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There was apparently a run on a Costco in Washington the other day, they were cleaned out of toilet paper!! Thankfully, as a single guy, I probably have enough in the house to last six months, lol! I'm married. I'll have to build a room addition.
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Also, seeing that there is in some areas a run on hand sanitizer, clorox and go try to find a 3M N95 mask. The company I work for..we make and print the flat metal that eventually becomes cans. One of our customers is Lysol..There is a big demand for Lysol spray cans.
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I will finally have a use for my Y2K Spam supplies! 
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Luckily I have a couple dozen masks in my workshop where wood dust can be an issue, if there is a need for them. Pretty much have a months worth of food all the time because we restock dry goods, canned goods, and meat about every two weeks. But things like bread, eggs, milk, TP, tissue, etc. could be an issue.
And I have a couple general doctors appoints coming up in two and four weeks, I wonder if I should go and risk exposure? I guess I'll wait and see what ohio reports are like then. It's not like the doctor's office or hospital will have signs posted warning you or telling you over the phone that they have patients with the virus.
And our granddaughter has a birthday party coming up mid month, we'll visit after because I'm not going to risk being in close proximity to 30 or 40 runny nosed kindergarteners! She invited her class and her 2nd grade brothers group of friends plus all my daughters friends with young kids... NOPE.
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I agree. Stay away from kids.
I love 'em, but they are breeding grounds.
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I will finally have a use for my Y2K Spam supplies! Just in time too since it has a 25 year shelf life! Spam chilli, spam casserole, spam tacos, spam and eggs, fried spam sandwiches, spam chef's salad, barbeque spam, spam avocado lettuce wraps, spam and veggie pitas/subs, spam and grits, spam and pineapple pizza, spam and waffles, spam and cheese on ritz, spam parm with alfredo sauce, spam stuffed chicken cordon bleu, baked spam nuggets, spam salad spread, and spam protein smoothies! Life is good in the fallout shelter. 
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Control what you can control. And, you can't control an airborne or saliva disease that is passed via sneezing or coughing. It it what it is. Keep calm, carry on.
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I will finally have a use for my Y2K Spam supplies! I have an Israeli Military Gas Mask that I bought from the internet during the post 911 hysteria. No that I thought I would need it. I just thought it would be a weird thing to own. Maybe it will come in handy now.
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Also, another fun fact I didn't know about and it should end up in the other thread-but for this discussion, if you are on medicines that you need-start looking to see if you can order 90 day supplies. The fun fact is that of all of the medicines that we are prescribed in the United States........... The Food and Drug Administration estimates that at least 80 percent of the active ingredients found in all of America's medicines come from abroad – primarily China. https://www.foxnews.com/us/america-dependent-china-medicines Damn! This and your following post make me raise my eyebrows. This sucks, but good information and thanks for posting.
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Life has to go on. And, it will.
Yup! Until it hits the state you live in, go about as normal. After it hits, continue to go about as normal, but be extra mindful of who you're around, washing hands, and not touching your face. Again, for masks... don't bother. Doubly so if you don't plan to enclose your eyeballs, too.
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Man, there have been a lot of great posts that have captivated me. Thanks everyone. I'm going to pass on this information to my family and friends.
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Also, another fun fact I didn't know about and it should end up in the other thread-but for this discussion, if you are on medicines that you need-start looking to see if you can order 90 day supplies. The fun fact is that of all of the medicines that we are prescribed in the United States........... The Food and Drug Administration estimates that at least 80 percent of the active ingredients found in all of America's medicines come from abroad – primarily China. https://www.foxnews.com/us/america-dependent-china-medicines Damn! This and your following post make me raise my eyebrows. This sucks, but good information and thanks for posting. Yeah, I saw last night that the FDA has been very proactive in reminding manufacturers of their apparent legal obligation to notify them of potential shortfalls of critical medicines and further asked them all to do a full review of their supply chains. The good news is that, so far, none of the expected active ingredient shortfalls are expected to impact anything critical. Took me a sec, but here is their update: https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/coronavirus-covid-19-supply-chain-update
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I just noticed that Germany has joined France at 130 cases! That is a huge jump, percentage-wise, in one day.
I fear that Europe is gonna blow up in an ugly way in the next week to two weeks.
If ever there was a tipping point... they're sitting on the pointiest part of it right now;and it might be too late.
