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Have a good night bro. And you can wreck it Ralph, because I'll be back to school you.

Great post.... thanks for this... I thought it was pretty insightful

I thought Biden was going to win, but I'm surprised he won by 29 points. Just earlier this week the polls had Biden and Bernie tied. Last week Bernie was leading in the polls. Biden did nothing to improve his poll numbers, yet pulls off a 29 point smackdown? Was the last minute clyburn endorsement the difference? The polls just that wrong? Some dark money spending I don't know about? Hell last week I though Biden was headed to the old folks home, he sounded like he couldn't complete a thought competently. Then this week he sounded much better, still not great, but damn 29 points?

I still think Bernie's got a lock on Tuesday but if Biden performs this well again in a handful of red states, it's going to be a race. Steyer got out tonight which could help Biden, Bernie, or Pete. He was pulling about 7-15% of the votes, so that is going to go somewhere.

LOL, Crazy Bernie and Sleepy Joe are all you have to work with???

ROFL!!!!!!!!

THE WHY THE HELL DID YOU ASK ME TO COMMENT ON THEM?

you went from asking about southern black voters to a whole GD post basically dismissing them altogether.

great message your sending there, bro. GREAT message...smh.



the results in SC say im not wrong. Steyer ended up 2% behind Sanders with the southern black vote. not only did i call it, but that should be eye opening to you.




DT, anybody see this? OCD just gave me the PC version of PUTTING A CAP ON PEOPLE'S SUCCESS.

this isnt the 50's. we are never gonna return to the glory days of the 50's, economically. its gone, never coming back, stop bringing it up. you sound like these MAGA hatters unable to let go of the past. stuck in that mentality, trying to take the country backwards when we need to be moving forward.

southern black people, and black americans OVERALL, dont want resources TAKEN from someone else and given to us or anybody else. we just want more opportunities created. wealthy people and corporations need to pay their fair share. i literally have NEVER argued against that. i argue against some stupid ass wealth tax, though.

you over here arguing about things you and i were already in agreement over, yet the moment you ask me SPECIFICALLY about southern black voters, you forget all of it.

sad.

southern black voters have had too many instances throughout american history on having white people keep them down or tell them they arent good enough. so while Bernie has the feel good intention of trying to balance out the inequality, for southern black people, they are HIGHLY skeptical of another white dude with a savior complex.

they dont exactly have a sterling record when it comes to that in this country.

we want the same economic freedom that whites have. we do NOT want restrictions on our potential. and when a guy comes along talking about "no more billionaires" and make all the wealthy pay for it, the message is that everybody is now gonna be restricted on their potential to earn.

look at me, even though im not a southern black voter. im trying to have the balls to make this an all out business with real estate. i, like so many of my friends, DREAMED since i was a teenager of being like Trump (obviously before everybody knew his true background and birther crap). having money and cars and a successful business. it sucks thinking that from all the crap ive been through in life, when i FINALLY make it, some dude is going to come along a go "hey reggie, thanks for being successful, now i want half your [censored]."

there's making wealthy people pay their fair share, and then there's punishing people for being successful. Bernie sanders comes off as the guy who wants to punish people for making it in life.

Bill clinton was successful, especially with southern black voters because he made our communities economically better without screwing every one else over, and im not even close to a Bill clinton supporter. Bernie could learn a thing or two from that.



then you need to start being a bit more vocal about that, because thats not the message you've been sending on this board.



how is calling someone 'dark chocolate' being rude? European women love that stuff

there's ALWAYS a consequence to policies, no matter how solid you think they are. and a lot of those feel good policies help white suburbs, but destroy ours.



again, you ask me ABOUT A SPECIFIC DEMOGRAPHIC. you didnt ask me to comment on northern black voters. you didnt ask me to comment on the overall black vote or minority communities in general. you ask me to comment on SOUTHERN BLACK VOTERS.

i know its hard to follow the bouncing ball, but when you ask me about a specific comment, i tailor my responses for that topic.

i dunno how many times i have to tell you im fine if Bernie is the nominee. but you should already know im not a bernie bro, so yes, i will NATURALLY push back on some of the crap he's saying, because he wasnt my #1 candidate.

good lord.

