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Iowa OT Tristan Wirfs said he had similar session as Becton Tuesday with #Browns. Showed film, diagnose front, talk through what he saw

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Good news for the Browns...

The Tackle priority it is!

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Edit to add:

I wont be posting anymore in this forum regarding TG, to continue discussing - please see the thread in the other forum.

I hope we take three of them!!

As long as Wirfs falls and our intention is to put him at guard, I'm on board.

My thoughts were precisely along those lines... two tackles and one at guard. I don't care at all about who goes where, as long as it is the best lineup we can get.

*L* there better be a real good explanation as to why one of them is not on our team after the Draft.

I would be curious to see how our LT draft rankings play out for us and how the draft board falls the night of the draft. If there are a handful of LT we are fine with and have graded around the same, I would not be surprised to see us trade down a few positions, especially if there is a QB available and someone wants to make an offer we can't refuse.

However, if one grades above on beyond the rest and is available, I'd hope we take him.

Unless interviews reveal that the guy is a complete basket-case, I don't see how the Combine would affect his OT1 status.

Sometimes I make blank posts just to get in your head

Stefanski mentioned something along the lines of ability to move laterally as a focus on the OL in his system. It's something I'm going to focus on going back through game tapes and probably the combine drills.

Combined with some of Berry's comments, it makes me wonder if we might try to trade down from 10 and up from round 2 to get a couple guys like Jones and Jackson in the 20s.

With the dire need we have at OT, and having the draft pick to get it done ALONG WITH the draft class that matches our need and pick... trading down to draft a tackle REEEEEEKS of "I'm smarter than everyone". If they do that, they better know what they're doing.

..That's called " Haslam Ball" !

In the zone blocking scheme it even runs deeper than that but lateral movement is one of the key talents needed.

Or they are seeing that there are teams in front of them that could take the highly rated guys and there are other guys who might fit what they want to do pretty well (perhaps better than some of those talked about guys as lateral movement seems to be a weakness of a couple of them) but are likely to be available a bit later.

If the Giants, Cardinals, and Panthers take OTs before our pick, or someone like the Jets trade to get in front of us for one, the guys left might not be great fits.

I'm sure they'll run through a lot of different scenarios.

Trading down and still getting a guy they love could provide more overall value than just picking a guy that's been hyped and fans have seen in mock drafts.

Or we could take one of those lesser-hyped guys they like at 10.

They do have to do a good job of predicting what other teams will do.

As long as the value can actually answer the need at the position, that will be fine. Settling for less and failing would be a disaster.

Ah silly season is upon us.
Lateral movement,that's rich.If your LT can't stop that wild-eyed crazy SOB screaming off the edge,the only lateral movement of concern is the QB being placed on the gurney.
Lateral movemnet is important for the interior guys,as it is for all 32 NFL teams.

After Becton's combine interview, I'm cooling on him some. I'm kind of getting a bit of a Justin Gilbert vibe. Talented athlete, but something seems off. He's saying the "right" things, but his mention of his "passion" seems more coached than legitimate. Stepped it up in his "contract year", but will he maintain the effort once he's paid?

Could still work out great with him, but it's something I'd vet thoroughly.

The whole thing with Becton reminds me of the one guy we had here about 10 years ago; nickname was "Big Cakes" because of how he pancaked guys all the time.

Super big, tall, long, strong - had all the measurables, yet...

I wouldn't have a problem if Jones was our selection @10.

I see alot of good talent @OT, but I don't see a generational talent (I could be wrong) there.

There really isn't a lot of separation between the top 4-5 prospects imo.

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Sound the alarms......Depo has been spotted in Indy! mac was right, blow it all up.

I agree with that. We will just have to wait to see if it fails or not. We won't know that on draft night.


But you know the drill, it will be disaster if we trade up because the guy would have still been there at #10, or trade down because it will mean we get a lesser player, or if we stick, it will be disaster because we picked the wrong guy.

At least according to the usual suspects.

Sounds like we are absolutely awash with options.

Take your pick. Some of trading up and down stuff seems like drawing to an inside straight to me. But I would be willing to trade up for some mighty fine player, just because I am terminally optimistic. We do have some capital for one upper round splash.

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Berry Reiterates He's Going To Be Aggressive & Could Trade Up

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-brow...-Up--144312655/
INDIANAPOLIS -- Browns general manager Andrew Berry continues to insist that the Browns approach to the NFL Draft will be different under him than it might have been when he was here before under Sashi Brown.

The Browns are currently sitting with the tenth pick in the first round in the upcoming NFL Draft. Browns history with analytics would suggest Berry would be leading toward trading down.

However, in his introductory press conference, Berry said he would be aggressive in his approach to acquiring talent.

