What is Klobuchar's message? I've heard her say she's never lost an election, she's a woman, she's from the midwest... beyond that where has she differentiated herself? Serious question.
What is Klobuchar's message? I've heard her say she's never lost an election, she's a woman, she's from the midwest... beyond that where has she differentiated herself? Serious question.
Have you seen much of her ? She interviews well, she is smart and articulate.
I'm not on her band wagon or off it. But she strikes me as capable.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
I'm beginning to think English isn't your first language.
The statement Vaught made was in regards to an in-house theological debate at a private Christian school. Where do you see a political issue in theological debates between Christians in a private Christian institution?
If you ask me, I think every time somebody invokes god or Jesus in public during a debate on political issues or other logical rational adult conversation, you should be allowed to beat them with a stick. Invoking fictional characters and their rules to life... how are sane people supposed to argue against that?
Sane people don't argue about that. Only insane people do
Believe what you want - but don't expect to be able to run for public office if you are a preach religious intolerance based on your faith being the only right faith.
In that case no atheist can run for public office as they preach against all religions and insist there way is the only way. Talk about religious intolerance
In the very, most basic layman's terms, all religions believe THEY are the ONE and ONLY path to God and Heaven. If ALL peoples of religion go around "shouting" about what they believe and preaching/posting/bragging/antagonizing people of other faith for being godless/wrong/deficient ..... I think that is a problem. It is the opposite of religious tolerance. Be them Muslim, Hindi, Urdu, Buddhist or Christian.
Believe what you want - but don't expect to be able to run for public office if you are a preach religious intolerance based on your faith being the only right faith. And to back that up - if a baker can discriminate against Gays in the name of religion and it is 'fair' - then whoever wants separation of Religion and Govt can/should have an equal voice.
Faulty argument because Vaught did not discriminate against anyone
If you think Vaught would discriminate based on his views, then I’ll give you one better. I can pull up numerous examples of people being fired from their jobs due to holding a traditional view of marriage.
According to the logic some apply to Vaught, (that because he holds a view that some use to discriminate against others, they say he will discriminate), then by the same logic, anyone in office who disagrees with traditional view of marriage will also discriminate.
In the very, most basic layman's terms, all religions believe THEY are the ONE and ONLY path to God and Heaven. If ALL peoples of religion go around "shouting" about what they believe and preaching/posting/bragging/antagonizing people of other faith for being godless/wrong/deficient ..... I think that is a problem. It is the opposite of religious tolerance. Be them Muslim, Hindi, Urdu, Buddhist or Christian.
Believe what you want - but don't expect to be able to run for public office if you are a preach religious intolerance based on your faith being the only right faith. And to back that up - if a baker can discriminate against Gays in the name of religion and it is 'fair' - then whoever wants separation of Religion and Govt can/should have an equal voice.
Vaught did not use his beliefs to discriminate against anyone. Sanders on the other hand discriminated against Vaught based on his views stated in an in house theological debate.
It’s no different than excluding someone for holding a traditional view of marriage or two gender. Libs will say “ it’s disrespectful to gays or trans people”. And being pro life says they is disrespectful to women. So basically every time you disagree with the liberals topics, you are being disrespectful, so it would not be surprising if all traditional marriage proponents, and all pro life proponents, and all two genders proponents will be marginalized, (already happening), and will be censured, eventually to be prosecuted for hate. Speech
That is what far left liberalism is fighting for. And will Probably get eventually
If you ask me, I think every time somebody invokes god or Jesus in public during a debate on political issues or other logical rational adult conversation, you should be allowed to beat them with a stick. Invoking fictional characters and their rules to life... how are sane people supposed to argue against that?
Sane people don't argue about that. Only insane people do
Only people with darkened understanding believe in a self created kosmos
If you ask me, I think every time somebody invokes god or Jesus in public during a debate on political issues or other logical rational adult conversation, you should be allowed to beat them with a stick. Invoking fictional characters and their rules to life... how are sane people supposed to argue against that?
Translation. George Washington, John Adams, Abraham Lincoln, Isaac Newton, Pasteur, William Wilberforce, George Washington Carver, etc.. all insane. Lol
If you ask me, I think every time somebody invokes god or Jesus in public during a debate on political issues or other logical rational adult conversation, you should be allowed to beat them with a stick. Invoking fictional characters and their rules to life... how are sane people supposed to argue against that?
Atheist Taliban, got it. You are excluded from ever running for political office.
The Conmunists did what you are suggesting. Now you want that in America
They actually invoked keeping religion and government separate from each other. Giving everyone the freedom to follow or not follow any religion they so chose to follow.