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I came home with a case of coronas and I feel fine.
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If this story's findings is accurate, it's all but 100% guaranteed that we're in for a ride. In short, it finds through genome sequencing that it may have been spreading in the U.S. unchecked for up to six weeks, already. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/01/health/coronavirus-washington-spread.html?0p19G=2870
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I came home with a case of coronas and I feel fine.  I have this tonight because my Josef tore his acl. It is so strong it will probably kill all viruses as well.
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I came home with a case of coronas and I feel fine. You put the lime in the bottle and you drink them both together...
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People worrying about kids? If one really wants to worry perhaps look closer than some potential 6 year old coughing or sneezing on you. How many people touched your fruit or vegetables you just bought? How many people may have sneezed or coughed on them? Is washing them with your tap water going to get it off? Who knows.
What about door handles, Elevator buttons, shopping carts, ATMs, parking meters, the money you just received from either the ATM or as change from a store? Etc. etc.
Like I said...control what you can control and none of us have any control over this. It's kinda like earthquakes, tornados, floods, hurricanes and other acts of nature. It is what it is, but we can't live in fear.
Life continues.
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I came home with a case of coronas and I feel fine. I have this tonight because my Josef tore his acl. It is so strong it will probably kill all viruses as well. Cognac aged in bourbon barrels or Bourbon aged in cognac barrels?
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Also, another fun fact I didn't know about and it should end up in the other thread-but for this discussion, if you are on medicines that you need-start looking to see if you can order 90 day supplies. The fun fact is that of all of the medicines that we are prescribed in the United States........... The Food and Drug Administration estimates that at least 80 percent of the active ingredients found in all of America's medicines come from abroad – primarily China. https://www.foxnews.com/us/america-dependent-china-medicines Damn! This and your following post make me raise my eyebrows. This sucks, but good information and thanks for posting. You are welcome
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Another death tonight in Washington state.
5 new cases in California tonight-2 of them health care workers
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Can’t open the link without a subscription. Weird. I don't have a subscription and it opens for me. I'll try to copy/paste the article from my PC
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I came home with a case of coronas and I feel fine. I have this tonight because my Josef tore his acl. It is so strong it will probably kill all viruses as well. Cognac aged in bourbon barrels or Bourbon aged in cognac barrels? Bourbon in Cognac barrels.
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Coronavirus May Have Spread in U.S. for Weeks, Gene Sequencing Suggests
Two cases detected weeks apart in Washington State had genetic links, suggesting that many more people in the area may be infected.
By Sheri Fink and Mike Baker
March 1, 2020
Updated 8:07 p.m. ET
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Researchers who have examined the genomes of two coronavirus infections in Washington State say the similarities between the cases suggest that the virus may have been spreading in the state for weeks.
Washington had the United States’ first confirmed case of coronavirus, announced by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Jan. 20. Based on an analysis of the virus’s genetic sequence, another case that surfaced in the state and was announced on Friday probably was descended from that first case.
The two people live in the same county, but are not known to have had contact with one another, and the second case occurred well after the first would no longer be expected to be contagious. So the genetic findings suggest that the virus has been spreading through other people in the community for close to six weeks, according to one of the scientists who compared the sequences, Trevor Bedford, an associate professor at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center and the University of Washington.
Dr. Bedford said it was possible that the two cases could be unrelated, and had been introduced separately into the United States. But he said that was unlikely, however, because in both cases the virus contained a genetic variation that appears to be rare — it was found in only two of the 59 samples whose sequences have been shared from China, where the virus originated.
A scientist who was not involved in the analysis said he agreed with the conclusion that the second case was connected to the original Washington case. “I think he’s right,” said Andrew Rambaut, professor of molecular evolution at the University of Edinburgh, referring to Dr. Bedford. “It’s extremely unlikely that two viruses coming from outside the U.S.A. independently would arrive in the same geographical area and be genetically related unless they were connected.”
State and local health officials have been hamstrung in their ability to test widely for the coronavirus. Until very recently, the C.D.C. had insisted that only its test could be used, and only on patients who met specific criteria — those who had traveled to China within 14 days of developing symptoms or had contact with a known coronavirus case.
