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This is where Bernie loses me.... blaming billionaires... when he's in the top one percent himself... it's all the billionaires fault...

yea, bernie attacking bloomberg on being successful is gonna be a problem in the generals.

Exactly. He is a hypocrite and a communist. He just wants to give everyone a hand out, he a danger and an evil to the economy and the country as a whole.

damn, bloomberg dropped the C word on Bernie.

It;s the how much wealth do you need argument. A greed test.

You can't have raise of wages, universal healthcare, put up 800 billion dollars. This ding bat Warren, what, does she think we have 100 trillion dollars laying around. She is a straight up dumbass!

Bloomberg shouldn't be elected but he hit his stride during those last few minutes...

Calling Bernie a communist in the debate! He just got a 10% bump from that. These fools don't understand the Bernie is the most popular politician in the country. Tio Bernie!

there you go bernie. recovered nicely by bringing up the corporate welfare that goes on in this country.

Now the Socialist shot from the panel! Get em Bernie!

Bernie didn't answer the question.

Notice when Bernie got going and was owning it, the panelist shut him down.

thats the thing that bloomberg has a point about, he just cant articulate it well.

we got a bunch of people on the stage who are in congress that havent done their part to make sure the tax code is written fairly. they're pointing the finger at him but they have direct influence in the senate.

Raise you hand if you think Bloomberg would raise taxes on the rich....

Bernie can't answer that one, he's in trouble.

Bernie wants to tax them! You have to pass these things in congress. Pete claiming he used to be a bernie supporter. Not believing it.

Liz dropping bombs.

After the break, Pete had a strong response on Bloomberg. But then he accused Bernie of wanting to burn the house down... smh

Man no love lost between Amy and Pete...

Pete just smacked her bad on the English hit.

What this country wants is a leader, not you.

Well there you have it. If Bernie has the most delegates going into the convention but not enough to be the nominee, they all agree the establishment will steal it from him.

I think Pete and Liz will tick up a little after tonight. I think Joe will fall more. He started out sharp but looked bad late. I think Bernie will stay in the lead but not sure if he will move any. Bloomberg and Amy both takes hits.

The average net worth of the Democratic candidates that were on stage tonight was $10,670,850,000.

Is Bernie Sanders going to give his "fair share?"

Do the Math: Sanders Won't Have Enough Delegates Before the
Convention to Clinch It



By Rick Moran

February 19, 2020


He hasn't won any delegates and probably won't win many before Super Tuesday on March 3. But the Michael Bloomberg campaign is telling other Democratic candidates to drop out so that he can go one-on-one with Bernie Sanders -- and save the Democratic Party from itself.

IJR:

“The fact is if the state of this race remains status quo — with Biden, Pete and Amy in the race on Super Tuesday — Bernie is likely to open up a delegate lead that seems nearly impossible to overcome,” Kevin Sheekey, Bloomberg’s top strategist, told Axios. “I don’t think many people understand the dire circumstances here.”

Obama's 2008 campaign manager David Plouffe agrees:

The Washington Post calls Sanders "uncatchable," but is he a sure thing to win the nomination? The math says he can't lock up the nomination before the convention.

And the reasons are varied, but you can start with the Democratic Party itself, which appears to have a talent for trivializing the momentous and complicating the obvious.

Those rules were clearly not designed for a situation like the one in which the party finds itself. Setting aside the self-serving argument by Bloomberg’s camp, the party is in fact headed toward a bizarre scenario. It could wind up with a clear front-runner in the delegate count — who is nonetheless unable to clinch a majority of the delegates, and therefore the nomination, before the party’s convention.

The key here is the 15 percent threshold that a candidate must reach in order to get any delegates at all. The delegates will be awarded proportionally, with better-performing candidates getting more delegates. But if you don't get 15 percent, you get nothing.

Nate Silver ran the numbers and came up with some pretty shocking results.

By the end of Super Tuesday, FiveThirtyEight estimates that Sanders will have earned about 4 out of 10 delegates that will have been awarded.