Not inflict one religious teaching into our laws in order to force their beliefs on the entire nation.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
In the very, most basic layman's terms, all religions believe THEY are the ONE and ONLY path to God and Heaven. If ALL peoples of religion go around "shouting" about what they believe and preaching/posting/bragging/antagonizing people of other faith for being godless/wrong/deficient ..... I think that is a problem. It is the opposite of religious tolerance. Be them Muslim, Hindi, Urdu, Buddhist or Christian.
Believe what you want - but don't expect to be able to run for public office if you are a preach religious intolerance based on your faith being the only right faith. And to back that up - if a baker can discriminate against Gays in the name of religion and it is 'fair' - then whoever wants separation of Religion and Govt can/should have an equal voice.
Vaught did not use his beliefs to discriminate against anyone. Sanders on the other hand discriminated against Vaught based on his views stated in an in house theological debate.
It’s no different than excluding someone for holding a traditional view of marriage or two gender. Libs will say “ it’s disrespectful to gays or trans people”. And being pro life says they is disrespectful to women. So basically every time you disagree with the liberals topics, you are being disrespectful, so it would not be surprising if all traditional marriage proponents, and all pro life proponents, and all two genders proponents will be marginalized, (already happening), and will be censured, eventually to be prosecuted for hate. Speech
That is what far left liberalism is fighting for. And will Probably get eventually
Dude, the Soviet communist’s are pulling trump’s strings right now and you can’t even see it. Pfft the trump era. We got people like you to deal with now. Geez what a mess.
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
I can express my views because I live in Texas and my employers are conservative. If I worked for libs, I would be fired for what I say on Facebook. Many people fired for having a traditional view of marriage, for example. Google it. Educate yourself. Some of you didn’t even know Sanders position on abortion up to birth. Lol
If you ask me, I think every time somebody invokes god or Jesus in public during a debate on political issues or other logical rational adult conversation, you should be allowed to beat them with a stick. Invoking fictional characters and their rules to life... how are sane people supposed to argue against that?
Atheist Taliban, got it. You are excluded from ever running for political office.
The Conmunists did what you are suggesting. Now you want that in America
Mostly just for people like you. We do a lot worse to foreign terrorist.
Let me explain to you where your side went wrong here. Do you know or understand what "right to work" laws are? It's a law that has been passed instates that allows an employer to fire you for any reason they see fit. It could be your hair color even.
So now Republicans got what they want. Now you're whining about it because you're becoming the victim of the very law you supported of being created.
It seems you may be confused about the difference in posting your political views and hate speech.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Let me explain to you where your side went wrong here. Do you know or understand what "right to work" laws are? It's a law that has been passed instates that allows an employer to fire you for any reason they see fit. It could be your hair color even.
So now Republicans got what they want. Now you're whining about it because you're becoming the victim of the very law you supported of being created.
It seems you may be confused about the difference in posting your political views and hate speech.
See what I mean? You think holding a traditional view of marriage is hate speech. You just made my point for me. Thank you.
Traditional view of marriage- accused of being a homophobe
Two gender view. Accused of transphobia
Pro life. Accused of missogeny
If you say Jesus only way to God, you’re a discriminator
If you disagree with libs, they pull out the hate speech card every time
Meaning...libs are thought police Btw, nice strawman earlier. I never said I can’t say what I want. I said libs are actively trying to take that away from me
He blackballe Vaught for religious views stated in an academic setting at a private religious institution
And you think what Vaught said is hate speech? If libs feel that way, how long will it be before Libs try to ban the Bible? Or ban teaching certain parts of The Bible
You keep exposing why leftism is dangerous to American liberties
You think employers should have a right to SPECIFICLLY fire someone for stating how they stand on a political issue?
According to the "right to work" laws Republicans helped promote and pass, they do have that right.
I don't like right to work laws. I don't like the idea of people being punished for their personal views. But I've always been one to promote workers right.
If you don't like the way these laws are set up, I think you need to take that up with Republican law makers. They're the ones who promoted will to work laws.
I am however for employers not wanting to be associated with hate speech. And before you go all off your rocker again, no I don't think the single incident you use to try and make your point is hate speech.
I'm also not convinced that was the sole reason he was fired.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
They actually invoked keeping religion and government separate from each other. Giving everyone the freedom to follow or not follow any religion they so chose to follow.
Not inflict one religious teaching into our laws in order to force their beliefs on the entire nation.
Another Red Herring. It smells like fish here.
Nothing you said had ANYTHING to do with what I’m saying. Something that Vaught said in a academic, theological setting is no such thing as you describe
Your argument is incoherent and not even relevant to what I’m saying
So let me see if I get this right. You blast Sanders for being against something Vought wrote that's against another religion? So it's not actually about someone who has a bad opinion of religion, it's about which religion they take issue with. It seems Vought is guilty of the same thing you are accusing sanders of.