That says it all right there. Something or someone new/different scares them, so they double down on the devils they know. Sounds like republicans to me.




Ok Dagesh, no need to bring him into it.

If that's your take away from Swish's post ... maybe grab a coffee and re-read it more slowly.

I brought this up in my previous post. I know a lot of blacks here in SC. Some professionally and others have become friends. What Swish is saying is very true. There are a lot of misconceptions on the majority of southern blacks.

I read and understood everything he said, but where is the fun in agreeing with him or accepting the explanation when centrists dems regardless of color have it all wrong?

Saying Bernie wants to punish or cap success because he wants to reverse 40+ years of wealth being transferred to the top is ridiculous. Everything that gets complained about on both sides here like good paying jobs, jobs sent overseas, stagnant wages, too many taxes, too much regulation, not enough regulation, corporate welfare, do nothing congress/government, etc. all stems from the 1% and corporations manipulating the system to buy politicians and have legislation drawn to benefit them. How many tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires have we seen under republicans? Dems do it too! Because the money the elite pour into DC is the alter our politicians worship at.

No matter how much my young friend wants to believe he has a legit shot at becoming a billionaire or even a millionaire, the system is rigged to keep him from doing that. If hard work and determination was all it took, we'd be up to our necks in 1%ers, only they wouldn't be special if they were that common. And I'm fully aware most will argue that the American dream is still alive and well, but I've lived long enough to know it's nowhere near as possible as it was 40 years ago.

The poor and working poor are prey to these people, just insignificant lives with little to no value. The middle class was a smourgusboard of wealth waiting to be gobbled up by corrupt men and businesses. With profit being the singular almighty driving force for the last 40 years, law after law, rule after rule, barrier after barrier were put in place to extract wealth from the bottom to the top and to insure that club remained exclusive. Going back to the status quo isn't going to change any of that.

CEOs have gone from making 10x the money an average worker makes to 1000x the money. Do you think they are that much more productive? Production has gone up steadily, as have profits, yet the working people get less and less of a share for more and more effort. Yet Bernie's progressive policies are going to hold people back. Do you know how many people I've see waste their lives believing if you do all the right things and work really hard that you'll make it someday only to have the carpet yanked out from beneath them? Or how many I've seen spend their lives waiting for their ship to come in and it never does?

90% of this country fights over scraps. SCRAPS. So I'm sorry if I struggle to feel bad when Bernie wants to right the ship at the expense of that top 10%, especially knowing they will still be extremely rich after it's all said and done. Am I supposed to care if a billionaire only has 6 billion instead of 10? Should I defend him and his ilk over a fantasy that maybe I'll be him one day when the odds of that happening are like hitting the lottery? GMAB.

I read every line of Swish's posts/replies on my original question. I just disagree with the logic behind the argument and the falsehoods they are based upon. I asked him because he understands the black community better than I ever will (and I try) and he crafted a couple of great posts with insightful answers. But the underlying logic based in historical context with unjust outcomes is nothing more than a metaphoric anchor and chain wrapped around the neck of his community tantamount to 'hopes and prayers' IMHO.

Well if you want to devolve into simply poking fun then keep up with the cheap one liners - but I thought Swish's post was well written and took time and effort and deserved a response more like your last post. There's many posters on here that like to challenge others - and when someone spells out a position they then post youtube clips or post inane one liners because they lack the ability to form an intelligent reply, prefer not to see you in that category.

Any of them can beat trump. So it’s just a wait and see game for me.

Please don't mistake my masterful quips for the one liners and regurgitated talking points the trolls drop around here. I put a lot of thought into my taunts and jabs.

Well then they should be much, much better.

Whilst I don't agree with everything Swish says in these various SC Primary posts, I think what he does say is very important to hear. Not just hear, but to LISTEN to.

I too knew Biden would win the SC primary. He is a known entity with decades of service and has a reputation with black communities. Being VP to Obama also helps. To be honest, I am actually surprised Sanders came 2nd. Especially as Warren was so far down (btw, Warren at this point needs to drop out as she is actually now doing harm to Sanders campaign).

