able to fill gaps in the run defense or be in the mix to rush the passer when called on.

I thought that was why we drafted Peppers.


What I posted might have been some or all of the reasons for drafting Peppers. Since I didn't draft him I can't say that with certainty. There were also reasons for trading Peppers, who I thought was showing promise at the time he was placed in that deal.

In any event, here we are in 2020 and we need a SS and one with position versatility/ hybrid skills would be beneficial to the defense. Past transactions don't change that.

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Got'cha. I have looked at Simmons, don't see him lasting til 10, but stranger things have happened. Like that Louisville tackle too.


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Simmons is the only player that would make me consider another position other than OT at 10.

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No doubt, if he's there at 10.


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Let me propose this: I've been yelling from the treetops to do..

Get Conklin FA, put him at RT. Take what our board says to take at 10. Then draft Jackson at the top of the 2nd, put him at LT, I'm hoping and assuming he'll last to our 2nd round pick.


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Josh Jones, Houston, is another LT prospect I'm interested in if there's a run on the top 4 LTs before we pick. I don't think we'd take him (or Austin Jackson) at #10, though. Maybe after a trade down.


I like Josh Jones a lot. I think he'll have a long NFL career. Lots of athleticism.

PFF had Jones graded at a 93.2 in 2019.

For reference:

Andrew Thomas: PFF grade - 92.4 (76.7 pass blocking grade)
Jedrick Wills Jr: PFF grade - 86.9
Tristan Wirfs: PFF grade - 91.3
Meckhi Becton: PFF grade - 81.3 (64.3 pass blocking grade).

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j/c:

If the Browns don't go after a FS in FA, Ashton Davis is a guy to keep an eye on.

There are a ton of reports about him, but they vary so much that they are almost worthless. I think this one is pretty fair:

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/ashtyn-davis?id=32194441-5616-3785-71b6-36de3d91d151

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I think so too. He’s been someone who I’ve liked seen linked to us


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Logan Wilson, LB, Wyoming is a name to watch if Joe isn't back (as it seems to be continuing to trend.)

Former DB, good in coverage, four year starter usually leading his team in tackles. Nice combine.


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This is without a doubt the year of the OT in this 2020 draft class.

There are many out there big and fast. Some more raw then others. We just might have Becton or Wirfs waiting for us at #10 Actually I wish us to take one at #10 but then in the 3rd round where we have 2 picks...I'd like for us to take another. Kid from Boise should be there among others.


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Antoine Winfield Jr is one of my guys now. He's not exactly a honey badger clone, but he is pretty darn close on the field.

Not ideal size, but he is just an athletic, instinctive playmaker and a guy teammates seem to gravitate towards. While he's not tall, he's not small. He's built pretty thick. While his numbers don't jump out of the gym, they show up in full on the field. His range is better than longer guys who jump higher in shorts.

Wills in the 1st and Winfield in the 2nd is sounding pretty good to me right now.


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The OL talk is flat out absurd. The Browns had Joe Thomas, Alex Mack and Mitchell Schwartz and went 3-13. No QB means lots of losing. Mayfield was sacked the 9th most times tied with Jimmy G and Ryan Fitzpatrick and every single one of the QBs sacked more than him and same as him had superior, and in most cases far superior numbers than Mayfield. Its not the OL its the QB. Could it be improved absolutely but to waste the 10th pick on the draft on a LT is absurd

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The OL talk is flat out absurd. The Browns had Joe Thomas, Alex Mack and Mitchell Schwartz and went 3-13. No QB means lots of losing. Mayfield was sacked the 9th most times tied with Jimmy G and Ryan Fitzpatrick and every single one of the QBs sacked more than him and same as him had superior, and in most cases far superior numbers than Mayfield. Its not the OL its the QB. Could it be improved absolutely but to waste the 10th pick on the draft on a LT is absurd
Yes, I am sure every scout, draft nut, scout, and GM in football all incorrect in the thinking that protecting your QB is not important and "absurd".

That's why the vast majority of teams in the NFL value QB, Pass Rusher, and then LT as the most prized pieces of a team with a shut down Corner after that.

You must be a Steeler fan with the amount of knowledge you possess on building a roster.

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The OL talk is flat out absurd. The Browns had Joe Thomas, Alex Mack and Mitchell Schwartz and went 3-13. No QB means lots of losing. Mayfield was sacked the 9th most times tied with Jimmy G and Ryan Fitzpatrick and every single one of the QBs sacked more than him and same as him had superior, and in most cases far superior numbers than Mayfield. Its not the OL its the QB. Could it be improved absolutely but to waste the 10th pick on the draft on a LT is absurd
Yes, I am sure every scout, draft nut, scout, and GM in football all incorrect in the thinking that protecting your QB is not important and "absurd".