If the virus has been spreading undetected in Washington since mid-January, that could mean that anywhere from 150 to 1,500 people may have it, with about 300 to 500 people the most likely range, said Dr. Mike Famulare, a principal research scientist at the Institute for Disease Modeling in Bellevue, Wa., who performed the analysis. These people “have either been infected and recovered, or currently are infected now,” he said.
Many of those people would now be in the early stages of incubating the virus, and might not yet be contagious, Dr. Famulare said.
Dr. Famulare’s estimate was based on a simulation using what scientists have learned about the incubation period and transmissibility of the virus. He called his figures a “best guess, with broad uncertainty.” Another method, based on the size of the local population, the number of tests performed and the proportion of those that were positive, produced similar estimates of how widely the virus may have spread in the community.
The scientists immediately reported the genomic sequence and their findings to state and federal health officials.
Dr. Scott Lindquist, the state epidemiologist for communicable diseases with the Washington State Department of Health, said on Sunday that though Dr. Bedford’s laboratory had “very limited” data to work with, “I would not be surprised if there was transmission and these two were related.”
Dr. Lindquist said more would be known when genetic sequences from the state’s other cases have been similarly analyzed. “Seeing how they all relate to each other will be the real answer to the question of, has it been circulating,” he said. “I imagine within the week we should have some of these answers.”
Heather Thomas, a spokeswoman for the Snohomish Health District, said in a statement that the district was aware of the preliminary findings suggesting that coronavirus had been spreading for close to six weeks.
She said that it was important to remember that national testing capabilities have only been available for about six weeks, and in Washington, health personnel have only had the ability to test locally for a few days. “It is definitely possible that Covid-19 has been circulating, with people experiencing mild symptoms just like the flu,’’ she said.
The C.D.C. did not respond to a request for comment.
The first patient, a man in his 30s, has recovered after being treated in a hospital isolation unit. The later patient, a teenager, had a mild enough illness to recuperate at home.
According to a statement by the Snohomish Health District, the teenager was unaware that he was being tested for the coronavirus. His case came to light on Friday because he went to a clinic on Feb. 24 to be tested for the flu, and his sample was shared with the Seattle Flu Study, which tested it for a variety of pathogens including the new coronavirus.
Tests have been performed on about 1,000 samples from the study, Dr. Lindquist said, with only one positive result thus far. “So it’s not like it’s super prevalent,” he said of the virus.
“I do think, as more community cases start popping up in the United States, this approach and technique could prove very useful to figuring out the extent of community transmission we currently are having,” Dr. Bedford said of the genetic analysis.
Similar analyses have helped public health officials trace cases and fight outbreaks of Ebola in West Africa and the Democratic Republic of Congo.
On Saturday, local health officials in Seattle said that delays in being able to test for the virus had slowed identification of community cases, meaning those who did not travel to places with major outbreaks or have contact with known patients. “If we had the ability to test earlier, I’m sure we would have been able to identify patients earlier,” said Dr. Jeffrey Duchin, health officer for Seattle and King County.
Two more confirmed cases in the state were announced on Sunday.
The genomic technique used to compare the viruses is akin to constructing a family tree. “As a virus passes from person to person, there will be errors that occur” as copies of the virus are made, Dr. Bedford said. To explain, he compared the tiny mutations in the genetic sequence to mistakes made during a game of telephone. “Those can link up,” he said.
The first case had one genetic difference from the original virus that was detected in Wuhan. The new case had that mutation, plus three additional ones. More than 125 genomes derived from samples taken from coronavirus patients around the world have been shared among scientists thus far, providing data for the analysis.
In the first case in Washington, the man in his 30s had been traveling in Wuhan, China, and returned home to Snohomish County, Wash., on Jan. 15. He sought medical care a few days later after developing symptoms and suspecting that he might have the coronavirus, officials have said, and tests later came back positive.
Health officials then scrambled to retrace his history, tracking down eight people he had socialized with at a group lunch and 37 more who were in the clinic when he showed up for medical help. They also reached out to people on his flight back to the United States.
But as the man remained in hospital isolation, and then later returned home, officials reported no new cases in Washington state. They tested two dozen people over a span of five weeks, and all came back negative.
That changed this week, when the state laboratory became able to test for the virus. Officials reported two new confirmed cases Friday night, and then more, including the first patient to die of the virus in the United States. They are now working to trace how the cases in the state might be linked, and who else might have been exposed.