"I guess for me when I say aggressive it means a couple of things," he said at the NFL Combine. "From a macro perspective it means being deliberate of attacking every avenue of player acquisition. And the second piece is being aggressive in terms of retaining our core. Tangibly it can mean a couple different things. Do I trademark it, engaging with teams consistently, aggressively throughout the whole calendar year.

"In the free agency market it means being opportunistic," he said. "It may not mean that on the first day we’re going to be really, really heavy spenders every year. But if we do identify players that fill a need, fit the offensive or defensive profile on the field and fit the off-field profile, we’re not going to be afraid to strike. Contract, I may have touched on it a little bit before, being aggressive with pre-market extensions for our home-grown core. And then in the draft, being flexible to move up and down the board and positioning ourselves to acquire players that we’ve targeted throughout that process."

When Berry was one of the top personnel evaluators under Brown in 2016 and 2017, the Browns traded down three times in the first round of those drafts. That approach to the draft was driven by analytics with the idea to gather as many picks as possible, to have more chances to hit on more picks.

"We’re going to be flexible in that regard," Berry said. "Any strategic maneuver that allows us to reach our goals, acquire good players and the right people for our organization, we’re not going to be bound to be staying static, going down, going up. We’re going to do anything possible that allows us to improve the roster."

In 2016, the Browns had the second-overall pick and they passed on the chance to draft Carson Wentz and drafted Corey Coleman with the 15th overall pick. The Browns made two trades and picked up four extra picks.

In 2017, they drafted Myles Garrett with the first overall pick, but traded the 12th pick to the Texans, rather than drafting Deshaun Watson. With one of the picks, they drafted Jabrill Peppers at No. 25 and added a first-round pick in 2018.

Berry spent last season with Eagles' Howie Roseman, who is known as one of the most aggressive GM's in the NFL. At the NFL Combine, Berry was asked what he learned from Roseman. The first thing he mentioned was being aggressive.

"So three main things from Howie," he said. "No. 1, it's really being aggressive in every area of player acquisition, whether it's trade, the UFA market, obviously in the NFL draft. The second is the value in terms of getting to know your locker room at a personal level. And then the third is the difference in accumulating talent versus actually constructing the team, making sure you have the right mix of skill sets and people in the locker room that ultimately drive toward championship-level football."

Even though he said he wasn't looking to trade Odell Beckham Jr, Berry again pointed to his time under Roseman.

“I did work under probably the strongest wheeler-dealer in the league under Howie Roseman and it’s something that you always pick up the phone and you listen to anything across the table."

Berry's philosophy is in alignment with Browns Chief Strategy Officer Paul DePodesta. But he insisted trading up is also possible in his first time running the draft as he will have final say. The Browns did give up a fourth-round pick to move up a few spots to draft David Njoku in 2017 with the 29th overall pick in the first round.

Berry was asked on DePodesta's role in the draft.

"Paul’s very smart, great thought partner, has a ton of wisdom and he’ll certainly be incorporated into a lot of the big decisions that we do just because he has great insight," Berry said. "I want as many bright, good minds around me and he’ll certainly provide his perspective."

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Berry said all options are on the table with the draft.

"Philosophically I’m really down to acquiring the best players possible and the best fits for our organization," he said. "For me, not necessarily. For me, we’re going to be strategic and we’re going to be thoughtful with any decision that we would make on the board. That doesn’t mean it’s going to hamstring us just in moving one direction."

He is a stud and our nickel package would be nice.

I'm not sure how well our roster construction would balance under the cap once the secondary starts getting to second contracts, but purely on the field it sounds good.

He won't be available at 10.

I don't want to quote the entire article, but it was a good read. Maybe there is hope for the Browns under Berry...

I mentioned in another thread that I think he is a likeable guy who is very intelligent and has a great work ethic. I think he is the type of guy many young folks should try to emulate.

Hopefully, Berry will try to build the team instead of tearing it down.

He shouldn't be, but if teams trade up for QBs, who knows?

He could even be a trade up target perhaps.

I'm not saying I'd do that (not definitively saying I wouldn't, either), but it makes sense to look at different scenarios.

I thought this statement from AB was telling.

"And then the third is the difference in accumulating talent versus actually constructing the team, making sure you have the right mix of skill sets and people in the locker room that ultimately drive toward championship-level football"

Can we please stick to spelling out Berry? I don't want any Antonio Brown mojo anywhere near the Browns.

I do like the quote.

I'd second that. I remember wondering who the hell "KJ" was before I finally figured out it was Dorsey.

Albert Bell is our new GM?? Man, things happen quickly around here...

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I think we've got a winner for strangest quote from the combine.

Jerry Jones on signing Dez Bryant-I've thought a lot about it in the shower

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