That's why the vast majority of teams in the NFL value QB, Pass Rusher, and then LT as the most prized pieces of a team with a shut down Corner after that.

You must be a Steeler fan with the amount of knowledge you possess on building a roster.


Judging by his pic, I think it's a better bet that he's more of a baseball fan who thinks we should draft a centerfielder.


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The OL talk is flat out absurd. The Browns had Joe Thomas, Alex Mack and Mitchell Schwartz and went 3-13. No QB means lots of losing. Mayfield was sacked the 9th most times tied with Jimmy G and Ryan Fitzpatrick and every single one of the QBs sacked more than him and same as him had superior, and in most cases far superior numbers than Mayfield. Its not the OL its the QB. Could it be improved absolutely but to waste the 10th pick on the draft on a LT is absurd
Yes, I am sure every scout, draft nut, scout, and GM in football all incorrect in the thinking that protecting your QB is not important and "absurd".

That's why the vast majority of teams in the NFL value QB, Pass Rusher, and then LT as the most prized pieces of a team with a shut down Corner after that.

You must be a Steeler fan with the amount of knowledge you possess on building a roster.


Judging by his pic, I think it's a better bet that he's more of a baseball fan who thinks we should draft BUY a centerfielder.


Fixed it for you.

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Wirfs/Willis/Thomas/Becton OL
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The OL talk is flat out absurd. The Browns had Joe Thomas, Alex Mack and Mitchell Schwartz and went 3-13. No QB means lots of losing. Mayfield was sacked the 9th most times tied with Jimmy G and Ryan Fitzpatrick and every single one of the QBs sacked more than him and same as him had superior, and in most cases far superior numbers than Mayfield. Its not the OL its the QB. Could it be improved absolutely but to waste the 10th pick on the draft on a LT is absurd


What is absurd is your way of thinking.
1. yes QB is the most important position in NFL football. If we had that OL as you mentioned 3 out of the 5 being solid at their positions. Not a complete OL still our QB sucked ergo our poor record.

We finally got a good QB who by his standards did not play well and yet had a terrible OL and garnished 6 wins. Imagine if we got him a solid OL imagine Chubb n Hunt with a "SOLID" OL imagine OBJ Landry and Njoku with a SOLID OL.

What an OL does is give every skill position on the offense an opportunity to perform at the top of their capacity.

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Round 1: Wills or Thomas depending on if we go left or right for tackle. Though I still dream of Isaiah Simmons.

Round 2: Antoine Winfield or Bryce Hall for me, but I'm higher on Hall than just about everyone smile
Though my preference is still to look to package maybe our 41 and 73 to get up around the 27th pick for Josh Jones and come out of day one:

10) Isaiah Simmons
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Oh if Simmons is there at 10, he’s gotta be the pick IMO


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A late add-on to my list of guys.

Marlon Davidson, with tape breakdown courtesy of Voch Lombardi.


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I want an LT at 10, the best we can get. Hoping it will be that left tackle, the Thomas fella. I Iike what I read about him and it’d be good Karma.


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I've become a huge fan of those Lombardi videos. They're informative and hilarious. Videos on guys he likes tend to just be very informative highlight videos, but that's fine.


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My guys, without a doubt a LT there are several good ones closely rated to each other. My order

1. Wirfs, Thomas, Wills & Becton...only one worth moving back up into the first round to get would be Josh Jones. But anyone of the 4 listed in that order shown by my preference is WHO I WANT for this team to move on to Glory!

2. The guy I want is Yetur Gross-Matos but usually guys I want are long gone.

I guess I would want a very good Safety: McKinney, Winfield or Chinn - Chinn is the sleeper who might have the best upside...all depends on how coachable he is. The only problem I see is that he has a hesitation to open up the hips when he has man coverage. But excellent size speed combo and that 41 inch vertical leap is amazing I like him better and better. Maybe surpassing Winfield as my #2 safety. for me McKinney is there when we pick in the 2nd round we run up with the card and that is only if Gross-Matos is gone.

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Tab,

I know you are an "OL Guy" so I ask you - and anyone else for that matter - do you think Wirfs will max out as a G?

Short-ish arms and such.

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I certainly don't think he projects well as a LT.


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Tab,

I know you are an "OL Guy" so I ask you - and anyone else for that matter - do you think Wirfs will max out as a G?

Short-ish arms and such.


Willie: Do you have this actual data?


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Tab,

I know you are an "OL Guy" so I ask you - and anyone else for that matter - do you think Wirfs will max out as a G?

Short-ish arms and such.


Willie: Do you have this actual data?


Here's a link from nfl.com

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/tristan-wirfs?id=32195749-5237-0129-a756-9a5ceb881ea0

I've read the short-ish arm thing and his projection as a G on other sites. I wouldn't even try to make my own eval as I wouldn't know what to look for.

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