Two cases have been detected at a skilled nursing facility in Kirkland, Wash., where officials said dozens of other people also had symptoms that could be a sign of coronavirus infection but could also be symptoms of flu.
Gov. Jay Inslee of Washington has declared a state of emergency, and said officials may need to take steps like canceling sporting events and closing schools to slow the spread of the virus in the community.
Sheri Fink is a correspondent in the investigative unit. She won the 2010 Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Reporting and shared the 2015 Pulitzer Prize for International Reporting. She received her M.D. and Ph.D. from Stanford University.
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Global case count just jumped by like 2,000 in the last few hours to just over 89,000.
South Korea is now up over 4,200!!
The US is up to 87 cases. I think that is an increase of 15?
Two are in Florida at a hospital in the Sarasota area.
We might crack 100 in the next day or two.
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Good video. From Singapore's Health Minister...
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Very informative. Thank you!
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a crazy bit of a story from San Antonio. Apparently, a patient there was confirmed infected, quarantined, and treated. Eventually even passed two tests 24 hours apart to show he was clear and was released having met the criteria for release. He later came back and tested positive and is now back in quarantine linkedit: The U.S. got two more cases in the last hour.... up to 89.
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Some people have modeled the outbreak in Iran based on the number of cases coming out of Iran on flights: 18,300 cases Given that their reported number of deaths doesn't match the global death rate, it stands to reason that their number of cases is far greater than their official reporting. It has not yet been peer-reviewed, but the link is directly to the white paper. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.02.24.20027375v1
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Life has to go on. And, it will.
Yup! Until it hits the state you live in, go about as normal. After it hits, continue to go about as normal, but be extra mindful of who you're around, washing hands, and not touching your face. Again, for masks... don't bother. Doubly so if you don't plan to enclose your eyeballs, too. I read somewhere that masks are good for helping you keep from touching your face, so maybe they have some use. 
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!!! Warning Conspiracy Theory !!! Could the true spread of this virus not be just people, but could it be another source? Could it be some product that's been shipped out of China (Assuming we are confident that was the origin), water source, food source? Could we not be looking in the correct places for the spread of this, putting all our focus on people and not things? 
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A CDC lab is said to be under investigation after contamination fears, another sign the US botched its rollout of coronavirus testing kits https://www.yahoo.com/news/cdc-lab-atlanta-being-investigated-113925285.htmllets hope this isnt true, because if it is, we got some big freaking problems with how we manage pandemics.
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Wuhan hospital discharges last patient amid drop in virus casesThe city at the center of China's coronavirus epidemic has closed one of 16 hospitals built to respond to the illness after the medical facility discharged the last of its recovered patients. The closure of the hospital in Wuhan accompanied a steep drop in the number of cases of the virus in Hubei province, Chinese officials said, Reuters reported. “The rapid rising trend of virus cases in Wuhan has been controlled,” Mi Feng, a spokesman for China’s National Health Commission, told a briefing Monday. “Outbreaks in Hubei outside of Wuhan are curbed and provinces outside of Hubei are showing a positive trend.” The first cases of the virus were traced to a wildlife market in Wuhan. It has since spread to at least 53 countries, with more than 6,500 cases worldwide. The province reported 196 new infections on Sunday, marking the first time since January that the daily number was lower than 200. The number of new confirmed cases nationwide in China on Sunday was 202, the lowest since late January. The decline will open the door for a transition from “overall containment to targeted containment,” Mi said, according to Reuters. Wuhan’s Communist Party chief, Chen Yixin, projected the number of cases would soon drop to less than 100 per day. “The outbreak situation is under strong control,” he said. https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/48...-in-virus-cases
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OK, going to ask this here, because some of you seem to really be following this thing, and the media seems to "occasionally" over hype things. Some questions, myself and I'm sure many people would like just straight simple answers for. 1) What are the symptoms? 2) How do those differ from the regular flu, if at all? 3) What are the treatment options? 4) Does treatment require hospitalization, meds, etc? 5) What seems to be the average recovery time? Anyone else have any more to add, feel free.
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A daughter of friends went to Italy in early Jan. for a 5 month International Study/Culture program. She's a jr. in college. I believe there were about 250 students from the U.S. in this particular program.
It was cancelled. Students will be returned home due to the Covid virus.
Edited to add: Her parents aren't sure yet if she'll be quarantined or not.
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