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Sanders took issue with a piece Vought wrote in January 2016 about a fight at the nominee’s alma mater, Wheaton College. The Christian school had fired a political-science professor, Larycia Hawkins, for a Facebook post intended to express solidarity with Muslims. Vought disagreed with Hawkins’s post and defended the school in an article for the conservative website The Resurgent. During the hearing, Sanders repeatedly quoted one passage that he found particularly objectionable:
Muslims do not simply have a deficient theology. They do not know God because they have rejected Jesus Christ his Son, and they stand condemned.
So let me see if I get this right. You blast Sanders for being against something Vought wrote that's against another religion? So it's not actually about someone who has a bad opinion of religion, it's about which religion they take issue with. It seems Vought is guilty of the same thing you are accusing sanders of.
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Sanders took issue with a piece Vought wrote in January 2016 about a fight at the nominee’s alma mater, Wheaton College. The Christian school had fired a political-science professor, Larycia Hawkins, for a Facebook post intended to express solidarity with Muslims. Vought disagreed with Hawkins’s post and defended the school in an article for the conservative website The Resurgent. During the hearing, Sanders repeatedly quoted one passage that he found particularly objectionable:
Muslims do not simply have a deficient theology. They do not know God because they have rejected Jesus Christ his Son, and they stand condemned.
So you have no problem with religious persecution depending on who is doing it and where it is being done.
Where do you see discrimination here? Does that mean when you say My belief in God is fictional, that you are discriminating against me? And is what you said hate speech?
Let’s see if you have the capacity to argue consistently.
You think employers should have a right to SPECIFICLLY fire someone for stating how they stand on a political issue?
According to the "right to work" laws Republicans helped promote and pass, they do have that right.
I don't like right to work laws. I don't like the idea of people being punished for their personal views. But I've always been one to promote workers right.
If you don't like the way these laws are set up, I think you need to take that up with Republican law makers. They're the ones who promoted will to work laws.
I am however for employers not wanting to be associated with hate speech. And before you go all off your rocker again, no I don't think the single incident you use to try and make your point is hate speech.
I'm also not convinced that was the sole reason he was fired.
What Vaught said is not hate speech either.
It’s actually what the Bible teaches.
So if you think what he said is hate speech, you think the Bible is hate speech. And in so doing, you are discriminating, by your definition
He blocked him due to his religious beliefs, which are consistent with his scripture.
No he did not. He was confirmed by the Senate on February 28, 2018 in a 50–49 vote. Your claim is false.
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But when he said my beliefs are fictional, is that hate speech
I don't believe the word fictional attacks any one religion. However, Vought's comments do....
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They do not know God because they have rejected Jesus Christ his Son, and they stand condemned.
Oh, you missed the part of how can sane people respond to such people, huh?
Read the following carefully and thoughtfully, not emotively
Sanders attempt to block him shows the lefts intolerance of evangelicals
Vaughn’s statement was not an attack. It was a statement defending the statement of faith of Wheaton College, which is based on scripture. And it was not an attack specifically on Moslems for because He made it clear that ALL people who reject Christ are condemned, regardless of what religion they are. Even some “Christians” are condemned, because they pay lip service to Him but reject Him in action
The reason he said Moslem is because a staff member at Wheaton said Christians and Moslems worship the same God, which is contrary to both scripture and the school’s statement of faith. Do you need me to show you incontrovertibly that Islam and Christians do not worship the same God
It was an in house theological debate. Noting more. ? Sanders, bumblehead blew it out of proportion and out of context
So Bernie didn't stop him from getting the job. So Bernie didn't block him from anything and yet here you are still rambling on about it.
I'm not really a fan of any religious zealot being a part of government. I have no problem with people of differing religious beliefs holding government offices however. There's a difference.
So you keep going on about Bernie objecting to a man who obviously degraded a religion that was not his own. That's the world we live in now. Only your religion counts. Everyone else is going to hell. I mean that's what Vought said about Muslims.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Vaught did not degrade Islam. Let me bullet point it for you
A. Wheaton college is a private, Christian institution that has a STATEMENT OF FAITH
B. The statement of faith is based on the Bible
C the Bible and also Wheatons statement of faith states that all men are lost and condemned unless they believe in Gods Son
D. Islam denies Jesus is Gods Son. To believe God has a Son to Islam is shirk, which is the same as being condemned
E. A professer at Wheaton said that Moslems and Christians worship the same God, a statement that is not only contrary to Wheatons statement of faith, but also contrary to the Bible and the Quran
F. Vaught merely defended Wheatons statement of faith on Biblical grounds. It was not meant to be a political statement or even a polemic. It was a defense of his alma Mater’s statement of faith
G. This statement should never have been made a political issue. Seperation of church and state means government should not pry into these types of issues
G. Sanders did all he could to block Vaught, by taking all of this out of context. Meaning that Sanders lacks objectivity on this matter, and is therefore not fit for office, IMO
He didn’t even let Vaught talk. He kept interupting, because he was not interested in truth, but his party’s agenda