I agree with Swish regarding white progressives and their "savior" attitudes. I wrote a lengthy paper about white liberalism and the damage it actually does. Don't get me wrong, it's not about liberalism being damaging it is the white progressive/liberal who pats themselves on the back for wokeness, yet still can't see their own implicit (and explicit) bias & privilege and when called on they retreat into white fragility and become defensive. I have cited this many times in here, but this is exactly the person Jordan Peele was pointing out in "Get Out", which many who went and saw it probably didn't realize they were the butt of his jokes. I cite this because even in pop culture, a big budget horror film, there are very deep, poignant social references that are much more important to digest and discuss than what initially meets the eye. And, it is who Swish is calling out in this forum.

All of that said, I am actually in support of Sanders. I don't believe he is acting as a savior nor do I think he falls in the category of many white liberals. I believe his eyes are opened and I believe he listens to voices, perspectives and stories rather than just his own or those who look like him. I have lived in several states, I have lived abroad for well over a decade, I have travelled and seen my country through and outsiders lens and I have seen other countries through an American lens. Ultimately, I guess I am not a fan of capitalism as I feel it is an inherently selfish system that is all about the dollar. And, unlike those who argue that Socialism will reward the lazy...I actually believe that Capitalism and peace (with exception to Pearl Harbor and 9/11 we have not had war on our shores since the Civil War) have made many Americans greedy, lazy and entitled. Europe too is becoming (or has become) entitled, however, remember that many European elderly were children during WW2 and they vividly remember instability, war & rationing. They raised their kids (Gen X) with this perspective who in return have raised their kids with a hint of it. Yes, it is being watered down and even forgotten today due to stability and wealth, but the link is much closer than it is in the States. And, yes, I get that there are many Europeans who are beginning to lean much further right than they have in the past due to xenophobia from immigration, the refugee crisis and overpopulation, but the basic desire to all pitch into a government that looks after its people with basic health care as well as education (inc its poor and its weak) is still there.

Swish, maybe you have said who you like, but I missed it....I know it is private, but can I ask who you are supporting in the Dem race?

Warren is my top choice. but as i've said before, I'm perfectly fine rolling with Bernie if he's the nominee, which it looks to be.

Warren for me is Bernie lite. not a mod, but not as far left as he is.

She is a 2nd choice for me. But, she lost badly in SC. I don't see how she has a chance at this point and ultimately she is hurting Bernie. Unless there is an amazing turnaround, Super Tuesday may well be the end of her campaign.

If it's anybody other than Sanders or Warren it will be Green Party for me. But, I don't live in a swing state so I can afford to do that.

yea she isnt gonna win the nomination.

so if its bernie then its bernie, and im cool with it. but im not gonna sing his praises non stop like he's a saint.

Never say never - Warren is my choice because I think she is probably the only one to consistently try to come up with solutions. I wish she wasn't so far left on healthcare. I still believe people should be able to have private coverage if they choose - and I think what she proposes doesn't (I could easily be wrong as until there is a nominee I am not going to spend a ton of time looking at every policy). She is also smart and feisty - she'd stand up to Trump a million times better in a confrontational debate. Biden isn't sharp enough or deft enough - we've seen him go from no comment on Hunter to angry old man on Hunter ... Trump will push his buttons all day and Biden will lose.

And the only people smart enough to get it all right are the Bernie Bros?

You may wish to think about your responses a little more.

well she's been walking back some of her stances as they are a bit left. but overall i think she lost her wave a few months ago. she had the momentum and for whatever reason lost it.

i dont want to vote for Biden at all. however, atleast on a debate stage, Biden would run circles around Trump.

i dunno if warren would even though she's far and a way a better than Trump. Bernie will run circles around trump in the debates.....but the way the country attacks him over being a socialist is already a toxic situation.

Nah, I'm good. Thanks for the Bernie Bro jab though.

And you pointed out the problem. Anyone can say what they like. It's not really Bernie or his policies that people like myself disagree with. What we disagree with is that you can get a self proclaimed Democratic Socialist elected in the United states. Combine that with him just having a heart attack and I think running him would be a recipe for disaster.

i agree. it is an uphill with bernie all the way.

and hey look, never say never cause damn near the entire country thought Trump would never be president, and look how that went.

never underestimate the power of a pissed off electorate. but for a LOT of people, Bernie comes off as trying to rip away what it means to be an american.

i know that isnt his intention, but he aint doing too good of a job directing people away from that notion.