But remember: To clinch the nomination, candidates need to earn a bit more than 50 percent of the delegates awarded after New Hampshire. While Sanders is projected to have a lead, the percentage of the rest of the delegates he needs to win will have gotten bigger. Right now he needs to win 50.3 percent of the remaining delegates. If he does as well as projected on Super Tuesday, he will have won only a bit over 40 percent of the delegates to that point, well off the 50-percent-plus pace. After Super Tuesday, then, he will need to win more than 56 percent of the remaining delegates, in part because there are far fewer delegates remaining.

If it's still a three-person race after Super Tuesday, Sanders won't even come close. And even if he's one-on-one against Bloomberg, a guy who has more money than Midas isn't going to lose by a lot. Bloomberg will keep it close largely because there are so many Democrats who know that a Sanders victory would destroy the party.

And if Bloomberg gets tired of spending his own money, he can always tap Biden's bundlers.

CNBC:

Key fundraisers are jumping ship from Joe Biden’s struggling presidential campaign to instead support Mike Bloomberg’s ascending candidacy.

The development comes amid growing concerns within Biden’s affluent donor network that the former vice president is struggling to convince voters that he can defeat Sen. Bernie Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist, for the Democratic nomination. The financiers are also impressed with Bloomberg’s self-funded operation.

It's an open question where the ceiling of support is for Bernie Sanders. Is it 35-40 percent? Or 40-45 percent? It's almost certainly not 50 percent. As long as there are a dozen candidates running, Sanders won't be able to crack 30 percent, much less 50.

In 2016, anti-Trump Republicans -- mostly -- fell in line to support Trump at the convention. Will that happen if Bernie Sanders ends up having a clear majority of the delegates but not enough to clinch it?

With "unity" being the party's watchword in the fall, it's very likely that most Democrats will swallow their tongues and eventually accept Sanders as the nominee. The alternative would mean chaos at the convention and the re-election of Donald Trump.


https://pjmedia.com/election/do-the-math...n-to-clinch-it/

I know you struggle sometimes, so let me help you out, with a small number of delegates, and one delegate worth 64 billion dollars, talking about average net worth is completely, totally, my numbingly pointless. It's about as relevant as the 23rd number of pi

But carry on, don't let logic or facts get in the way of your Trump rhetoric and propaganda

https://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-net-worth-assets-house-salary-book-sales-2019-2

people seem to have a problem with Bernie talking about billionaires contributing more, and look to his fantastic wealth and say he's a hypocrite. Having a net worth of $2 million is light years away from being a billionaire. fairly confident we have several people on this board who have a higher net worth than Bernie Sanders and they're considerably younger. But you know carry on with the propaganda if you feel inclined.

So, last nights debates:

Warren and Bernie shined.

Biden looks old.

Klobuchar.....she doesn’t hand criticism very well.

Pete came off super corporate like a Ken doll.

And we all watched Bloomberg get executed by firing squad.

That's how I feel. Warren might actually dip into Bernie's lead after last night.

For a while I was convinced it was an SNL skit, and was expecting them to break into a wrestling match

Just give me more of grumpy great-grandpa vs the Speed Bag. That was entertaining.

And you wonder why Bernie supporters are getting a bad name. You've attacked every opponent he faces in this thread.

Bernie is only electable according to the screaming far left progessives. Everyone else knows better.

That's an easy thing to do when he walks around with a can of gas and a box of matches.

Everything you just said is completely irrelevant. You also didn't answer my question.

When one person is worth 64 billion, it certainly skews the numbers. I'm certainly not a Bernie supporter by any means. However, if he raises taxes on millionaires and billionaires, yet, his taxes would increase too.

Watching the train wreck that is Bloomy, I was reminded of when they pulled back the curtain to see the great and powerful OZ, only to find a wee turd of a man.

MUST SPEND MO MONEY!!!

That man was elected president in 2016.

Then Bernie praises the healthcare system he wants to abolish!

"Thank you, Las Vegas, for the excellent medical care I got in the hospital for two days," said the 78-year-old senator of the treatment he received at the Desert Springs Hospital Medical Center in Nevada, after suffering a heart attack on Oct 1.

It's the cost he has a problem with.

Well as long as they practice as they preach, which has not been in the past. I've heard on certain laws people in congress get exceptions which is BS.

To me there are a whole bunch of economic reasons why socialism doesn't work but just from a logistics and track record standpoint the government is >20 trillion dollars in debt. That's what they've done so far with the money we give them in taxes. People want to give them more?

WAIT? WHAT?