Warren was on top in the progressive lane, taking support from Bernie. She started to fall when she started back peddling from the left and attacking him on the "a woman can't win" thing. I get she was pivoting to a more center/less left place and trying to take more support from him but it made her look bad to progressives who trust and like Bernie.

Liz would have had a much better run out of the gate if she had staked out that right of Bernie left of the rest position immediately. IMHO.

I hope Bernie selects her as a running mate. But she keeps going after him, so I'm not sure he will consider her now.

Bernie needs to have a running mate a bit more to the center to balance it out.

thats too left leaning on 1 ticket.

I won't say never. Anything is possible. What I'm the most concerned with is passing any meaningful legislation. The way our system is set up, every state gets two senators. With Bernie I feel you stand no chance of winning the senate due to those states in which they would never consider a Democrat for senate if Bernie is running for president.

While I know it sounds "too moderate and borderline conservative" to at least one certain poster, having a candidate that can help elect senators in those more leaning Republican states may help swing the senate votes in favor of Democrats.

Let's face it, if the Dems don't take the senate every proposal that will help everyone will be in gridlock and nothing will get done. That's not only my biggest fear, but to me it's the way you lose the war while winning the battle.

Progressive groups have been stressing down ballot since 2016. It's become daily reminder in progressive media and groups.

We'll see how that works for you. Or doesn't work as the case may be. You may wish to loo at where those candidates are being elected. Bernie will insure we lose the senate.

Let's say Bernie gets the nod, who would you like him to pick for his running mate?

Swish, same question.

Amy Klobuchar

It would help with the women's vote, the mid west vote and the moderate vote.

I've never thought that a vice presidential running mate actually swayed voters very much. But for those voters it would impact, she checks all the boxes.

I could live with that. Kamala Harris and Stacey Abrams are being pushed by some to be a VP pick, but I'm not keen on either of them because I think they would be toxic. I like Kamala but she seemed to have an issue with likability in her run. And there is something about Abrams I just don't like but can't put my finger on, haven't cared for her since her failed run for governor.

I really don't care who Bernie picks for running mate if it helps him win though.

Biden come out a few weeks ago saying he would be open to picking a republican. I see why but that would really turn me off. He's struggling mentally, can you imagine a republican as VP in those conditions? And unless he picked a Trump loyalist it's not going to have the uninting effect he thinks it would. Imagine him picking Romney. Nikki Haley would be his best bet if he were to do that, but I wouldn't trust her.

BREITBART



Pete Buttigieg to End Presidential Campaign

Democratic presidential candidate former South Bend, Indiana Mayor Pete Buttigieg speaks at his primary night watch party on February 11, 2020 in Nashua, New Hampshire. New Hampshire voters cast their ballots today in the first-in-the-nation presidential primary. (Photo by Win McNamee/Getty Images)

Joshua Caplan

1 Mar 2020


Former South Bend, Indian, Mayor Pete Buttigieg (D) is ending his presidential campaign on Sunday, following a disappointing finish in the South Carolina primary, according to reports.

Buttigieg, who met with former President Jimmy Carter in Georgia earlier Sunday, said he will make an announcement in South Bend at 8:30 p.m. instead of traveling to Texas, where he was scheduled to campaign for Super Tuesday.

“We are making a change in our travel plans and traveling to South Bend rather than to Texas. I’m gonna be making an announcement there about the future of the campaign,” he told reporters.


https://www.breitbart.com/2020-election/...8j1QOkMBx6-1LyA

Dunno just yet.

But corporate ken doll just dropped out.

Went from a massive wave to a wine cave to campaign in the grave.

Pete's time is coming. Just not 2020

Time for the Dems to end Bernie's run.

Everybody out of the pool!

Mayor Pete and Steyer voters will switch to Biden and Bloomy.
Biden or Bloomy will drop out after Super Tuesday as their voters will go to the survivor.

Bernie will fade.

He should run for Senate or Governor.

Maybe. But I would say both had some that will go to Bernie.

Are you predicting a re-pete?

Why do you make it seem so easy all the time